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Imrix said:
"Uproot the entire shape of your society, and which you personally benefit enormously from and are commensurately invested in as the people on top of the system, because it offends me morally, or I shall invade you," is in no way at all 'some reasonable conditions'. The difference between that and asking for an unconditional surrender is, to the person receiving the demand, functionally nil.
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Changing the fine tuning, honestly. This is like asking the Mechanicus to institute basic OSHA guidelines and reasonable accommodations for the needs for their workers: They would absolutely fight it both because of a drop in efficiency going by the metrics they care about and because they enjoy their traditions but it wouldn't demolish their way of life if they had to institute such things. Mostly they'd be doing it because no man likes losing sovereignty that they have grown accustomed to.

Nobody is doing that because it would be a crippling fight but its comparable in my mind.

This might be heavy handed but, well, pretty much anything we do that doesn't leave them to their thing is going to be.
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TTS Custodes are tied to this event somehow.
 
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The point of issuing an ultimatum that you don't want your enemies to follow through on is to establish casus belli.

In essence, you are telling your enemy 'this is why I'm attacking you and this change is what will convince me to stop', which is significantly different from bombarding them from orbit unannounced.
 
[X] War
- [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Maugan Ra on Dec 7, 2023 at 6:07 AM, finished with 210 posts and 114 votes.
    • [X] War
      - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
      - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
      - [X] Have scientists immediately, before the ultimatum is even given, researching what can be done to help the people, whether there's a way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a replacement. Just as with the soil of your home, there must be a solution even if it is not perfect.
      ... and 10 more.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
      - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
      [X] Peace
      - [X] They are capable of throwing every single of those 50 billions into the grinder of war. Unsustainable attack vector if they are capable of quick war footing. But through peace we can destroy them. And quickly. We made them expand, we made them splatter their attention so wide, they would miss the gun if it was under their nose. And we can have time to prepare conditions for 50 billions to live as a free man.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Destruction. The Order offends you on a personal, moral level, and so it must be destroyed, torn out by the root so that no trace of it remains.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
      - [X] Scientists should make it a priority to immediately begin research in whether there's any way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a replacement. There must be a solution, just as with your home's soil, and you can wield both sword and plow at once.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Conquest. Galaspar has refused all possibility of peaceful unification, and so they will be brought into the fold by force.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Destruction. The Order offends you on a personal, moral level, and so it must be destroyed, torn out by the root so that no trace of it
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
      - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
      - [X] Have scientists immediately, before the ultimatum is even given, researching what can be done to help the people, whether there's a way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a rep
      - [X] Of Conquest. Galaspar has refused all possibility of peaceful unification, and so they will be brought into the fold by force.
      [X] War
      - [X] Of Conquest. Galaspar has refused all possibility of peaceful unification, and so they will be brought into the fold by force.
      - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
      - [X] Have scientists immediately, before the ultimatum is even given, researching what can be done to help the people, whether there's a way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a replacement. Just as with the soil of your home, there must be a solution even if it is not perfect.
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    • Can't wait to see how this plays out. It might be smooth sailing or a disaster, but it will be amazing either way.

    Also, it just occurred to me that it probably wasn't a coincidence that the Primarch who specialized in dealing with toxins had a drug infested population as his first compliance.
     
    [X] War
    - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
    - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
    - [X] Have scientists immediately, before the ultimatum is even given, researching what can be done to help the people, whether there's a way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a replacement. Just as with the soil of your home, there must be a solution even if it is not perfect.
     
    ShuTheDragon said:
    [X] War
    - [X] Of Liberation. You object to how the Order treats its subjects, and you have the might and self-proclaimed right to intervene on their behalf.
    - [X] Open with an ultimatum: if they end their system and work with the Imperium to reverse the damage it has caused, then they may enter its ranks peacefully. If they refuse, you will force them to do so.
    - [X] Have scientists immediately, before the ultimatum is even given, researching what can be done to help the people, whether there's a way to slowly wean them from the drugs or find a replacement. Just as with the soil of your home, there must be a solution even if it is not perfect.
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