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Son of Death (30k Mortarion Quest)

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[x] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
- [x] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?"

The only confront option I can tolerate. Might as well vote for it.
 
"Son, why did you create an empire within my empire where governors are democratically elected and xenos and humans are equal citizens?"

"To ensure integration and give the imperium good PR to potential new worlds."

"ah, how Swell! Carry on!"
 
[X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
-[X] No, there was a song, but then you did something and blocked it out. If it prevents this, Immaterium, from reaching you and I in this space, could that technique be used to deny w- psykers their connection needed to use their powers? Such a tool would be useful against any other Overlords out there that need to be killed.
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Based on what I'm seeing of this Emperor, I think Angron might have a happier time in this quest (or die with his gladiator brethren) based on some of the changes to the Crusade timetable and the Emperor himself. Have to wait and see
 
Might be too late to sway anything, but this is the more appealing argument IMO.

[X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
- [X] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least have the decency to acknowledge it. How would you call me your son and trust me with your armies if you disrespect me so?"
 
[X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
-[X] No, there was a song, but then you did something and blocked it out. If it prevents this, Immaterium, from reaching you and I in this space, could that technique be used to deny w- psykers their connection needed to use their powers? Such a tool would be useful against any other Overlords out there that need to be killed.
 
[x] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
- [x] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?"
 
[x] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
- [x] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?
 
[X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
-[X] No, there was a song, but then you did something and blocked it out. If it prevents this, Immaterium, from reaching you and I in this space, could that technique be used to deny w- psykers their connection needed to use their powers? Such a tool would be useful against any other Overlords out there that need to be killed.
 
Does this mean the emperor know nothing about Ullanor? Isn't that bad?
I thought that the emperor in the original timeline rush the crusade because the ork on Ullanor nearly grow into krork. Are we fighting Krork in this quest?
 
RBokenKSUTmob said:
Does this mean the emperor know nothing about Ullanor? Isn't that bad?
I thought that the emperor in the original timeline rush the crusade because the ork on Ullanor nearly grow into krork. Are we fighting Krork in this quest?
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none of these things are true cause in this quest there no grand threat the ork aren't about kill everyone or ascend, chaos does not have a grand plot, the galaxy as the emp advisor adidmited in the updoot is a big place where there plenty of peaceful civilzations chilling vibing with each other in no need of saving. the empoear is conquering the galaxy killing billions and more while doing it simply cause he a warlord and he wants too.
 
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Musings on the Krork
  • Apocrypha
    • Since it was brought up, and hey it's at least vaguely related in that it will inform my writings in this quest... my thoughts on the Krork!

    Summary: They suck.

    OK but seriously the Krork as presented in the setting of 40k are just... bad. They undermine a bunch of existing narratives, contradict existing lore, cheapen the Orks by proximity and for all of that aren't actually very interesting. They're just Necrons in green paint, all the way up to "the series ends on a cliffhanger as the Adeptus Mechanicus does deeply unwise things in pursuit of their technology". Throw them out wholesale. The setting and any given story will be better for it.

    Reasons for the above, presented in a handy little list:
    1. Orks can be scary on their own.
      1. Gazgkhull Thraka didn't need to be a super-special precursor ork to be a terrifying threat to the Imperium, he did that all by himself. It's important to remember that the Orks are more than just the larval form of the Krork, they're a galactic power in their own right, arguably the galactic power.
      2. Except now they're not. Now everyone talks about Thraka in terms of "how close is he to going Beast". Now his technological innovations and surprising tactical brilliance are worse than some bigger, badder greenskin did a few thousand years ago.
    2. The Krork contradict the basic idea of how Orks work.
      1. We know how Ork warlords arise and Waaaghs are formed. They are born through war and a series of early wins that snowballs horrendously. There are entire campaigns and narrative arcs based around Imperial and Aeldari forces intervening to quash the threat of incipient ork warlords before they can get going, and numerous examples of how badly it goes when they fail to do that.
      2. How do the Krork arise? Well if we judge by the Beast, an Ork sits around on a forgotten planet in some distant corner of the galaxy for a few years, then arbitrarily becomes a Krork and pulls a galaxy-threatening armada out of his fungoid arsehole. It is important to stress this part - the Beast did not arise from a preexisting ork empire left unattended, he was not forged in the fires of war, the Imperium was so dominant before he arose they genuinely considered Ork fighting something akin to pest control. Conquering Ullanor didn't even prevent the Krork arising on that same fucking planet.
    3. They're just Necrons.
      1. World-sized battle stations? Check. Strategic mobility via non-warp-based FTL? Check. Diplomats who present offers to surrender and die? Check. Ancient precursor race arising to reclaim its glory? Check. Heavy themes of cosmic horror? Check. Make the AdMech go gaga and possibly doom the galaxy? Check.
      2. Seriously if you have to include the Krork in the story don't just reskin the Necrons. Have some basic fucking creativity.

    So yeah. For the purposes of this quest and basically anything else I write, the Orks cannot become the Krork, because the Krork suck. They're terrible. Maybe they could be ok in some theoretical universe but in the one we have they're just a disappointment.
     
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    • Wait. I thought the Krok were just the original Orks from The War In Heaven? The ones who essentially were pumped full of Old One tech and manipulation.

    God that rewrite sucks. Thought the whole 'Beast' thing was just them giving a nickname to the biggest Warlord and even then it felt silly.
     
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    [x] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
    - [x] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?"
     
    A spicy meatball of a decision, regarding Krorks, but a correct one. Niches they tried to fill were already more than full.
     
    Robotninja said:
    There is a quest on SB that does the Krork right, but yeah canon Krork suck.
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    IMHO, TLN right here on SV does it better.

    Basically, Orks are feral kids who grew up with nothing but inbuilt instincts after the Krork were driven extinct, created their gods in their own image, and cannot become Krork. The only way to get new ones is if we crack Trazyn's collection open. And Orks are nowhere near the Krork level even in Beast mode, although the Twins did make them close to that in power by pumping out all the power they built up over their lives at a rate that made them run out in less than five centuries. The Krork themselves are a properly sane, quite tolerant race (ten percent of their territory are alien protectorates), if overmilitarized.
     
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    None of this actually changes the orkish threat much. It mostly just means they are going to just have gradual scaling rather than some threshold where everything goes off the rails. Large numbers of orks given time and conflict, even self generated, will eventually produce something you probably can't handle.

    That said I can only shrug in terms of the krork. They weren't something I in any way cared about one way or the other but they certainly weren't odious to me. I derived some appreciation for them when reading Age of Dusk back in the day. So, yeah, I shrug again.
     
    I haven't read the Beast series myself (partly because it sounds like garbage and I have Cain novels to get through), but from what I understand, the basic idea is that the Krork are the Orks are the absolute pinnacle of their technological and physical progress. They are intelligent, highly advanced, and their best warriors fight on the level of the primarchs.

    Now, at first glance, this isn't a terrible idea. Introduce a type of Ork so powerful that even Primarchs have trouble dealing with them, and leave it implied that the Orks used to be composed almost entirely of this one type of creature. You'd continue the running theme almost all factions in this game have of falling from once-great heights, and leave a monstrous threat in place for the Orks to perhaps rise up on occasion. The Orks remain their own comedic selves, but with this potential threat looming it's impossible to just ignore and laugh at them. They remain a threat.

    The problem is that by making the Orks high-tech and sophisticated you undermine everything that makes the Orks the Orks. Their entire aesthetic is based around slapdash scrap that they put together with spit, WAAAGH and duct tape, scrap that only works because they're too stupid to realize why it wouldn't. Like... the whole reason why the Orks make sense as a faction in the War in Heaven is that, unlike the Aeldari or the Necrons, they *aren't* advanced; they don't need sophisticated tech because they can turn a metal box into a working engine by writing "vroom vroom" on it. Any battlefield where the Eldar's small numbers, specialized infantry and powerful technological advantage won't work, you bring in the orks.

    Take that away and, like Maugan said, all you have are Necrons with green skin instead of green weapons.

    What might've been interesting would've been if the Krork were Orks who are aware of the fact that the universe bends to their whim so long as enough Kr/Orks believe it works that way, so they just tell all of their subordinates stupid shit to make their war machine as effective as possible. Or perhaps they're aware that they can do that but other species can't and so they build their strategies around that instead of looking for the best fight. Or set up scenarios to create new ridiculous beliefs to help their kr/orks specialize. You keep everything that makes the Orks the Orks, but you put someone in the driver's seat.

    Which has its own problems (primarily it's less funny) but it's at least a start.
     
    [X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
    -[X] No, there was a song, but then you did something and blocked it out. If it prevents this, Immaterium, from reaching you and I in this space, could that technique be used to deny w- psykers their connection needed to use their powers? Such a tool would be useful against any other Overlords out there that need to be killed.
     
    [X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
    -[X] No, there was a song, but then you did something and blocked it out. If it prevents this, Immaterium, from reaching you and I in this space, could that technique be used to deny w- psykers their connection needed to use their powers? Such a tool would be useful against any other Overlords out there that need to be killed.
     
    [X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
    - [X] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?"
     
    [X] Confront the Emperor. The song was real, brief though it was, and you will not demean yourself by pretending otherwise. You will have answers.
    - [X] "I understand the need for secrets, however... if you wish to withhold information from me, at least acknowledge the obvious. How would you call me your son and have me lead your armies if there's so little trust between us?"
     
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