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hugh_donnetono said:
@Kingster - has that newbie town vibe, but also many have pointed out some pretty good points as to why the things he's done have been sus. null.
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I'm fairly certain I am the only one who has pointed out the suspicious things about Kingster, before it got debunked by Seven.

Who else pointed out scummy stuff from Kingster? When I pushed him, everyone had him at either null or at townlean.
 
Legacy: -Rosen

Just in case, since I don't know where the votes are going in the next couple of minutes, but it is an EoD that'll matter at least.
 
Zone Q11 said:
I'm fairly certain I am the only one who has pointed out the suspicious things about Kingster, before it got debunked by Seven.

Who else pointed out scummy stuff from Kingster? When I pushed him, everyone had him at either null or at townlean.
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Fair enough! That was all super quick top of my head stuff, I guess your sheer persistence got me remembering there being multiple people on kingster's case 😅
 
Day 1 shenanigans:
Shalmoa said:
When I said both, I meant both "I think Zaea is town" and "I would die if I tried to vote Zaea". That said, if you want to vote Shadell, I'll self-pres there.
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hugh_donnetono said:
I mean like, same, but you said you'd claim if you were still in the lead and while I don't sus you hard enough to keep voting on you even when it would guarantee my death, I absolutely sus you enough that I think a role claim would be nice :V
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Self Preservation/Pivot agreement.
Shalmoa said:
Oh there's a whole barrel of wine associated with that! Me asking for your vote is kinda scummy, but you trying to eek out role info like this is pretty bad too. :V
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hugh_donnetono said:
:V
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hugh_donnetono said:
Lesse, Shal and I are tunneling eachother, ih nulled to avoid the three-way tie so it's currently me-shadell tie, rosen and q11 have some arguments for yeeting her that I am null on
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hugh_donnetono said:
Anyway, less than five minutes left so

[x] Vote Shadell

Entirely self preservation. I'm basically null on Shadell - as -Rosen said, I think I've been tunneling on Shalmoa a bit too hard today and haven't really developed other reads (which, by the by, was exactly what the quick-back-off on boohoo was meant to avoid 😂 😂 😂 ), but other people's arguments on her are interesting enough that her flip should at least reveal something regardless of what it is. Would have preferred to get some hard info out of my actual sus read, but I don't like Shadell so much that I'm willing to die to save her :V
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Shalmoa said:
Self-preservation and minimizing vote shenanigans:
[x] Vote Shadell
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Day 1 Shenanigans above ^

Shalmoa said:
#402 :: hugh_donnetono :: Shalmoa [1] => Shadell [4] -- Self-pres.
#404 :: Kingster :: hugh_donnetono [3] => Shadell [5] -- Gut-feel, still sus of me, less sus of hugh now.
#406 :: Shalmoa :: hugh_donnetono [2] => Shadell [6] -- Self-pres, preventing vote shenanigans in one direction, allowing them in another.
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How Shalmoa describes it. Just Self Pres, no mention of the deal.

Day 2 Shenanigans below. V
hugh_donnetono said:
hm....

[x] Vote -Rosen

@-Rosen ping for curtesy
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Naked vote.
hugh_donnetono said:
Oh was the question "why did you vote me?" I thought it was "why did you ping me?" XD

Anyway I was gonna hold off explaining until I got some interesting reactions but if you're gonna go so far so quick then... honestly I guess I kinda already have! XD

Basically...



I had this gut feeling through a lot of day d1 that you might be allied with shalmoa (who, of course, I was pretty sure was scum for a while)? Mostly because of how you interacted with The D1 Shalmoa Thing, I remember it feeling vaguely like you were simultaneously egging it on while keeping your distance I think? I'm just going off of memory, though; I can't be assed to do a full review with two hours left in the day. That kind of evaporated when you started hard pushing shalmoa, but then the refusal to even entertain the notion that he might be town long enough to consider what we should do next if we vote him and he is, which I think is kinda weird even if you're like 100% sure he's scum, that made me think: "hey wait a minute. if -rosen's scum and shalmoa's town, that would explain both of those things, wouldn't it...? 👀". It's not the highest-percentage scenario but it feels plausible enough that I figured it would be good to poke it a little. The naked vote was to see how people would react, sorry if it came across way scummier than I thought it would. 😅

If I may ask, what is it that makes you call a vote like the one I put down "Blatantly Scummy"?
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At this point it's explained why it's scummy and said that the plan involving voting Rosen is gone. The vote remains.
Shalmoa said:
Still haven't seen any evaluation of that town!Shal world. I'm just feeling like I'm getting a fairer shot from Nictis and Cyricubed at this point, and I'm inclined to see where this goes.

[x] Vote -Rosen

Also I think the S/S read with Nictis is still relying on a particularly fancy world that shouldn't really make any sense if the context of D2 is actually given any credit.
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Shalmoa's vote.

How I feel about the situation:
Nictis said:
or they're both scum and doing a strange kind of performance where they pivot out at the last moment while still getting credit if the other dies.
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Ah, yes. EOD2, AKA EOD1: Electric Boogaloo.

Except I am awake at 02:49 AM for no reasons whatsoever other than looking forward for the CFD target to be me.
 
I accidentally deleted some of my comments apparently. The pacman stuff seems overly friendly and your explanation of the situation to IH doesn't feed into the both of you pivoting to kill Shadell for reasons unclear to me.
 
Writing as I go so if things feel disjointed that's why. Don't have time to cook and give a full revaluation of eveyrthing

Shalmoa said:
How does the house of cards fall for you if I'm scum? Or if I'm town? Who do you think people need to push next in those two scenarios?
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Scum- Hugh could still be scum and raises probability. It leaves Nictis as a more defined town read and from there I look to who interacted with your wagons and how. -Rosen becomes a point of concern for distancing
Town- Hugh not absolved by your flip, but it makes Nictis less towny and gives net equity to rosen and anyone who stayed away from the wagon. Reasons for following said wagon

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[X] Vote Hugh-Donnettono

That vote and chaos-gremlin energy afterwards feels really forced. Not sure whats going on here but I do not like. expect the X to go out if things actually progress there in a positive direction

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hugh_donnetono said:
I mean, I suppose the question is "Why is a naked vote so scummy?" then? I mean I'm 99% sure Nictis has done way worse as town, at least XD
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This is a bad response and one I dislike greatly, It's not the act of a naked vote but rather the context and timing.

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Newbie scum tend to be more close to the chest and clarify things with their scummates before answering in thread. This is an example of many of his posts to me that don't seem like he is doing that. Like he's just openly saying things that come to his mind. The word that's used for this is coming to my mind at the moment but it's akin to being "alone."

To answer your later question on why you should be taking newbiness into account, because that's like a feature that's going to factor into how a person plays. I have had this discussion many times, you can't just use broad "if Player does action X, then Player is scum." You have to take individual differences, culture, meta, and circumstances into account. Read the player, not the behavior. It's similar to how people have responded to my prods of Zae and Scia. They've exhibited behavior that is superficially scummy, but if that's an established part of their meta, then they are null points and so I should read them by other means.
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THISSSS Yes this! I was struggling to find the right words when I was focused earlier but this fits what I wanted to say in the hole.

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I'm pretty sure I'm listing in culture clash land with Q11 but I also feel they're pursuing LHF very fragently. @Zone Q11 I'd like to see thoughts from you D3 about other people around King and what their flip would say. No time to today

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Aughh hughs last post was fine on reasoning so now confused
 
Like I still feel it was forced and shal's posts today have been decent enough that I feel they're not the right post
 
Nictis said:
I accidentally deleted some of my comments apparently. The pacman stuff seems overly friendly and your explanation of the situation to IH doesn't feed into the both of you pivoting to kill Shadell for reasons unclear to me.
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that pivot was under duress nic it was that or I die

Cyricubed said:
This is a bad response and one I dislike greatly, It's not the act of a naked vote but rather the context and timing.
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I asked why it was bad, he said "because it was a naked vote," I then asked "why is a naked vote bad", how is that bad
 
[x] Vote hugh_donnetono

hugh's on my list of acceptable targets, and I'd prefer not to die. I think this is one of the weaker votes that has a real chance of actually hitting scum, but I'll take a low info correct elim over a high info miselim given the chance.
 
Cooking so I'm gonna leave vote as stands

Legacy: Scumread-Shal
Town Read: Nemo
 
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