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Kingster said:
You mean majority for now? Then Yeah, it is scary, 8 votes and someone goes to the chopping block.

Also just curious, but why vote for Rosen? Was it at random or is there a reason?
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You say it is scary, but how come you did not move your vote away from Rosen, when you don't even know why people are voting Rosen?
Scia said:
going with
[x]Sleep
for a moment to reduce the hammer chances etc, even if it would be somewhat surpirsing but then Hammer as a regular day feature was not part of the last 5+ mafia games that I played here on SV , so the usual reflex to go for the meme votes today is contraproductive.
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That's cool and all, but how come you haven't moved this vote in 60+ hours? If you have made any new reads within that time, then you are basically not pushing your scumreads, assuming you even have one.

Why is that, if I may ask?
Zaealix said:
[X]Null.
Alright hammer is active and Rosen's at least said something so I guess I'll back off and think a bit more on how to develop this landscape.
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Eh. I'm willing to bet this is town.

Mainly because of my biased view where everybody else from Rosen's wagon (other than Shalmoa, Scia, and Nictis) does a literal nothing with their votes after understanding that Majority is a thing.

Kingster/Shadell/Boohoo
I want these three to get checked N1.
 
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Zone Q11 said:
You say it is scary, but how come you did not move your vote away from Rosen, when you don't even know why people are voting Rosen?

That's cool and all, but how come you haven't moved this vote in 60+ hours? If you have made any new reads within that time, then you are basically not pushing your scumreads, assuming you even have one.

Why is that, if I may ask?

Eh. I'm willing to bet this is town.

Mainly because of my biased view where everybody else from Rosen's wagon (other than Shalmoa, Scia, and Nictis) does a literal nothing with their votes after understanding that Majority is a thing.

Kingster/Shadell/Boohoo
I want these three to get checked N1.
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What are you talking about? I voted for Shalmoa, I never have voted for Rosen I never Chi mages my vote since the first hours?
Seriously where are you seeing the votes?
 
appearently i never hit post on this while i went to lunch/the gym

[x] vote Hugh_donnetono
 
Kingster said:
I never voted for Rosen, I was against that, because Shalmoa started the chain I voted for Shalmoa.
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Oh. You're right. I'm blinded by the Rosen wagon that I didn't even check my quotes.
My bad.
Zone Q11 said:
Kingster/Shadell/Boohoo
I want these three to get checked N1.
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Remove Kingster because I have misunderstood him.
Dunno about Seven now that Boohoo is not here. Investigatives, do as you wish.

I am only at P#100 at this point, and so far I only want Shadell gone.
 
Zone Q11 said:
Oh. You're right. I'm blinded by the Rosen wagon that I didn't even check my quotes.
My bad.

Remove Kingster because I have misunderstood him.
Dunno about Seven now that Boohoo is not here. Investigatives, do as you wish.

I am only at P#100 at this point, and so far I only want Shadell gone.
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No problem. Also what does checked N1 mean? Do you mean Night 1? Still new with these terms.

Also changing my vote before I forget

[X] Vote Hugh_donnetono
 
Kingster said:
Also what does checked N1 mean? Do you mean Night 1? Still new with these terms.
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Yeah. N1 stands for Night 1.
In case I have to explain this as well: If there is an Alignment Cop in the game, then I want them to visit Shadell on N1.

They don't have to listen to me, but I am just putting the thought out there that -in case I die N1- I want people to look at Shadell.
Again: They really don't have to listen to me. I am still catching up to the game, currently reading Page 5.
Shalmoa said:
Very much so, also just got replaced out.
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Mmnh. Hugh's interaction with Boohoo strikes me off as odd. Hugh voted Boohoo because he joined Rosen's wagon last. Boohoo explained "he didn't know what was going on", and Hugh let Boohoo off the hook just like that.

If it was me, I would question how a newbie would know how to vote in the first place. My homesite is known to be a site for readers, and yet nobody reads the OP there.

Suppose all he did was copy/paste what others were saying: Would a newbie truly vote someone with empty thoughts?

I don't get it. Why did Hugh let Boohoo off the hook so easily...? @Shalmoa, is Hugh well-known to be a lenient person towards newbies?
 
Zone Q11 said:
Okay, let's see what happened:
  • Shalmoa RVS
  • Nictis with the follow-up
  • Zaealix looking like a newbie, joining the wagon even though he didn't have to
  • Scia wanting to vote Nictis for a change, but the vote somehow got counted as a vote for Rosen
  • Kingster literally adding more fuel to the fire without any reason whatsoever
  • Shadell putting zero effort in hopping into the wagon
  • Boohoo the 3rd hops on the wagon with a naked vote

...guys. This game is a 14'er. I expect three (at most four) mafia, and yet we have exacty four people who unjustly hopped into Rosen's wagon with literally no reasons:
Zaealix/Kingster/Shadell/Boohoo

Unless someone's telling me this is the exact scumteam, then the average town is willaging SO HARD in this game.

@Shalmoa, you seem to know Shadell way better than I do: Do you honestly think that v!Shadell would open this thread, look at the wagon that pops out of nowhere, and say "seems legit" before joining the wagon?
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Myself and Shalmoa voted at the same time at the start of the Day, Scia had proxy voted with me when intending to vote me but later switched to not voting to lower hammer and has been low activity since with a total of 6 posts, Shadell has allowed the pressure vote to remain iirc but has been questioning Shalmoa on Hugh while explaining why they might null off of the Rosen vote later. Boohoo to my understanding is on their first game and is subbing out anyways so there's not much we can really do to interact with the slot.

Also, willaging? V!Shadell?

Zone Q11 said:
That's cool and all, but how come you haven't moved this vote in 60+ hours? If you have made any new reads within that time, then you are basically not pushing your scumreads, assuming you even have one.

Why is that, if I may ask?
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Scia is usually really low activity, but still. The above 100%. @Scia
 
Zone Q11 said:
I don't get it. Why did Hugh let Boohoo off the hook so easily...? @Shalmoa, is Hugh well-known to be a lenient person towards newbies?
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I can see reasons for hugh to be lenient towards newbies, but the oddity of that interaction is part of my case that "hugh isn't doing any hunting", which is why I'm also voting him atm.

I'd rate it as not very alignment indicative, but less indicative of town!hugh than scum!hugh?
 
Zone Q11 said:
Mainly because of my biased view where everybody else from Rosen's wagon (other than Shalmoa, Scia, and Nictis) does a literal nothing with their votes after understanding that Majority is a thing.
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Why would I? In the timeframe I was available it was already down to 2. No real need to shift off at that point, and with the meme broken an obvious jump on the hammer would just clear town anyway.

Like, I misunderstood the rules and jumped on a meme vote. If you want me out, actually engage with any of my other posts.


Zone Q11 said:
In case I have to explain this as well: If there is an Alignment Cop in the game, then I want them to visit Shadell on N1.

They don't have to listen to me, but I am just putting the thought out there that -in case I die N1- I want people to look at Shadell.
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This, otoh, is pretty massive scum equity from me. Directing town night actions while claiming plausible deniability of "don't actually listen to me, I haven't read any of her other posts" strikes me as incredibly scummy tbh.

I'm not inclined to vote someone who just swapped in and isn't caught up, but that's he only thing keeping me from pushing you atm.
 
Zone Q11 said:
I don't get it. Why did Hugh let Boohoo off the hook so easily...? @Shalmoa, is Hugh well-known to be a lenient person towards newbies?
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We usually extend leniency to new people/people who have been killed first cycle a lot. Mainly just because we'll get like one or two new people in a game and we're a small community that can't run multiple games at the same time. That being said, we have a high enough density of new folks that I'm skipping that right now.
 
Shadell said:
This, otoh, is pretty massive scum equity from me. Directing town night actions while claiming plausible deniability of "don't actually listen to me, I haven't read any of her other posts" strikes me as incredibly scummy tbh.
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Honestly the whole paranoia around directing night actions has always bothered me, but I don't think the last 3 hours of the day is a good time to start a philosophical debate over it. Just want to make a note of it if someone wants to bother me tomorrow or post-game about it.
 
hugh_donnetono said:
well here's a hot take for ya, you tell me if it's productive or not:

[x] Vote Boohoo the 3rd

Putting the sixth consecutive vote on someone an hour into day 1 when hammer is eight votes is already pretty bad; doing so half an hour after someone had explicitly pointed it out is worse. It is also, however, extremely funny. :V I think I know boohoo decently well, and I can totally see this just being her going along with a gag for funnies without thinking about it, but I can also totally see this being scum!her trying to rush things into a town elim before anyone notices. :V

@Boohoo the 3rd any thoughts?
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Looking back, I think this initial reasoning is kind of wack. This does not look like 'trying to rush things into a town elim'; no follow up was to be seen. If you in fact could totally see this as boohoo trying to rush a town elim, can you speculate on how exactly they were trying to do this?
 
Nictis said:
Scia had proxy voted with me when intending to vote me but later switched to not voting to lower hammer and has been low activity since with a total of 6 posts
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Lynch her D2 if she keeps slanking. D1 has a total of 72 hours including a couple replacements. Slanking should not be a thing at all in this game.
Nictis said:
Shadell has allowed the pressure vote to remain iirc but has been questioning Shalmoa on Hugh while explaining why they might null off of the Rosen vote later
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I need more context. @Shadell, why did you stay on Rosen's wagon?
Nictis said:
Also, willaging? V!Shadell?
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I didn't get the memo that you guys aren't used to playing without Majority, so people (especially town) ganging up on Rosen is the equivalent to willaging to me.

...in case I misunderstood your post and you wanted to ask me what these terms mean:
  • Willaging = Villager / Town acting Wolfy / Scummy
  • v!Player / w!Player = Player when they play as villager / wolf
OriginalName said:
I'm going to answer because I'm here, yes; but most of us are.
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Shalmoa said:
I can see reasons for hugh to be lenient towards newbies, but the oddity of that interaction is part of my case that "hugh isn't doing any hunting", which is why I'm also voting him atm.

I'd rate it as not very alignment indicative, but less indicative of town!hugh than scum!hugh?
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Nictis said:
We usually extend leniency to new people/people who have been killed first cycle a lot. Mainly just because we'll get like one or two new people in a game and we're a small community that can't run multiple games at the same time. That being said, we have a high enough density of new folks that I'm skipping that right now.
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Wow, uh... I understand Nictis' answer, and where I come from, most players are also very lenient on newbies, but I just couldn't believe the same thing is happening here.

I am flabbergasted. I thought my homesite was the only place filled with uh... "kind-hearted souls" except for me.
Shadell said:
This, otoh, is pretty massive scum equity from me. Directing town night actions while claiming plausible deniability of "don't actually listen to me, I haven't read any of her other posts" strikes me as incredibly scummy tbh.

I'm not inclined to vote someone who just swapped in and isn't caught up, but that's he only thing keeping me from pushing you atm.
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Shadell said:
Likewise deferring to Shalmoa specifically on individual reads and lining up there is simply not a very towny look imo, the most obvious reasons for that simply lean scum fairly hard.
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[X] Shadell

Don't even bother hiding behind excuses. Remove the safety wheels and just hit me with all you got, because otherwise I will hunt you down.

Your personal read on me is fine, but ultimately wrong. Nothing I can do to convince you out of this: You just have to get to know me mid-game.

Me constantly asking for Shalmoa's help is my personal best choice to avoid backreading because I'm a lazy player. (Having said that, this game's D1 output is so low that I'm actually backreading. :rofl:)
 
Fair enough. Likewise it's not just the direction but a very careful framing of it. That is, having read through #100, exactly a page before I respond, a very hedged call to have me investigated.

I do think directing night actions is quite possibly stylistic, though I tend to find it somewhat scummy. "Investigate this person or not I might be wrong and know nothing" framed as having seen exactly the specific page before I engaged with those points strikes me as the most suspicious thing I've seen D1 so far.

Likewise, asking for clarification is not, in and of itself, an issue with a timeframe this tight especially. Rather, continuing to address questions specifically at Shalmoa (instead of to the general audience who's just as likely to know) smells of an attempt at well, pretty crass manipulation of one of a few varieties to me.

That is, it's a very specific arrangement of claims that looks like it has a lot more upsides for scum than town to me.

Anyway, I don't have a great read anywhere else, and since you've said not to give you time to actually catch up, not sure what else to do here really beyond

[x] Vote Zone Q11

Zone Q11 said:
I need more context. @Shadell, why did you stay on Rosen's wagon?
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To quote myself:

Shadell said:
Clearly, if 6 people thought -Rosen was sus, there must be something there! Where there's smoke there's fire.

More seriously, there's no danger of a hammer. TBH, I didn't actually read the rules properly to realize hammer was a thing. By the time I noticed, the vote was down to what it is now, so, well, no real issue not changing and no clear suspicions yet. I can null, and with hammer that's not a bad idea entirely if getting a sane vote is the goal, but I don't think that last part is necessarily good.

That said, tbh, if someone did push hammer D1 to kill a vet in the first hour of posting, after the rules were clarified, it would probably lead to a very early town win imo. From that perspective, once it's clearly pointed out in thread, I think there's relatively little reason to change. Flirting with disaster strikes me as quite potentially productive in a way memes aren't.
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That is, town accidentally hammering -Rosen would have demonstrably been possible at that first push. People jumping on the meme after the issue was pointed out would only be wolves, and it'd be one of the most obvious scumplays imaginable with numbers that'd likely require multiple scum jumping on. A bad hammer that ends up obviously outing half the scum team strike me as a good hypothetical trade, so there was no real reason to swap once the thread was aware.

Particularly when others did already swap off and that wasn't even really in the cards anymore, much less a genuine accidental hammer.
 
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