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My vote is parked at this point. That is easily the most scummy thing I can think of you doing right now, which is impressive given that my current capabilities is being able to think of at most two things at once! :V
 
It turns out that I am a vanilla townie, and I'll just claim that outright. My opinion on vanilla townie is that it is a role where you can use your voice to try and establish things in the thread. I attempted to use that to get something out of Day 1, and now you're coming up with shittiest possible explanation for my play I could stand.

So yeah, either see if town is up for getting me out, flipping me pointlessly as I played my role in a very specific way because it's a role where I am free to play that role in a very specific way.

Feel free to accuse me of being a suspiciously convenient executioner which just so happens to be on the pairing that you want in a game that has a pretty low likelihood of even having a town-hostile third party that can ally with scum, considering that that'd be 10v4 and we're down 2 townies (soon to be 3).
 
Funnily enough I just had to check my assumption because I thought I remembered, for some reason, the GM stating that there was 1 scum for every 5 town. Which isn't the case as far as I can find, but it's kinda funny that I had to check that thought and you're certain that there are exactly three mafia and no hostile 3Ps.
 
But I am honestly tired of getting suspected for being playing any role that requires any sort of specific, scummy long-term strategy so shittily.

I've played ToS. I've played Among Us. I've played social deception games with everyone. I've lied to people online in meaningful contexts on rare occasions.

I'm totally capable of being more intelligent about doing an exe play than saying "Hey hugh, here's this incredibly suspicious looking question that -Rosen and Nictis are never going to buy into, let me try and get some cheap votes off of it". Than saying to Kingster "hey, could you explain why not this vote when, in context, you can obviously rephrase hugh's post in a way that seems pretty weird. Why are you ignoring that?"
 
Nictis said:
Funnily enough I just had to check my assumption because I thought I remembered, for some reason, the GM stating that there was 1 scum for every 5 town. Which isn't the case as far as I can find, but it's kinda funny that I had to check that thought and you're certain that there are exactly three mafia and no hostile 3Ps.
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Dude, Nictis

I've been playing since Archturtle.

I know how balance fucking works.

I also know this is a more traditionally styled game, since I'm actually vanilla.

Of course there's 3 mafia. Maybe, somehow, we'll get lucky and there's two. There probably isn't an SK. There probably isn't an Arso. Ergo, there's probably not even a TH!3P.

You wanna blame me for making assumptions when all I do is read the magic 8-ball and say people are probably town or scum? Assumptions are my life.
 
As far as these theatrics go, they're going to force you to commit to killing me, or someone else is going to come along and say "Dude, Shalmoa's obviously town what the fuck are you all doing?" I don't really care which, so long as I can do so while giving town a chance to win. And at the moment, I'm judging my continued presence here as an active detriment to town because I'm sorta completely tilted and I don't give a fuck about info sec right now because all of the people I trusted to have some chance of reading my D1 the way I intended it to be read are scumreading me. So let's just kill me, you can all re-calibrate, and also anyone who does vote for me on shaky grounds has had to commit to voting me on shaky grounds.

And at this point, I can definitely try to make the ground pretty shaky. So that's what I'll do.
 
Meanwhile, I'm still going to ask Nemo to commit to pushing somewhere, since she spent most of D1 doing nothing of that sort.
 
Honestly, don't take the shit I'm saying too personally right now. I'm sick from COVID and giving the best thoughts I can when I can't focus enough on the game to even finish rereading a short Day 1. I'm largely going by memory and don't remember you getting any kind of insight into Hugh's thought processes and naturally find it suspicious when your response to me pointing out a possible Executioner play as me being scum teamed with the person I am saying you are targeting.

I'm mostly trying to fill post count and still give my thoughts since we've already had like 5 replacements or something.
 
Nictis said:
I'm largely going by memory and don't remember you getting any kind of insight into Hugh's thought processes and naturally find it suspicious when your response to me pointing out a possible Executioner play as me being scum teamed with the person I am saying you are targeting.
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Shalmoa said:
If I were to develop a hugh case right now, it'd be something along the lines of:
- hugh is present, accounted for, and on top of things.
- hugh is not pushing people besides a very light and very quickly abandoned push on Boohoo the 3rd. No pushing on any of the other low-activity players, no counter-pushing on me for having a wild-ass hot take, no clear development on reads besides asking you (Nemo) to look at my play some.
- hugh does have enough experience to know how to at least pretend to hunt, and honestly I've liked the quality of hugh's play -- so I'm not willing to give him a pass as a bad, inexperienced, or low-social player, because he isn't any of these things.
- hugh clearly has thought through at least a read on my shenanigans, but has not, to my knowledge, clarified that read in any way in the thread.

So in short, hugh is in a position where I think he should be trying to either defend, interrogate, or kill me, and he's not really doing any of these things. Thus, I don't think hugh is trying to solve the game for town.
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hugh's response to my hypothetical question went informed me very much so that hugh has developed a significant skill in understanding and interpreting gamestates. This is not something I felt like hugh had a good grasp on the last time I played with him, but he has very clearly made significant improvements in his skill as a player overall.

hugh's response to my hypothetical question further informed me that his view of the layering in my question was the same as Nemo's view of that same layering. If we establish Nemo to have a townie mindset, I would be inclined to believe that hugh has a townie mindset. If we establish that hugh has a townie mindset, I would be inclined to believe that Nemo has a townie mindset. This is because their approach to my questionable-faith question led them to very similar destinations, and I feel like that has more merit that most people are willing to admit here. It's not strong evidence, but it is a connection that I think ignoring would just hurt us on.

hugh's response to my hypothetical question also demonstrated clearly that hugh is paying attention to the game and must have developed a reasonable read of me and my play as well. I suspect that after the 48-hour night phase we may have changed our opinions on those reads mutually, but as it stands I know that I can trust hugh to have a developed opinion on me, and thus I can now use that to gauge hugh's actions in the future. That was in no way unsuccessful.

hugh's response to my hypothetical question also showed clearly that I can rely on hugh to pay attention to the subtext of content in this game, and as such I can expect and examine hugh's future content for such things as "who is Shalmoa on a scum team with?" "is Shalmoa actually an executioner?" or "is so-and-so perhaps evil again?".

In short, I had a very miscalibrated view of hugh's skills as a player and I managed to very firmly establish him as having found his footing as a mafia player, and as such that I can make reasonable expectations of his contributions to the thread. I used that to develop a case against him, which he says doesn't account for his own IRL time commitments preventing rapid responses from occurring. Which is fine, but I'll be judging his continued contributions based on this established scenario.

So in short, I'd say I managed to get a decent amount out of my shenanigans with hugh. Sure, it was indeed not alignment indicative on Day 1. Often, there isn't much AI stuff on D1 which reveals itself as AI on D1. I'm trying my best but I'm not actually a miracle worker.
 
Also finding me finding your executioner play suspicious is a perfectly fine OMGUS, but I will maintain that trying to play me off as an executioner specifically is benefiting scum way more than it benefits town unless you actually flip me, and even then it's one of our probably 3 or 4 miselims before we lose majority gone.
 
Shalmoa said:
As far as engagement goes, I'd like to ask @NemoMarx to pick a direction to push today. It can be me, I don't mind, just make it an actual push and provide some reasoning.
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I don't think you make sense as someone to push? I don't think you do what you do D1 as mafia. It was a large chunk of what got done that day, and it would be a pretty roundabout mafia play? So, not you, so I'm gonna look at building a case. I need a better list of reads anyway so I'll probably work from doing one of those.
 
Soo Shalmoa: give me towncred or give me death, is it?
Tempting offer, given the spotlight you're hogging.
But I must ask for your patience, even though I'm now caught up…
I'm inclined to trust Zone as town, at least, even if he had to be sit down for a lesson SV Mafia culture…But from there…Well, I'm not feeling any new telling evidence has come out though? And due to the lack of any new tells, we end up stuck on the same case.
 
Was going to respond to the direction thing but it appears Nictis kind of already made the point I was going to touch on, so meh

Going to refrain from commenting on the stuff from Shalmoa/Nictis for the time being, as I would like to see where things develop from where they are now.
 
-Rosen said:
Was going to respond to the direction thing but it appears Nictis kind of already made the point I was going to touch on, so meh

Going to refrain from commenting on the stuff from Shalmoa/Nictis for the time being, as I would like to see where things develop from where they are now.
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Probably not far, I'm kinda in and out at the moment. Feel free to jump in.
 
was able to do some reading tonight. still busy but will post reads I have so far

Shalmoa - I didn't have much time to go into this read yesterday and didn't feel apt do so without a more thorough read. My feeling was that it's less than rand scum for Shal to have done the cop soft claim so early in the game unprovoked. It brings attention to one's self with no gain. The only scum motive I see for this is if Shal is exactly paired with hugh and the whole thing was scum theater, as Zae suggested. Thinking about it actually, given their interactions near end of day, I think this is actually feasible.

At the time Shal offered to join forces with hugh and vote shadell for self preservation in #380 the vote count was:

hugh [4] - king, cyri, shal, ori
shalmoa [3] - hugh, zae, hobo
shadell [3] - rosen, nictis
zone [2] - shadell, ori
ori [1] - seven

Why offer this when your main scum read was in the lead? Additionally, Shal was hedging on voting for hugh prior to this (e.g. #261). The reason being not wanting to elim a high poster which doesn't make sense to me considering a) the game wasn't inactive and b) if you think someone's scum, you just yeet them…

Perhaps my view about the activity of the game is skewed from having replaced in near the end of day? Does anyone else feel activity to have been an issue day 1? Beside replacements who were catching up, the only one absent seemed to be Scia. Reading through Shal and Hugh's interactions I think there's a good chance the whole hypocop thing was svs theater but that shal never intended to actually get hugh elimmed.

Binary: scum

Rosen - his responses to me yesterday were fine, and I feel like he answered and has been playing in a way that feels guiltless in general. Also lowkey part of my suspicion toward him yesterday was because I was feeling partner vibes between him and Ori given that Ori just passed him off as town for the rvs wagon.

Binary: town

Kingster - some of the things King has put forth seem innocent to me, like with the godfather claim and #188 - #194. It just doesn't come off to me as a newb who is informed.

Binary: town
 
o and the binary is just me forcing myself to commit to either a town or scum read, so no leans category just elim or don't elim
 
Tsumugi said:
Day 2 Ends: Later today at 8:00 PM
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I'd like to remind everyone that D2 is shorter than D1 was, and I've still heard a fairly limited speculation or hunting on what the scum team supposedly is, especially in the scenario that I flip town.
Seven said:
Why offer this when your main scum read was in the lead? Additionally, Shal was hedging on voting for hugh prior to this (e.g. #261). The reason being not wanting to elim a high poster which doesn't make sense to me considering a) the game wasn't inactive and b) if you think someone's scum, you just yeet them…

Perhaps my view about the activity of the game is skewed from having replaced in near the end of day? Does anyone else feel activity to have been an issue day 1? Beside replacements who were catching up, the only one absent seemed to be Scia. Reading through Shal and Hugh's interactions I think there's a good chance the whole hypocop thing was svs theater but that shal never intended to actually get hugh elimmed.
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Reasonable set of reads, but last game I was in had quite a few cases of technically optimal play on other's parts making it the most boring thing ever for my entire team because we just got stuck in an early loss gamestate and it was awful. And thread activity died horrible.

And hugh isn't really committing to any pushing again.

I'm super tempted to suggest policy voting non-voters again, because we are halfway through the day and approaching halfway through the game and there's only 3 votes on the board and the obvious theatrical one has not accomplished anything of what I needed it to.

[x] Vote NemoMarx

@NemoMarx: Day's half over, please come up with a push.
 
Nictis said:
The reason we give a lot of pushback to directing power roles is that we trend more towards the power madness side than the light power roles side of things, with Transporters being one of the more common roles to have in the game and for a while we had a good streak of Veterans/PGOs/PGO adjacent roles or absolute Madness like the Hell Beast (Think Town of Salem werewolf, but every night) and Exploding Imp (If voted out, kills everyone that voted it. If killed at night, kills everyone who is visiting it, whoever it is visiting, and everyone that is visiting its target) and we've had scum direct actions by the newer players away from their own members or into targets for bombings by sneaking it in the last couple minutes without anyone being able to speak against it.
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To reiterate my thoughts on this matter:
I am really interested in this site because of what you mentioned, but I can neither relate to any of you who have been hit by the Bastard Lite rolemadness, nor will I change my mindset on how I do my things.
Shalmoa said:
2. To attempt to push hugh as mechanically confirmed town, as executioner targets very often are.
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The other points are reasonable, but this one strikes me off as odd. Assuming w!Nictis wants to push v!Shalmoa as Executioner, then hugh is never mechanically confirmed town. Because the only way hugh is mechanically confirmed town is after you (Shalmoa) flip as Executioner, which -from your POV- should never happen.
Shalmoa said:
Of course there's 3 mafia. Maybe, somehow, we'll get lucky and there's two. There probably isn't an SK. There probably isn't an Arso. Ergo, there's probably not even a TH!3P.
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I uh... don't know how to prove this without potentially breaking the rules, but I am fairly certain there is indeed only 3 Mafia.

More specifically, FMPOV, there is no way there are only 2 Mafia.
 
Seven said:
Kingster - some of the things King has put forth seem innocent to me, like with the godfather claim and #188 - #194. It just doesn't come off to me as a newb who is informed.

Binary: town
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What? Seven, I'm really confused here.
For starters, hugh was the one who claimed Godfather, and nothing within P#188 - P#194 strikes me off as towny. In fact, those posts reinforce my scumreads on Kingster; he's just sheeping the wagons.

First he says he would vote Shadell over hugh (P#174), but then -in the very posts you brought up- it is literally shown that Kingster was discussing on who to vote between Shalmoa and hugh.
On top of that, after some time, he parked his vote on hugh instead of Shadell (P#308).

Seven (and everyone else), please do me a favor and read P#469 for me and tell me what you think about Kingster.
 
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