- Location
- Germany
Esha's level might be helpful for this arc, either social or, with Blindness, for combat.
Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Original Fantasy
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Yeah, that's a real concern. I would like to level her up now, but it's a lot of XP to spend now for what she'll get for free very soon.
The level up for Roland could be very good, too.
I'm hoping that a delay now won't be too troublesome and that it will allow both of them to level up at the end of the next arc.
- Location
- Argentina
Ueah. Getting two feats for Roland is simply wonderful next level up. Also I really want him to know his maneuvers, makes tactics more relevant when dueling.
Another benefit to Esha levelling up is that she can re-try learning spells she failed to learn, which include at least Unseen Servant.
@DragonParadox, if Esha would learn Unseen Servant, would you allow mundane text copying (e.g. for producing a copy of a book) at a standard human rate to be a simple task, justification being that each spell Esha casts is intrinsically linked to how her soul expresses her experience, and for her text copying would be such a task?
No, there is a cantrip for that. Unseen servants lack the dexterity and intelligence to do more than really simple tasks so no writing.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I'm thinking of going with Additional Traits and Deft Maneuvers for Roland next level up, aiming to take Weapon Focus (Swords) as a 6th level bonus feat.
According to DP, with Additional Traits he can gain Sword Scion as a trait. That will give him a +1 attack bonus with his long Sword just like with Weapon Focus, but it also lets us pick up another trait for him as well.
I was thinking a slightly refluffed Outlander for the +2 Initiative bonus or Sound of Mind for the +2 bonus vs Mind-Affecting effects.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
@DragonParadox, would Cumbrous Will still be available to select at the end of the next arc?
Yes, the only one that is likely to be gone is the option you did not choose last vote, the spell-drinker.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Nice.
So, what do y'all think of leveling up Roland now, then having him gain Cumbrous Will at the end of the next arc when Esha levels up? If he gains the Sound of Mind trait, that would be a flat, constant +2 Will bonus vs Mind-Affecting effects. It's not exactly the +6 from Cumbrous Will, but it also doesn't come with a steep penalty.
After this level up and acquiring Cumbrous Will later, Roland wouldn't be quite so badly affected by using the feat, since his attack bonus will be +2 higher. With the penalty from Cumbrous Will, it would basically reduce his attack bonus to what it is now rather than pushing him back to what he had at 2nd level of it was used now.
Obviously full level up is better than a feat, and we'll still would be able to gain Cumbrous Will later, so we lose nothing, I'm all for it.
[X] Goldfish
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Sorry about being so wishy-washy this morning, y'all. I'm about 95% sure I won't change my vote again.
I think this is the way to go, since it gets Roland everything he needs, a lot more combat prowess, his most important skills improve at a time as place where they could all be very helpful, and his Fortitude and Will saves will each get a significant boost. We can still learn Cumbrous Will at the end of the next arc, too.
[X] Your skills have grown in peace and war alike (Gain full XP)
[X] Roland Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Fighter
-[X] Feats: Additional Traits (Sound of Mind, Sword Scion), Deft Maneuvers
-[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Diplomacy, +1 Intimidate, +1 Perception, +1 Sense Motive
I think this is the way to go, since it gets Roland everything he needs, a lot more combat prowess, his most important skills improve at a time as place where they could all be very helpful, and his Fortitude and Will saves will each get a significant boost. We can still learn Cumbrous Will at the end of the next arc, too.
[X] Your skills have grown in peace and war alike (Gain full XP)
[X] Roland Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Fighter
-[X] Feats: Additional Traits (Sound of Mind, Sword Scion), Deft Maneuvers
-[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Diplomacy, +1 Intimidate, +1 Perception, +1 Sense Motive
@DragonParadox, I realized I forgot to adjust finances of the company when I added 20 CLW potions Inge and Zaia brewed after the latest pirate encounter.
So when you'll be updating State of the Company with equipment we got from the pirates, accounting for this
Regarding total ship costs of 3040 gp/season, did we pay until the end of Ikomi Ascendant, middle of the winter, or until the end of Ikomi Descendant, end of the winter and end of the year?
So when you'll be updating State of the Company with equipment we got from the pirates, accounting for this
the finances should be set to 26622 - 500 + 21903 - 3504 - 3040 + X - Y = 41481 + X - Y, where X is what we gained from selling the longships and Y is Inge's and Esha's pay.
Regarding total ship costs of 3040 gp/season, did we pay until the end of Ikomi Ascendant, middle of the winter, or until the end of Ikomi Descendant, end of the winter and end of the year?
Will update the sheet soon, the costs are until the end of the year, so we can have regular paydays on the first of the season going forward
- Location
- United States
[X] The touch of magic upon your soul is as the sea to the prow of a ship, the current might carry you hither and yon, but always you have cut swells then they have rises perilously high (Gain Bonus Feat Spell-Drinker; May not take Use Magic Device skill ranks or use the skill untrained until you learn to consciously control this strange ability)
Still riding on this, likely in vain.
Still riding on this, likely in vain.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We can still purchase that some time in the future. If we get the Sound Mind and Sword Scion traits now, that's a +1 bonus to attack rolls and +2 to most Will saves, in addition to the +1 BAB increase Roland gets from leveling up.
Then when he eventually reaches 6th level, he can pick up Weapon Focus as his bonus feat to go with that level's +1 BAB increase.
This lets him increase his total attack bonus from the current +7 to a +11 over the next two levels, which will be just in time for him to get his second iterative attack. If we want that second attack to be useful, we need to get his attack bonus as high as possible. +11/+6 is pretty good for 6th level.
Add in Deft Maneuvers and his bonus to Trip, Disarm, etc. will be +13 before other bonuses like Coordinated Maneuvers, Aid Another, etc. are added.
And it's not like Roland's Will save is suffering much. With the Sound Mind trait, he'll have a +7 bonus vs Mind-Affecting effects and +9 vs Fear effects, and that's before Esha's +2 Soulrider bonus.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We should be able to get it at the end of the next arc, unless DP gives us something really tempting in its place, like Steadfast Personality. That would be hard to turn down.
Annatar
Lord of Gifts
- Location
- Pittsburgh
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
[X] The touch of magic upon your soul is as the sea to the prow of a ship, the current might carry you hither and yon, but always you have cut swells then they have rises perilously high (Gain Bonus Feat Spell-Drinker; May not take Use Magic Device skill ranks or use the skill untrained until you learn to consciously control this strange ability)
- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Cumbrous Will seems to me as a some kind of last resort. Yes, it would have been indispensable in the dragon battle with his sleep ability. But otherwise...
We should know, that enemy uses ability which allows a will save, that enemy uses it on us, that this ability is dangerous enough that it justifies shaken condition. Yes, there could be situation when Cumbrous Will will be useful, but this feat seems very situational.
Spell-Drinker is also situational, but it is automatical, pure beneficial and may heal Roland and help him to survive.
We should know, that enemy uses ability which allows a will save, that enemy uses it on us, that this ability is dangerous enough that it justifies shaken condition. Yes, there could be situation when Cumbrous Will will be useful, but this feat seems very situational.
Spell-Drinker is also situational, but it is automatical, pure beneficial and may heal Roland and help him to survive.
it depends on if you want to laugh at enchantment and other will dependent spells, spit in the face of those who might seem as gods to most men... or if you want your own sort of magic, not born or begotten, but taken and reforged in battle. Either could be the mark of its own legend, if Roland lives long enough to claim it.
I trust Goldfish's and Artemis1992's ultimate vision of Roland as Initiator and that we already started on that path with Iron Will and Focused Discipline, and according to them Spell-Drinker is not in line with it:
Given how DP told us multiple times that there are tree branches in Roland's development we must choose, taking wrong feats may mess up his development path we would want.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Spell-Drinker pretty marginal, to be honest. It not only requires that Roland successfully save against an effect, but that he also use an Immediate Action to activate it. An Immediate Action is pretty damned fast, but it still requires conscious effort to use, and at the very most it will grant 1d6+3 Temp HP for one minute.
Chances are, if he both saved against an effect and is conscious enough to make use of the feat, he would at least be able to retreat or drink a healing potion instead.