A Simple Transaction I
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OctarineShrike
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The Hidden Ones Defeated the Forebear. Let's not let sentiment get in the way of purpose.
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[X] The Tears of Winter, the Dog of War, the Evening Sky - Imperishable Night
Becoming an eternal Tyrant after all Hunger has done to work against one would be too sad.
Sure, it'll take scientific notation amount of time to fully mitigate it, but Uttermost True removes even that possibility, as Hunger will lack the desire necessary to do so.
Becoming an eternal Tyrant after all Hunger has done to work against one would be too sad.
Sure, it'll take scientific notation amount of time to fully mitigate it, but Uttermost True removes even that possibility, as Hunger will lack the desire necessary to do so.
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I dunno, Cathlynn's attempt to remove Hunger as a Tyrant making him even more of a Tyrant appeals to a vicious side of me. On the other hand, I'm concerned that unmitigated Tyrant would cause that 'spat' between Letrizia and her bodyguard Peckish to be impossible at best and outright liable to get her killed at worst, though I'm hoping that's something we'd need -0.5 Mitigation for like people were concerned about back during the Praxis section of the Archmage Domain vote.
My point is that my vote's basically for sale at this point, even if I'm leaning Uttermost right now.
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I'd like you to vote for blood halo, but it isn't exactly viable rn so I'll offer a contract that only pays out if it wins.
Mitigating the Doom would only happen if Hunger wanted it to happen, and that's pretty much a lost cause by this point, even without fully becoming the Forebear. From his point of view, the only real 'problems' of Doom only occur when you're not the biggest and baddest guy around. And unless one is competing with another Cursebearer, that's more often than not a temporary state of affairs.
In reality some of our troubles were caused at least indirectly by the Tyrant's Doom, since people knew that Hunger is categorically incapable of ceding authority, but it isn't something he thinks he needs to fix. This quest (and likely his past life too) has taught him is that even complex sociopolitical problems can be solved through sufficient application of Rank and having competent subordinates, so why would he need to change himself when he can use the same time more effectively to become better at his job?
Personally, I think the doom and gloom predictions of Inheritance are somewhat exaggerated. Haeliel wouldn't have approved of the option if it made Hunger a strictly worse person. The only real problem with it I have is that everyone else's survival chances with it are lower than in the other options, but I don't feel confident enough in our chances against the Maiden to gamble or focus on secondary goals, so I prefer the option that shores up and consolidates our greatest weapons.
In reality some of our troubles were caused at least indirectly by the Tyrant's Doom, since people knew that Hunger is categorically incapable of ceding authority, but it isn't something he thinks he needs to fix. This quest (and likely his past life too) has taught him is that even complex sociopolitical problems can be solved through sufficient application of Rank and having competent subordinates, so why would he need to change himself when he can use the same time more effectively to become better at his job?
Personally, I think the doom and gloom predictions of Inheritance are somewhat exaggerated. Haeliel wouldn't have approved of the option if it made Hunger a strictly worse person. The only real problem with it I have is that everyone else's survival chances with it are lower than in the other options, but I don't feel confident enough in our chances against the Maiden to gamble or focus on secondary goals, so I prefer the option that shores up and consolidates our greatest weapons.
It's the last build vote, one that determines Hunger's future course. What even
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It's planning for the next quest. You need to be forward-thinking!
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[X] The Tears of Winter, the Dog of War, the Evening Sky - Imperishable Night
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...from a certain point of view, isn't a hero sometimes the same thing as a tyrant?
I'm thinking of this case specifically
A hero is, in the end, someone who's willing to sacrifice anything to do what they feel is right. But if you are on his opposite side... wouldn't that same hero seems a LOT like a Tyrant, forcing you to conform to their notion of right and wrong?
Another example could be the Avatar from the point of view of the Fire Nation in the last airbender, and I'm sure there's more.
The Accursed is another example. Depending on how you feel about his goal, he's either the ultimate hero or the ultimate tyrant.
Naturally it's often a question of one's viewpoint which labels are assigned. His enemies hatefully call him a Tyrant, yet his people love him for his rule. His companions are somewhere in-between, more aware of the man behind the curtain and his motivations, both good and bad....from a certain point of view, isn't a hero sometimes the same thing as a tyrant?
I'm thinking of this case specifically
A hero is, in the end, someone who's willing to sacrifice anything to do what they feel is right. But if you are on his opposite side... wouldn't that same hero seems a LOT like a Tyrant, forcing you to conform to their notion of right and wrong?
Another example could be the Avatar from the point of view of the Fire Nation in the last airbender, and I'm sure there's more.
The Accursed is another example. Depending on how you feel about his goal, he's either the ultimate hero or the ultimate tyrant.
To be honest, I don't think Hunger can really be thought of as a Tyrant in a traditional sense. He carries the eponymous Doom, but the real reason he conquered the Human Sphere is that his Geas would have killed him otherwise. Even Ceathlynn remarked that once he was done with that, he just... stopped. He wasn't tempted to expand his domain and bring his enlightened rule to the furthest corners of the universe. Instead, he reinforced what he had and prepared for the inevitable challenges ahead.
The Forebear is pretty similar in that respect. He doesn't do conquest for conquest's sake, he does it as part of his Procession-enforced duties. Doesn't make it that much easier on people who cling to things like freedom of choice and can't tolerate living under his iron rule, but I don't think becoming more like the Forebear will change Hunger's behaviour too much.
Given a choice, he's more likely to run off on his own to train and/or fish, not suddenly become a megalomaniac who wants to impose his vision of reality on all that he surveys.
And my suspicion that Haeliel likes bad boys grows ever stronger.
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TIL that Caroline's real problem with Imperia was actually that she wasn't into girls.
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[X] The Ring Crimson - Blood Halo
Maybe this won't win...but we've managed stunning upsets before, haven't we?
Anyway, I like Blood Halo because it is an answer to a problem that's been persistent throughout the quest, being that Hunger so thoroughly outclasses all of his would-be friends and allies. It's led to greater problems still - the resentment that drove Aobaru to betrayal, the ennui that Letrizia has done weird things to escape, and the fact that even Aeira's 'moment in the sun' (well, it was in a dark cave, though) involved Hunger solving the problem and getting the loot.
The biggest criticism leveled at Hunger recently is that his mere presence makes the lives of everyone around him not matter. This is a problem both for the characters and the production of a good story. Blood Halo solves that. Blood Halo shows that Hunger is more that the sword, more than the single warrior standing alone to cleave the cosmos. Letrizia mentioned that Hunger was resolved to stay human in mind. Blood Halo is the fruition of that.
Maybe this won't win...but we've managed stunning upsets before, haven't we?
Anyway, I like Blood Halo because it is an answer to a problem that's been persistent throughout the quest, being that Hunger so thoroughly outclasses all of his would-be friends and allies. It's led to greater problems still - the resentment that drove Aobaru to betrayal, the ennui that Letrizia has done weird things to escape, and the fact that even Aeira's 'moment in the sun' (well, it was in a dark cave, though) involved Hunger solving the problem and getting the loot.
The biggest criticism leveled at Hunger recently is that his mere presence makes the lives of everyone around him not matter. This is a problem both for the characters and the production of a good story. Blood Halo solves that. Blood Halo shows that Hunger is more that the sword, more than the single warrior standing alone to cleave the cosmos. Letrizia mentioned that Hunger was resolved to stay human in mind. Blood Halo is the fruition of that.
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OctarineShrike
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Yeah I mean. Blood Halo is Sword Gud.
Take Cut Through and add 1 Ish to it(Current ISH 3)
Then add Oaf II(Current ISH 3.2)
Then add Invincible with an additional ISH (Current ISH 4.5)
Then Hunger gets 10000 prowess.
Hungers gets Gud at swords and his swords are relevant on metafictional battlefields.
Take Cut Through and add 1 Ish to it(Current ISH 3)
Then add Oaf II(Current ISH 3.2)
Then add Invincible with an additional ISH (Current ISH 4.5)
Then Hunger gets 10000 prowess.
Hungers gets Gud at swords and his swords are relevant on metafictional battlefields.
OctarineShrike
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I'm willing to have a go at it.
@Birdsie remember when I backed Mordred(A Simple Transaction I Original )? Looks like there won't be much time left to call it in, so I'm calling it here to request you namevote me.
[X] The Ring Crimson - Blood Halo
@Birdsie remember when I backed Mordred(A Simple Transaction I Original )? Looks like there won't be much time left to call it in, so I'm calling it here to request you namevote me.
[X] The Ring Crimson - Blood Halo
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Birdsie
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Alright.
[x] OctarineShrike
(I prefer Inheritance, but I like Blood Halo as well. I probably would've done it for free.)
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The Final Shitpost
The Tears of Winter, the Dog of War, the Evening Sky - Imperishable Night
The battle to reach this point had been long and hard for the Maiden. For Hunger, it had just been long. Almost relaxing, really. It had been even better for the citizenry; buoyed by the Realm of Evening, they had rebranded their mass evacuations as the ultimate Apocalyptic Bar Crawl. The partying had truly been legendary.
"Your tyranny cannot stand!" the Maiden declaimed, raising her burning sword of daybreak to point at Hunger. But Winter's chill had eaten deep into her bones, and the pall of night had hung over her for too long, and the sword did not blaze as it once did.
"Why would I need to stand up to beat you?" Hunger replied, lounging insolently on his Throne of Night inside Novakhron, his Hyper-Dimensional Chad Fortress.
The Maiden screeched in frustration. Hunger screeched back, to assert dominance.
The Maiden attacked, consumed by her fury. But even as she beat back the Cloak of Evening, Hunger's own resistance to her attacks only increased. And with every exchange, the weight of dueling within the range of Hunger's personal Sanctum only ate further into the Maiden's prowess.
"Why… can't… I… hurt you?!" the Maiden screamed at Hunger, gasping for air. This was peculiar, considering that beings of her level didn't need air to speak, or to breathe in the first place. It still happened, though. Exhaustion is a bitch.
Rather than reply with words, Hunger gestured lazily from atop his Throne, and Novakhron T-posed. The Maiden wept.
The Ring Crimson - Blood Halo
The Maiden blinked incredulously. "What."
"Bitch says what?" Aobaru sneered wittily, and his offensive words hit the Maiden as a physical blow.
"What are you wearing," the Maiden clarified, ignoring the strangely hurtful insult as beneath her and squinting to power through the physically painful sight before her.
Truly, the panoply of Hunger and Aobaru was eye-gougingly magnificent. They had plundered the wardrobes of every pimp, fashion-blind retiree, and deliberately avant-garde fashion provocateur in both their realms. And their power was such that they were wearing all of it at once.
Clad in his superpositional array of offensive fashion, Hunger pulled out a mic. "Did you think this would be settled by a clash of swords?" he asked mockingly as Aobaru began to break dance menacingly. "I challenge you to a rap battle, motherfucker!"
"This is so far beneath my dignity that I might just leave," the Maiden said, almost to herself. Had her nose started bleeding after Hunger called her a motherfucker? Surely not.
"FLYTE ME, COWARD!" Hunger roared.
The Forebear's Blade - Inheritance
"Are you prepared for the ultimate clash of blades between us, Hunger? My hard length of steel pressed against yours, for final glory and victory?" the Maiden challenged him.
"SORD," Hunger replied.
"What." This was not how the Maiden had seen this going.
"SORD. I SORD YOU," Hunger continued, raising his sword towards her menacingly.
"Uh…" The Maiden looked suddenly unsure of what she was doing.
"SORB TIME. I SMORB NOW!" Hunger's expression was triumphant, though the line of drool at the side of his mouth detracted from this somewhat.
"Okay, I can't do this. I can't beat up a mentally challenged man. Sorry Cathlynn, I'm out. Deuces." With that, the Maiden retreated from Cathlynn's soul to re-examine her life choices, leaving Cathlynn standing there in her naked mortality, looking suddenly petrified. Everyone ignored her, because she didn't matter.
"You did it, honey!" Gisena cooed, nestling up against Hunger and taking his arm in hers. "You defeated her with the awesome power of your Unlimited Simp Works!"
"God, but I love them violent and dumb," Haeliel added, snuggling up to Hunger on his other side. Gisena pouted at her jealously, but knew better than to try to contest the Seraph of Hot Bitches directly.
"SNORP," Hunger said happily, as he started to vacant-mindedly lick his own sword. Truly, this was the ending he'd always dreamed of.
I wanted to provide some brief omakes showing a glimpse of how each build option might play out in the final confrontation with the Maiden. I arranged them in descending order of my own personal preference. You may detect some subtle signs that while I have a preference between the other two, I actually actively dislike Inheritance.
The battle to reach this point had been long and hard for the Maiden. For Hunger, it had just been long. Almost relaxing, really. It had been even better for the citizenry; buoyed by the Realm of Evening, they had rebranded their mass evacuations as the ultimate Apocalyptic Bar Crawl. The partying had truly been legendary.
"Your tyranny cannot stand!" the Maiden declaimed, raising her burning sword of daybreak to point at Hunger. But Winter's chill had eaten deep into her bones, and the pall of night had hung over her for too long, and the sword did not blaze as it once did.
"Why would I need to stand up to beat you?" Hunger replied, lounging insolently on his Throne of Night inside Novakhron, his Hyper-Dimensional Chad Fortress.
The Maiden screeched in frustration. Hunger screeched back, to assert dominance.
The Maiden attacked, consumed by her fury. But even as she beat back the Cloak of Evening, Hunger's own resistance to her attacks only increased. And with every exchange, the weight of dueling within the range of Hunger's personal Sanctum only ate further into the Maiden's prowess.
"Why… can't… I… hurt you?!" the Maiden screamed at Hunger, gasping for air. This was peculiar, considering that beings of her level didn't need air to speak, or to breathe in the first place. It still happened, though. Exhaustion is a bitch.
Rather than reply with words, Hunger gestured lazily from atop his Throne, and Novakhron T-posed. The Maiden wept.
The Ring Crimson - Blood Halo
The Maiden blinked incredulously. "What."
"Bitch says what?" Aobaru sneered wittily, and his offensive words hit the Maiden as a physical blow.
"What are you wearing," the Maiden clarified, ignoring the strangely hurtful insult as beneath her and squinting to power through the physically painful sight before her.
Truly, the panoply of Hunger and Aobaru was eye-gougingly magnificent. They had plundered the wardrobes of every pimp, fashion-blind retiree, and deliberately avant-garde fashion provocateur in both their realms. And their power was such that they were wearing all of it at once.
Clad in his superpositional array of offensive fashion, Hunger pulled out a mic. "Did you think this would be settled by a clash of swords?" he asked mockingly as Aobaru began to break dance menacingly. "I challenge you to a rap battle, motherfucker!"
"This is so far beneath my dignity that I might just leave," the Maiden said, almost to herself. Had her nose started bleeding after Hunger called her a motherfucker? Surely not.
"FLYTE ME, COWARD!" Hunger roared.
The Forebear's Blade - Inheritance
"Are you prepared for the ultimate clash of blades between us, Hunger? My hard length of steel pressed against yours, for final glory and victory?" the Maiden challenged him.
"SORD," Hunger replied.
"What." This was not how the Maiden had seen this going.
"SORD. I SORD YOU," Hunger continued, raising his sword towards her menacingly.
"Uh…" The Maiden looked suddenly unsure of what she was doing.
"SORB TIME. I SMORB NOW!" Hunger's expression was triumphant, though the line of drool at the side of his mouth detracted from this somewhat.
"Okay, I can't do this. I can't beat up a mentally challenged man. Sorry Cathlynn, I'm out. Deuces." With that, the Maiden retreated from Cathlynn's soul to re-examine her life choices, leaving Cathlynn standing there in her naked mortality, looking suddenly petrified. Everyone ignored her, because she didn't matter.
"You did it, honey!" Gisena cooed, nestling up against Hunger and taking his arm in hers. "You defeated her with the awesome power of your Unlimited Simp Works!"
"God, but I love them violent and dumb," Haeliel added, snuggling up to Hunger on his other side. Gisena pouted at her jealously, but knew better than to try to contest the Seraph of Hot Bitches directly.
"SNORP," Hunger said happily, as he started to vacant-mindedly lick his own sword. Truly, this was the ending he'd always dreamed of.
OctarineShrike
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Anyone wonder if we'll find out any more about the places Above the Realm of Forms with ISH 4+?
Also..., Blood Halo lets Hunger join in Ordinalism lessons from Haeliel. He'd probably be a complete Ordinalist pretty fast at that point though. But then Hunger uses the Blood Halo to buff Ordinalism a Step on the Infinite Singularity Husk for combat situations. Aobaru, Gisena, and Hunger all become high level Ordinalists in the ending.
Blood Halo is quite literally Pen and Sword in accord. It breaks the confines of the Ring, gives Hunger's Swordfighting ability metafictional effect levels of power, makes him actually good at swordfighting, and gives him levels of intelligence so massive Gisena's probably the only one that surpasses them.
Edit: It also gets Hunger 5 points of Accursed Favor
Also..., Blood Halo lets Hunger join in Ordinalism lessons from Haeliel. He'd probably be a complete Ordinalist pretty fast at that point though. But then Hunger uses the Blood Halo to buff Ordinalism a Step on the Infinite Singularity Husk for combat situations. Aobaru, Gisena, and Hunger all become high level Ordinalists in the ending.
Blood Halo is quite literally Pen and Sword in accord. It breaks the confines of the Ring, gives Hunger's Swordfighting ability metafictional effect levels of power, makes him actually good at swordfighting, and gives him levels of intelligence so massive Gisena's probably the only one that surpasses them.
Edit: It also gets Hunger 5 points of Accursed Favor
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That said, this time we are on the right side of history and in term of models for our future growth we could certainly do worse than imitating an entity that managed to achieve power sufficient to curse the Accursed without the benefit of Progression! Plus the option is Haeliel approved, so...
Some people might be concerned about the whole inevitable ruin of all we come in contact with, but if we can't find a way to deal with that problem in the next vigintillion eons, a span of time multiple order of magnitudes larger than the duration of Indenture, then we don't deserve to be called a Progression-type Cursebearer.
The Maiden will have no choice but to fight us within our Sanctum and get hit with all the negative consequences thereof:
-0.5 ISH to all her abilities
for each exchange she gets -10% to all Attributes, while we get +10% and -10% to any debuff we've been inflicted with.
Less relevantly, we get +200 Charisma and +100% to our Holy Shit modifier, meaning even more bonus to our Charisma and Manipulation if the Maiden is weaker than us.
Penalizing the Maiden by 0.5 ISH while we ourselves have ISH 4.x Rank and Ruin is kind of incredible, isn't it?
Though it should be noted this bonus only apply to direct offensive actions, so presumably it would not benefit more indirect forms of attacks.
Overall, extremely powerful mitigation. It won't help us with our immediate problem but over the longer term it will be extremely valuable to Hunger.
Overall I have rather strong preference for Inheritance even if I'd be fine with Blood Halo too, even if I really dislike its aesthetic but, as a member of the Not Dying Gang, I simply cannot condone Imperishable Night.
So given all that and the fact that this might be the last vote of the quest, I'm going to call in my markers: @OctarineShrike and @BrainInAJar please vote for
[X] The Forebear's Blade - Inheritance
So the Forebear was apparently one of the entities that cursed the Accursed. Can't say I approve of that, though given Uttermost, End it was probably inevitable, someone who recognize no higher authority would obviously have trouble trusting the Accursed to rewrite all of reality...
That said, this time we are on the right side of history and in term of models for our future growth we could certainly do worse than imitating an entity that managed to achieve power sufficient to curse the Accursed without the benefit of Progression! Plus the option is Haeliel approved, so...
Infinite Willpower also mean infinite Strength, Constitution and Agility, but that's not even the important part, the important part is infinite Rank. That's just ridiculous. That's ISH 4.x level. It's reality entire bending in your favor on a meta level to insure your victory. Wow.
And if that wasn't enough we don't get merely aleph 0 level Rank, we get higher cardinality of infinity Rank scale with our previous Rank and Power of Ruin. And if that wasn't enough our Ruin is now powered by our higher cardinality of infinity Rank. Truly ridiculous.
Some people might be concerned about the whole inevitable ruin of all we come in contact with, but if we can't find a way to deal with that problem in the next vigintillion eons, a span of time multiple order of magnitudes larger than the duration of Indenture, then we don't deserve to be called a Progression-type Cursebearer.
+800% Attributes seems pretty inconsequential given everything else the option offers, though it is nice not to completely neglect our mental stats and the Might +s are completely irrelevant given the infinite +s from Willpower but what's not irrelevant is the True Sanctum effect to our entire kingdom.
The Maiden will have no choice but to fight us within our Sanctum and get hit with all the negative consequences thereof:
-0.5 ISH to all her abilities
for each exchange she gets -10% to all Attributes, while we get +10% and -10% to any debuff we've been inflicted with.
Less relevantly, we get +200 Charisma and +100% to our Holy Shit modifier, meaning even more bonus to our Charisma and Manipulation if the Maiden is weaker than us.
Penalizing the Maiden by 0.5 ISH while we ourselves have ISH 4.x Rank and Ruin is kind of incredible, isn't it?
This option makes Haeliel likes us more and even unlock the Haeliel ending. Here are some descriptions of Haeliel nature for anybody that might have forgotten:
I'm not sure why anybody is trying to claim this option is going to make Hunger into a monster? Because it's really not.
Having our Arete production go directly towards increasing our chances of victory is very, very good.
I don't really like the aesthetics of this option. Abandoning restoration and augmentation for the sake of focusing entirely on battle is not the path I want Hunger to make, but I certainly can't contest this option's power.
+1 ISH for all direct offensive actions and relavant for of defenses... +1 ISH... I think this mostly speaks for itself! And it's only going to get stronger and stronger as we rise farther and farther on the ISH.
Though it should be noted this bonus only apply to direct offensive actions, so presumably it would not benefit more indirect forms of attacks.
This really sucks, though. One can argue that ISH is at it most important when you are opposed by an enemy, which is certainly true, and the penalty is certainly far lower than the benefits we get in battle but still...
That's a lot of stats! Seems kind of unimportant compared to direct ISH bonuses and penalties and it's not the infinite stat bonus to willpower of Inheritance but still nice.
We've seen how ridiculous Archmage Domains could get. Having Battles as one of our Domain and having it maxed out is bound to provides some absolutely absurd benefits!
I imagine this would make any opponent who doesn't have a counter for this rather reluctant to fight us, though I imagine most opponents at our level would have a counter and in battle it seems somewhat redundant with us having a maxed out Domain of Battles? That said, the fact that we can treat wearing garish clothing as a fully powered attack and literally cringe our opponents out of existence is kind of hilarious...
I'm not sure how I feel about making our heir apparent worse at everything non-battle related... Though it would certainly help him with dealing the Apocryphal procs we'll be sending his way.
Increasing the effective power we can deploy a hundred-fold is certainly nice.
Some people have claimed that peer-level enemies were three-picks encounters, but that can't be right: none of the three picks we fought ever had more than 5% chance of killing us, and that sure doesn't sound like peer-level to me! I'm pretty sure peer-level correspond to four picks. That said acts of violence in war do qualify even if inflicted on weaker enemies, so there is that.
Overall, extremely powerful mitigation. It won't help us with our immediate problem but over the longer term it will be extremely valuable to Hunger.
Absolutely ridiculous. We can finally start training as fast as any other Progression-type Cursebearer while still benefiting from the full benefits of the Ring to exp from fights. The benefits for Archmage, in particular, are hard to overstate.
Argh... This one hurts a lot.... -1 ISH to all healing sucks to an incredible degree. Remember the early game when Hunger had to continually deal with damage penalties and negative conditions? I don't want that to be Hunger future...
The most relevant bonus from this is probably half a plus to progression, given that Ascendancy Halo gives +Progression. We also gets some Rank benefits that pale in the face of Inheritance presumably some bonuses to Naturalism. Kind of sad we never got a chance to explore what Naturalism is all about...
This is aesthetic is way too edgy for my taste. Being perpetually surrounded by crimson light and crimson Praxis, really?
+5 Accursed Favor! Making all our companions happy is great too I guess... Though it actually makes Letrizia sad so not entirely positive on that front either.
I mean that's nice, but I'd rather increase our chance of winning in the first place. We're a Progression-type Cursebearer, we can always resurrect the dead if we end up winning: we know the Life Domain of Archmage can do that for example.
Even the opening blurb warns us about the real problem with this option the longer we stall the more time we give to the Apocryphal to recharge its powers. And let's not forget the damage inflicted by Decimation...
Omni-applicable protection that only grow in might as the Cloak gets more damaged is a really nice stalling mechanic and would be super good if we could pair it up with a relevant offensive vector.
I don't think Comfy should be our priority right now...
Stats debuffs which are always guaranteed to be relevant are pretty nice but again we don't really have any viable offensive vectors, right now, to pair with all this defensive and debuffing capability. Also lol Aobaru.
"Even should they eventually perish, at least the peoples of Hunger's Realm will be rhapsodically content and filled with joy until they do."... I really feel like this option isn't putting its focus on the right place...
0.5 Stage of Apocryphal Mitigation is pretty damn good, but I don't know if it's going to be good enough to make Attrition a viable strategy. ++Accursed Favor is nice though less good than what Blood Halo gives, and +Progression is very nice and very relevant for the game plan associated with this option as well as for the future, though I'm not sure it compares favorably to the benefits of Blood Halo of half a plus to Progression combined with lifting the training malus from the ring. +800 All Stats is also a thing that exists, I suppose.
Not very efficient indeed and we really want the Mitigation of Apocryphal if we're going to try to pull this strategy of, but on the other hand can we afford to skip on these benefits, particularly the +0.3 ISH with the Maiden knocking at the door?
The fact that this option explicitly represent the act of procrastination as well as the warning about hoping it grants enough power to defend those indulgences is rather worrying to me...
Again, this is nice, but I'd rather improve our chances of victory.
Overall I have rather strong preference for Inheritance even if I'd be fine with Blood Halo too, even if I really dislike its aesthetic but, as a member of the Not Dying Gang, I simply cannot condone Imperishable Night.
So given all that and the fact that this might be the last vote of the quest, I'm going to call in my markers: @OctarineShrike and @BrainInAJar please vote for
[X] The Forebear's Blade - Inheritance
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