The Twin Holds: A Dwarf Karak Quest. (Warhammer Fantasy)

Kairos · Oct 26, 2021

IronFist said:
I have not actually seen bayonets on any warhammer units except dark elf crossbowmen.

Warhammer is generally set around a renaissance tech level. Bayonets don't really become prevalent in warfare until the 17-18th century in our world. The Empire is still fighting with pike and shot, though headcanon is they haven't developed very far along the progression of gunpowder tactics because their main enemies are all supernaturally tough and close into melee.

EVA-Saiyajin · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
Why, if I might ask?

In my experience it consistently rolls below average as the norm.

atrophy · Oct 26, 2021

My headcanon is 30 years war tech level and that the empire is with centuries of 100 years war between france and england and its devastation of france i guess .

BelligerentGnu · Oct 26, 2021

atrophy said:
please lets set up a "sniper" unit of 20-40 dwarfs probably with masterwork level guns from zhufbar and a few guns for our hitsquad as well.

I really don't know if you can have snipers without rifling technology.

Mayto said:
The Outpost description says that joining the Ranger Guild involves being given a crossbow and a suit of leather armour, and told to make one's way to Karak Skarrenruf alive.

That's a pretty cool initiation test, actually.

Sir_Travelsalot · Oct 26, 2021

BelligerentGnu said:
I really don't know if you can have snipers without rifling technology.

Rifling technology already is present in Warhammer, it's just not ubiquitous yet. And I'm pretty sure dwarf guns have been described as being rifled before.

Mayto · Oct 26, 2021

Sir_Travelsalot said:
Rifling technology already is present in Warhammer, it's just not ubiquitous yet. And I'm pretty sure dwarf guns have been described as being rifled before.

all Dwarf Handguns are rifled, with many of them being breach loaders.

Each Dwarf is expected to maintain their own weapons and armour, so some Thunderers will be using breach loaders, some muzzle loaders. But all rifled.

IronFist · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
all Dwarf Handguns are rifled, with many of them being breach loaders.

Each Dwarf is expected to maintain their own weapons and armour, so some Thunderers will be using breach loaders, some muzzle loaders. But all rifled.

So basically, up the caliber, add a scope and a tripod?

And maybe train ranger buddies to adjust for wind and distance?

Edit: do dwarfs use "loaded for troll" instead of "loaded for bear"?

DragonParadox · Oct 26, 2021

IronFist said:
So basically, up the caliber, add a scope and a tripod?

And maybe train ranger buddies to adjust for wind and distance?

Edit: do dwarfs use "loaded for troll" instead of "loaded for bear"?

I don't think you can kill a troll with a normal gun, no matter how large the caliber. you need fire to kill their regeneration or they will simply rise from the giblets you made of them, even if you blow up their brain. That is actually the backstory of Trogg the Troll King, his head got destroyed and it grew back... better.

IronFist · Oct 26, 2021

DragonParadox said:
I don't think you can kill a troll with a normal gun, no matter how large the caliber. you need fire to kill their regeneration or they will simply rise from the giblets you made of them, even if you blow up their brain. That is actually the backstory of Trogg the Troll King, his head got destroyed and it grew back... better.

Yea, the expression probably works better with "Urk". At least those can be killed with large caliber shots.

If you want to be loaded for Troll, you're going to need Irondrakes and Trollhammers

DeusFerreus · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
a Flakkson's Rune Of Seeking onto a mortar, and you've got homing mortar shells.

I wonder if some kind of runic concealment is possible.

Mayto · Oct 26, 2021

DeusFerreus said:
I wonder if some kind of runic concealment is possible.

That's the Master Rune of Disguise. It turns whatever it is runed invisible by bending light and perception.

IronFist · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
That's the Master Rune of Disguise. It turns whatever it is runed invisible by bending light and perception.

Can it be put on one of those heavy crossbows? Iirc it's an Engineering rune... which can be put on bolt throwers. And that crossbow is a Small bolt thrower

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Would make Ansgar really happy... but he'd have to go hunt the Reagents himself.

Mayto · Oct 26, 2021

IronFist said:
Can it be put on one of those heavy crossbows? Iirc it's an Engineering rune... which can be put on bolt throwers. And that crossbow is a Small bolt thrower .

Would make Ansgar really happy... but he'd have to go hunt the Reagents himself.

That's beyond any Runelords save Kragg. And he's had enough of you, that's for sure.

DragonParadox · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
That's beyond any Runelords save Kragg. And he's had enough of you, that's for sure.

Given how Bokri talks about Kragg I think it is fair to say the feeling is mutual.

Kairos · Oct 26, 2021

DragonParadox said:
Given how Bokri talks about Kragg I think it is fair to say the feeling is mutual.

Something tells me fate is going to bring them together again sooner than they would both like. Honestly I just find their relationship (or lack of one) , hilarious.

Beardling too hopeful to die vs Longbeard too grumpy to die

whydoesitmatter · Oct 26, 2021

[X]Encourage Vikki to stay the course

MiskWisk · Oct 26, 2021

DragonParadox said:
That is actually the backstory of Trogg the Troll King, his head got destroyed and it grew back... better.

Hmm...

*Checks wiki*

Bugger. Earliest confirmed date for Throgg is 2435. There goes the idea of potentially killing him. Only other named intelligent troll is Ugma and he's down in Karak Azgal.

IronFist · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
That's beyond any Runelords save Kragg. And he's had enough of you, that's for sure.

Gah, Kragg! Can't live with him, can't have awe inspiring rune weapons without him.

I guess Ansgar will have to keep sneaking about the hard way.

Edit: to be clear, it's the Miniaturization that's the issue, right?

Mayto · Oct 26, 2021

IronFist said:
Gah, Kragg! Can't live with him, can't have awe inspiring rune weapons without him.

I guess Ansgar will have to keep sneaking about the hard way.

Edit: to be clear, it's the Miniaturization that's the issue, right?

Yeah. Compressing all that runic power means modifying the rune. And Kragg doesn't share his runes. At most, he might show a technique for a rune that's already well known.

SkyAlphaAlpha · Oct 26, 2021

[X]Encourage Vikki to break completely with tradition

thefoolswriter · Oct 26, 2021

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[X]Encourage Vikki to stay the course: You don't want to risk a confrontation with the Guild, or for Vikki to do something she might one day regret. Her faith in Morgrim is damaged, but it still exists.
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[X] Encourage Vikki to break completely with tradition. The Engineer's Guild of Kraka Drak has proven to you that Engineers are fallible. Vikki should make whatever she wants, and use it whenever she feels like it. Perhaps just keep it in a secret workshop until needed.
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Mayto · Oct 26, 2021

Holy shit, that's a lot of votes.

DragonParadox · Oct 26, 2021

Mayto said:
Holy shit, that's a lot of votes.

We really feel passionately about being a moral dwarf thane.

IronFist · Oct 26, 2021

RANGER TRAINING MONTAGE SONG
Let's get down to business
To defeat the Urks
Did they send me Umgi
When I asked for Dawi?

You're the saddest bunch I ever met
But you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make dawr out of you

Tranquil as a forest
But on fire within
Once you find your center
You are sure to win

You're a spineless, tanned, short-bearded lot
And you haven't got a clue
Somehow I'll make dawr out of you

Be a dwarf!
You must be swift as the flying quarrel
Be a dwarf!
With all the force of a gromril hammer
Be a dwarf!
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of Gormlhune

Time is racing toward us
'Til the Urks arrive
Heed my every order
And you might survive

You must be swift as the flying quarrel
(Be a dwarf)
With all the force of a gromril hammer
(Be a dwarf)
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon
You must be swift as a flying quarrel
(Be a dwarf)
With all the force of a gromril hammer
(Be a dwarf)
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of Gormlhune

--
Any suggestion for replacing "raging fire"?
@Mayto: not sure if this qualifies as an omake, but it was fun to make anyway

Sir_Travelsalot · Oct 26, 2021

IronFist said:
Any suggestion for replacing "raging fire"?

Could just go the simple route and replace it with 'dragon's fire', though I'm not sure you'd structure 'drakkzharr' to fit in there in the lyrics if you want the Khazalid version.

The Twin Holds: A Dwarf Karak Quest. (Warhammer Fantasy)

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