What I'm hearing here is that these Mathilde's Map papers could be rewritten as "minimum publishable units" to milk for College Favor at the cost of AP to raise quality :V since we probably won't be seeing much College Favor from the top secret Skaven papers that even our way of discovering has to be top secret.
College Favour for those goes to Magister Grey.

I do not envy the poor guy who has to keep the favour total of Magister Grey accurate. :V

On a less humourous note, we have gotten College Favour for classified stuff in DL before, so it is possible.
 
Actually, before I update the vote for Algard report, what's the rationale for not including anything about Vlag in the " Plan Wire - Vlag " plan?
 
What I'm hearing here is that these Mathilde's Map papers could be rewritten as "minimum publishable units" to milk for College Favor at the cost of AP to raise quality :V since we probably won't be seeing much College Favor from the top secret Skaven papers that even our way of discovering has to be top secret.
There are already modifiers for this in the existing paper rating system from DL:
Anonymous, -1: Circumstances dictate that the true author of the paper is concealed from the general public.
Classified, -2: Only those trusted by the Empire can access the material written of in this paper.
So we'd be at a cumulative -3 CF per paper, but that's only one worse than the originals IIRC. We'll still be making out like bandits for CF in comparison to where we were at this point in the original timeline, in other words.
 
So we'd be at a cumulative -3 CF per paper, but that's only one worse than the originals IIRC. We'll still be making out like bandits for CF in comparison to where we were at this point in the original timeline, in other words.
Anonymous and Classified don't stack.
Internal Mechanisms of the Ratling Gun, and How to Foil Them, By M. Grey (Grey), M. Gold (Gold), 2483.
Winning the War Below, 2483.
[Internal Mechanisms of the Ratling Gun, and How to Foil Them, 2483. Subject: Rare, +1. Insight: Revolutionary, +2. Delivery: Dull, -1. Precious, +1. Thorough, +1. Tactically Significant: +2. Classified, -2. Total: +4.]
[Winning the War Below, 2483. Subject: Uncommon, +0. Insight: Confirming, +1. Delivery: Competent, +0. Thorough, +1. Varied, +1. Alien, +1. Accessible, +1. Tactically Significant, +2. Classified, -2. Total: +5.]
You'll note that both Internal Mechanisms of the Ratling Gun, which lists us as M. Grey, and Winning the War Below, which doesn't even have a listed author, only give us the -2 malus of Classified.

So in this continuity, where Journeywoman Mathilde Weber cannot be linked to the author of the groundbreaking papers she rewrites for Algard, how I suspect it will work is that even our non-classified work will get slapped with the -1 for Anonymous, but our Classified work won't suffer penalties unless kingreaper moves it up from Classified to Top Secret or Eyes Only.
Top Secret, -3: Only those whose loyalty to the Empire is beyond question are allowed to know that the paper even exists.
Eyes Only, -4: The paper concerns matters so dangerous or sensitive that it can only be made available to those with an immediate and pressing need for the information.
 
Top Secret, -3: Only those whose loyalty to the Empire is beyond question are allowed to know that the paper even exists.
Eyes Only, -4: The paper concerns matters so dangerous or sensitive that it can only be made available to those with an immediate and pressing need for the information.
It can go up to -4.

I think some may end up -3 this time.
Actually, before I update the vote for Algard report, what's the rationale for not including anything about Vlag in the " Plan Wire - Vlag " plan?
Why would we ask to go on an expedition to Vlag which does not even exist yet?
Algard has made clear his priority is the skaven.

Mathilde's job currently is Sylvania.
 
Why would we not? Asking is free, and when you're going to want something in the future you will very rarely be disadvantaged by making that known up front.
I doubt that asking is free.
It will certainly inform Algard that our priorities are different than his.

Algard has gotten all the info we had and decided the Skaven are the highest priority.
So much so that he has asked us to fake an injury to have more time to work for him.

And given how bad a Skaven Civil war can go should it spill onto the surface I can't blame him.
 
Eyes Only would apply to the K8P expedition stuff, but otherwise you or Algard should be able to cut out anecdotes to get things down to Classified
 
I've just remembered:
We don't have a gun anymore, nor shadow knives. We might want to spend some gold on a gun while in Altdorf.
It aint a dwarven one, but we are unlikely to get one till we meet them again.
 
I doubt that asking is free.
It will certainly inform Algard that our priorities are different than his.

Algard has gotten all the info we had and decided the Skaven are the highest priority.
So much so that he has asked us to fake an injury to have more time to work for him.

And given how bad a Skaven Civil war can go should it spill onto the surface I can't blame him.
For the record, when I wrote "Suggest that Mathilde have a leading position in the Karak Vlag expedition, if the timeline fits" on that plan, it was meant to prioritize having Mathilde along when rescuing Vlag happens (whenever that might be, for example after dealing with the Skaven), not to prioritize rescuing Vlag itself.
Since the context for that plan is Algard asking what else Mathilde has to add, which seems a reasonable time to bring up stuff that's either more classified or less urgent.
 
I care about Vlag, but it's not time-sensitive and we can always poke Algard about it later. I care more about defeating the leading Algard plan that throws Regimand under the bus, so I'm approval-voting both Wire variants.
 
For the record, when I wrote "Suggest that Mathilde have a leading position in the Karak Vlag expedition, if the timeline fits" on that plan, it was meant to prioritize having Mathilde along when rescuing Vlag happens (whenever that might be, for example after dealing with the Skaven), not to prioritize rescuing Vlag itself.
Since the context for that plan is Algard asking what else Mathilde has to add, which seems a reasonable time to bring up stuff that's either more classified or less urgent.
Not how I read it the first time, but on a reread I can see it.
I still don't think it's important to bring up now.

I do however strongly object to telling anyone more about the Coin.
IIRC he still thinks it's only a Divine Artifact of the Gambler with no idea what it actually does.
 
Same, my only problem with it is the part about the Coin. I don't want to tell anyone about its effects.
I'm not sure if you meant that as internal musing on Mathilde's part or as arguments to tell Algard.
 
[X][Algard Report] Tell him about the Lahmian Conspiracy's full membership, and about Regimand's execution of the Empress. It was something you'd rather keep internal to the Grey College and not inform anyone else. We have the list Abelhelm created up until his death, Regimand had his own list.

[X][Boon] Knighthood (A small fief somewhere on Stirland Leagues lands and a noble title that may come in handy in future)

[X] [Abel Report] Algard's Excuse

[X] [Council Report] Original and Marks

[X] [Suggested Orders] Benefits of Foresight - Drakenhof
 
We don't have a gun anymore, nor shadow knives. We might want to spend some gold on a gun while in Altdorf.
It aint a dwarven one, but we are unlikely to get one till we meet them again.
Zhufbar does border Stirland, and with Shadowsteed + our mastery of said that's really all we need. Runic items require DF, but dwarven craftsmanship is generally available to those as can pay. Picking up a revolver or two would absolutely be worthwhile IMO, if we can get the money. So that's a good catch.
1) There's only Algard and us in the room. Plenty of plausible deniability left. We are both professionals and know when to keep quiet.
2) The future is not set in stone. Who knows what the empress will whisper in the emperor's ear in this timeline.
3) Regimand does not have his list to the same degree as he had it back in DL, because he had more time to assemble it. IIRC we were never told it, we only know Abel's list and whatever we got from that one Dame we killed in her bed.
4) We did try to trust Regimand here as well, it's not our fault he didn't listen. Or rather didn't even allow us to speak quite literally.
I wanted to respond to this since I realized I didn't ever get to it before.
1. While the definition of "plausible deniability" can vary, AFAIK the version most often used in the intelligence community is withholding information from superiors so that if necessary they can honestly testify that they never knew about the [whatever] in question, and that's the definition I was using. Especially since this is a setting where magical means to tell if someone's lying are IIRC not unheard of.
2. ...Huh? Literally huh? I genuinely don't even know what you're trying to say here. Because it feels like you're trying to suggest we might want to keep someone who's been conspiring with vampires as the Empress, but that can't be right, can it?
3. ...So? We don't currently have a reason to think this has somehow become more urgent than it was before. And giving Regimand Abel's list wouldn't just give him more info, it would give him a lot of leads to follow up on. This would absolutely be enough to kick things into overdrive already, and honestly I'm not sure what you expect Algard to do that's better than "I'll assign a trusted Magister who's already fully briefed and actually already working on this to work on it, along with all his allies and professional contacts."
4. I'm not sure it's really his fault, either. From his perspective he thought, not without reason, that we were very likely an impostor who had taken his apprentice's place. Meaning that we were either the captor or the murderer of the "real Mathilde." Remember how he was looking at us with a mix of hate and concern? That wasn't because he has some secret problem with his apprentice. It's the expression of someone out of their mind with worry over their surrogate daughter and hoping against all their professional instincts that she's still alive somewhere. Repaying him with what I honestly can't see as anything other than a betrayal truly sticks in my throat.
 
So, additional option for those who want to tell about Vlag but not mention the Coin:
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire + Vlag - Coin
-[X] Ask for Regimand to be read in on the Time conspiracy, partly for his sake as your Master
-[X] Partly because you have incomplete future information about a high-ranking Lahmian conspiracy that Regimand was responsible for taking down
-[X] Suggest that Mathilde have a leading position in the Karak Vlag expedition, if the timeline fits, both because she did it once before and because she knows dwarves well and can help avoid an incident with Vlag

Just hoping to sway people away from betraying Regimand.

Also, my previous votes:
[X][Boon] Knighthood (A small fief somewhere on Stirland Leagues lands and a noble title that may come in handy in future)
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire - Vlag
 
2. ...Huh? Literally huh? I genuinely don't even know what you're trying to say here. Because it feels like you're trying to suggest we might want to keep someone who's been conspiring with vampires as the Empress, but that can't be right, can it?
I was arguing to tell Algard because we don't want the Lahmian-corrupted Empress kept near the Emperor.
How you got from that that I want to keep her I don't understand.
 
I was arguing to tell Algard because we don't want the Lahmian-corrupted Empress kept near the Emperor.
How you got from that that I want to keep her I don't understand.
Not gonna lie, Fayhem's original interpretation is how I read it, too. I can kinda see your side now that you've explained but that wasn't what I thought originally. However, telling only Regimand would result in the Empress being dealt with anyway, so I think the point is invalid.
 
I think we should tell Algard mostly because he ordered us to not tell Regimand about the time travel. Without being able to tell him, telling Algard is the most expeditious way of getting it handled. Lahmian infiltrators are a real issue and the fact that they ensnared the Empress is cause for major concern.

Plus, we got our job because of them. We kinda need to deal with them before we start deviating from what they predict, which Algard's plans for us will do.
 
Not gonna lie, Fayhem's original interpretation is how I read it, too. I can kinda see your side now that you've explained but that wasn't what I thought originally. However, telling only Regimand would result in the Empress being dealt with anyway, so I think the point is invalid.
3. ...So? We don't currently have a reason to think this has somehow become more urgent than it was before. And giving Regimand Abel's list wouldn't just give him more info, it would give him a lot of leads to follow up on. This would absolutely be enough to kick things into overdrive already, and honestly I'm not sure what you expect Algard to do that's better than "I'll assign a trusted Magister who's already fully briefed and actually already working on this to work on it, along with all his allies and professional contacts."
Assign some of his Hands to it perhaps?
Regimand already did not roll up the entire conspiracy on his own in the DL timeline.

So Algard will learn of it once Regimand decides it's time to roll up.
Now to what will both Algard and Regimand react better?

Will Algard forgive and forget that we didn't mention to him that the Empress is a Lahmian agent?
Will Regimand forgive that we informed Algard about him blundering into being blackmailed? And then successfully turn it around into dismantling the network?

I think the second is more likely than the first.

Yes we should talk to Regimand to clear the air a bit though.
 
Alright, seems reasonable enough, changing my vote

[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire - Vlag

[X][Boon] Knighthood (A small fief somewhere on Stirland Leagues lands and a noble title that may come in handy in future)

[X] [Abel Report] Algard's Excuse

[X] [Council Report] Original and Marks

[X] [Suggested Orders] Benefits of Foresight - Drakenhof
 
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire - Vlag
[X] [Algard Report] Plan Wire + Vlag - Coin
[X][Boon] Knighthood (A small fief somewhere on Stirland Leagues lands and a noble title that may come in handy in future)
[X] [Council Report] Original and Marks
[X] [Suggested Orders] Benefits of Foresight - Drakenhof
[X] [Abel Report] Algard's Excuse

Yeah, I'm fine with trusting Regimand to sort out the conspiracy. He managed it before after all. One thing I was wondering about though, was the help he might get from Elspeth von Draken. Last time around, I remember that she helped because it was a way to secure her position as the next Matriarch of the Amethyst's. I assume Regimand had favours available that he traded that helped her in this regard. This time, Hexensohn is still around and hasn't killed himself looking for artifacts under Drakenhof.
 
Yeah, I'm fine with trusting Regimand to sort out the conspiracy. He managed it before after all. One thing I was wondering about though, was the help he might get from Elspeth von Draken. Last time around, I remember that she helped because it was a way to secure her position as the next Matriarch of the Amethyst's. I assume Regimand had favours available that he traded that helped her in this regard. This time, Hexensohn is still around and hasn't killed himself looking for artifacts under Drakenhof.
Where was it confirmed that Elspeth was the Amethyst he got help from?
 
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