[X] Archsmith's Hammer + Evoker's Panoply
[X] Build Cleanup


Imagine Irridesence with Armour of Midnight up. Everything below universe scale would be rendered completely mundane, with the 0.5 Rank penalty given to enemies because of Adorie Armaments would be easily beaten with AoM active.
 
Imagine Irridesence with Armour of Midnight up. Everything below universe scale would be rendered completely mundane

The Armor of Midnight already effectively does that with its exotic defense function, plus Hunger already has 14x strength All-Defeating Stance! The marginal value from Iridescence is fairly minimal here.
 
See, now that blade-winds have basically disappeared from our fights in favor of Artful Thorn and melee strikes that actually benefit form Cut Through, Headsman is an incredible value pick-up that enhances the ways we actually use the Forebear's Blade; concerns about it at the time are kind of silly with the benefit of retrospect. Getting it now costs little and gives us a ton of stats.

However, I still want Build Clean-up out of sheer desire to finally get them after so long.

[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Build Cleanup

Refinement of Battle doesn't affect speed, and with Companions we want Gisena to actively participate in fights. The Artifice build is pretty greedy in the immediate term, especially since Auspice Temporal will enhance it in the future any way. Why not get the powers that make her combat relevant now and go for the greed next time when she'd already have all she needs combat wise and can freely scale?

Prudence now for benefit later! A bit hypocritical of me to say this, but I'm told some of you follow such a motto. Why not execute it this time then?
 
Hopefully the thread liked the surprise. YA Aeira was just a smoke screen. Don't forget the ADS auto defense - (50x2.1+22x1.6)x17.5x14 = 34349 Ruin.

[X] Make Whole + Sealing Protocol Level I
[X] Build Cleanup
 
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Btw @Rihaku, how relevant would you say is Honing right now? I think Honing gets us up to about 20 WITS before multipliers, btw, so I was wondering how noticeable +10 INT in combat would be.
 
I must stress that we have no idea what we will find in the Human Sphere or if we will be thrust into battle immediately; betting that Gisena will have time to craft stuff is ultimately a gamble. The future benefits are certainly great, but our chances get better as long as we survive anyway; that's just how a Progression-type works. Securing an asset such as Gisena on the battlefield is likely going to be relevant in most situations we may find ourselves in, especially should the thread continue with it's decision making.

We have also no idea about what targets Huntress' Moon will offer once we return, and it's something we need to do basically immediately. The Vanquisher build would be relevant in a great variety of scenarios, while the Artificing build wouldn't have any use at all.

We really just need another month to get Gisena into real high-gear; and she will already have Auspice Temporal for even greater potential. Just keep steady now and we can reap better benefits later.
 
[X] Archsmith's Hammer + Evoker's Panoply
[X] Build Cleanup
 
[X] Write-in: Make Whole + Auspice Temporal
Because on the one hand I still want to resurrect daylia*shot*
...ahem. on the one hand I still want that, but I also'd rather a cooldown time shorter then a year on it, and I don't want to give up on her research acceleration completely. so this vote is kind of a compromise.
[X] Save
none of this seems That good and I thiiink there's one more build vote after this we might want Arete for
 
[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Archsmith's Hammer + Evoker's Panoply
[X] Flight of Falling Stars


I'm torn between Grace choices (I'd be embarrassed to vote for DYING when Grail Keeper is up), but I think you guys are seriously underestimating the value of 3x Deathly Star. Remember that it scales with Rank, and we just got another major boost to our Rank growth!
 
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Attempting a tally...
Adhoc vote count started by Tyrant_Rayne on Dec 14, 2020 at 8:43 PM, finished with 38 posts and 17 votes.
 
[X] Archsmith's Hammer + Evoker's Panoply
[X] Flight of Falling Stars


3x deathly star, 3x silver of evening, 3x quickness, don't pass up another easily attainable broken praxis move
 
3x deathly star, 3x silver of evening, 3x quickness, don't pass up another easily attainable broken praxis move
Silver is actually legit OP with it. Dodge 3 Ultimates and laugh at them.
[X] Make Whole + Sealing Protocol Level I
[X] Build Cleanup


I would still urge the thread to go for Sealing Protocol. Fighting with fractured blade is ...bad, trust me on that
 
[X] Clarion Grace + Mental Apex
[X] Flight of Falling Stars


Ultimately, this is a bit of a gamble, but I feel like it isn't much of one. If Gisena gains even a 25% bonus to research speed, then it's likely that it'll only be 2 weeks or so until she can grab her Make Whole/Sealing Protocol I Grace, considering how much her recent Rank-Up has accelerated things. The Flight allows us to blast our Decimation Target from a distance with Deathly Star three times, hopefully weakening it enough to avoid risking the Forebear's Blade with the benefits Refinement of Battle has provided to Deathly Star, which should be enough to buy us sufficient time for her to grab it.

Of course, we could get lucky and our Apocryphal proc is a Decimation Target, but there remains the risk that it ends up being a separate monstrosity. That's the big gamble here. That Apocryphal doesn't do something that screws us over IMMEDIATELY, like drop another Armament on our heads with a Shroud well-suited to countering us, which isn't a Decimation Target because it, I don't know, is tied to Tyrant instead. So, I fully understand if Make Whole and Sealing Protocol are voted for on that end.
 
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Well, let's try and catch up a bit more...
It was a cool, clear, cloudless night, the moon pale and bare like carved crystal, crown-jewel of the skies presiding over the winds and realms beneath. They crunched through the snow-frosted path to reach the public baths, expansive panels of richly oiled wood towering menacingly to shield the occupants from onlookers.

"Let's get a private pool," Gisena said, flipping the jeweled key on her wrist. "There are some reserved for suite holders only!"

"Suddenly shy?" He raised an eyebrow.

"Of course!" Gisena clasped her hands meekly. "I'm just an innocent maiden, after all..."
I'm somewhat surprised she even knows the word "innocent"!

"I'd like a private pool," Letrizia said, eyes darting to and fro. "You never know when there might be perverts lurking about."

"Fine, lead the way."

They entered a smaller pool inset to the side. Though thick wooden panels obstructed horizontal vision, the panels facing outwards could be lowered, allowing bathers to take in the view. Below them was the serene darkness of the mountain outside giving way slowly to the jewel-fire glow of the city beneath. It was a breathtaking vista, and Hunger spent a moment simply absorbing the sight before leaning the Forebear's Blade against a wall, then entering the bath.
Truly the Kaguya is a wonderful resort.

I wonder about the prices though. At this point I expect the reward for killing the rotbeast would maybe be enough for... what, a week? Maybe two?

Really, these are absurd prices!

Gisena pushed Letrizia in, then daintily slid in herself, carefully gathering her hair to twist into a water-resistant bun. Letrizia surfaced angrily, sputtering, and lashed out with a wave of water and Pressure that Gisena effortlessly dodged. Pouting, Letrizia sank beneath the surface, blowing bubbles at the two of them.

"Stupid nullification aura, let my Pressure through..."
Letrizia, if you want to get one over Gisena you're going to need the help of either Hunger OR Verschle.

or, possibly, both.

Gisena turned to him. "What do you think of our swimsuits, hun? Rather fetching, if I do say so myself!" Hers was a two-piece bikini of pale violet, with lace-like patterns adorning the sides.

He grunted. "Is all your clothing the same color as your hair?"

"Pretty much!" She splashed over to him, leaning onto the stones beside the pond. Looked out at the city, a slight smile graced her features. "It's hard to find shades that go well with purple. You're welcome to expand my wardrobe if you'd like..."

"Maybe after you pay off your debt," he remarked, slumping forward and briefly closing his eye. The waters held a steady, intense heat that felt almost as if they were massaging his muscles, gentle warmth that pervaded through to bone and marrow.
Is Hunger taking the first steps along the path to Nameless' greed? I don't expect Gisena to be quite as vulnerable as Suizhen was though...

"Aw," Gisena brushed playfully against him, hauntingly beautiful in the moonlight. "Sure I can't take out another line of credit?"

"It would be inadvisable. Debt can crush even a genius."

"But money is just a social construct!"
I assure you that, with our reality warping powers, we can make it quite real and binding if we want!

Letrizia swam over, nose upturned haughtily. "Miss Gisena, I still haven't forgiven you! Lord Hunger, do you want to review sparring partners for tomorrow?"

"Oh my, the wrath of a duchess!" Gisena winked at him. "Her fury knows no bounds! I'd best retreat before she turns truly serious."

So saying, she dove and emerged on the opposite side of the pool, sighing contentedly as she lounged against the stones.

"Only if you don't call me a lord. Now, sparring partners. Is your notebook waterproof?"

eh, Letrizia really respects us a lot.

So does Gisena, admittedly... but they show it in completely different ways.

They're good companions, really, and they're good for Hunger's mental health. I wonder if Letrizia will be interested in coming with us on our next indenture quest... Gisena more than likely will, but Letrizia could make for a decent empress once we need to leave, especially if we manage to find a way to extend her lifespan enough.
"I don't need it!" Letrizia said cheerfully. "Now with my Element enhancing my Rank, the information I need comes easily to mind with just a quick review."

"I'm proud of you."

She preened. "Well, i-it's not that big a deal. T-this is just kids' stuff compared to what I'll ultimately be able to achieve."

well, SharpBright. It was in the name.

I'm also imagining Hunger saying that in a complete monotone, and Letrizia STILL going all blushing/preening :V

They discussed tactics and likely opponents both for the spars themselves and the potential recruitment to follow. Hunger was uncertain if their party wanted another member to look after, especially one that would need to be protected as nearly all Elementalists did, but couldn't avoid the fact that the Elements she described had undeniable utility in breaching the Temple.
short term it's about the power, long term it's about the character. If we don't like him/her there's no point keeping them around after all. We can always find someone else more compatible.

"So, tell me about your own Element, Hunger! You said it helped you beat the Rotspawn today, but what does it actually do?"

"It's a force of indiscriminate enhancement that applies to anyone immersed within. As far as I can tell, it works on all faculties of body and mind, on foe as well as friend."

"Interesting!" Gisena appeared next to Letrizia, who startled as if jolted. "Fire a bolt? I'd like to take a look."

"I can't really fire bolts..." Hunger said. "The smallest blast is still the size of a car."

"Cars are fascinating!" Gisena replied easily. "It's translucent force, right? No one will notice!"

He loosed a blast at them. Letrizia cowered slightly before she exclaimed in awe, looking at her palms as if they held the secrets of the universe. Gisena adopted a contemplative expression before smiling smugly.
Letrizia might get an addiction to Edeldross, better be careful :rofl:

"This almost feels like findross!" She said. "Incredible, I think this is a precursor substance to actual findross itself. Blast us again, I want to test a theory..."

Shrugging, he did so. In response she raised a palm, intercepting his blast with her own Nullity.

"As I thought. The energy isn't being nullified - that is to say, the power of Nullity isn't rendering this Element mundane. Instead, they're actually cancelling each other out! I think this contains the parts of findross that uplift and restore, elevating the mundane to the supernal. In a sense, it can be considered the opposite of my own power!"

She scooted happily over to him. "It's just as I said earlier. We're a perfect pair!"
mh... a limited resurrection ability should not be out of question then given time...

"Hm..." Letrizia thoughtfully tapped the side of the pool. "Your Element's pretty cool, Lord Hunger, even if it's not as good as my Sharpbright. If it really is related to findross as Miss Gisena says, maybe we can call it edeldross? The prefix 'edel-' refers to ennobling or improvement, especially in the context of something traditionally bad becoming good. Don't you think it suits you?"

"A fine name, but do I come off as evil?" All of his current panoply had been Abducted from one villain or another. The Forebear's Blade, the Ring from the Tyrant; even the Evening Sky had belonged to that pirate captain, though in a diminished form.

"Yep," Letrizia said obliviously, "but don't worry, it's kinda cool! And I'm sure no one would mistake your intentions once they see your work!"

"I don't know," Gisena said. "I've seen plenty of Paladins and Knight-Captains with that color scheme, or at least similar ones! I'm sure people would mistake you as a hero if you smiled more."

"That part of my life is finished. I'm done with taking on requests for strangers with no expectation of reward."

Letrizia looked slightly disappointed. "But isn't that the best part of heroing?"
eh, there's plenty of heroes looking like villains, and villains looking like heroes.

And really, Letrizia, that's only funny in stories. Try to BE the hero who never gets rewarded and you'll soon change your mind.

...I still am very annoyed at all the anime/games/franchises in which the main character is a hero, he OBVIOUSLY is saving the world, or even has saved it, multiple times... and they NEVER get rewarded for it.

Is it too much to ask for, say, a Patreon for them? Like poor Peter Parker aka Spiderman, or the sailor senshi in sailor moon, or the various digidestined children in ALL the digimon franchises (except maybe Savers, where they actually work for a government agency, though I don't think they really pay them what they're worth...), or many of the not-government based power ranger teams...

Like, take Digimon Adventure. the Digidestined saved the world multiple times, the FBI and similar groups KNOW of them, sometime they ASK them for help... but somehow they never consider hiring them, or rewarding them.

And that applies to many, TOO MANY, franchises...

well, ramble is over, let's move on

They discussed his choice of wardrobe for several minutes more, to his moderate dismay. Tired out from overusing her Element, Letrizia eventually trailed off, mumbling to herself as she slowly fell asleep.

"I'll carry her back," Hunger volunteered, but Gisena laid a soft hand against his arm, eyes gentle and green.

"Let her rest here for a bit. The waters may help with her Elemental exhaustion."

"..."
why, that's so thoughtful of you Gisena!

..so, what's the real reason?

"What?" She swirled around to face him directly, crossing arms beneath her cleavage. "You don't believe me?"

"...Are you trying to make her pruney again?"

Gisena giggled. "Maybe I want you to carry me instead! You have two arms, so there's no excuse to skimp out on a full princess carry."
:V

I honestly wonder if she's actually interested in Hunger, or if she just likes flirting like this.

"Hmph. I do owe you one for the Magus fight. Here to our room is a pretty short stretch. You okay with that?"

"Good point!"

She leaned back, raising one pale, slender foot out of the water. "Perhaps you can give me a massage instead?"

"You slacked off the whole day, why do you need a massage?"

She gently kicked water at him, which the Evening Sky obligingly deflected. "Why not? It's a continuance of my relaxation!"

"Fine. Come here."
Gisena roll: nat 100.

Crit!

The next day they set out bright and early, though the hotel staff did their best to have them stay, even offering free nights if he would but fight the Rotspawn again. Despite the tremendous economic value of their proposal, Hunger had to deny them, though he didn't rule out attacking the Rotbeast if they happened to pass through this region again. Their vacation was drawing to a close - one last bit of training against Letrizia's classmates, and he would make for the Temple again.

They'd gained much from this trip; in many senses it had been more productive than attacking the Temple directly. But every day delayed was unnecessary suffering heaped upon the Imprisoned Ring. Hunger would see to its rescue as soon as possible; other paths were unacceptable to him.

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Shame they didn't succeed.. but surely we can come back later, just for a day or two!

I imagine their government would have rewarded them handsomely if they managed to convince us...

[X] Infiltration with [X] Shadowcord has won. Gisena's Relationship EFB will be revealed later!

Choose a bonus:

[ ] +1 pick below
[ ] +1 re-roll during Infiltration
[ ] +.75 Arete


From sparring with the (temporary) (false) classmates of Letrizia, Hunger receives 1 pick, or 2 if the appropriate bonus was chosen above. Choose wisely, this may or may not be your last chance before infiltration attempts begin!
mh.. I'm fine with the winning options, Shadowcord was probably my favourite anyway, and we can at the very least use the payment from the Rotbeast as an excuse to come back. We can use the reward to pay her after all, plus there will likely be some gratitude for freeing her people from this threat.

generally speaking I prefer the +pick, but the re-roll is also good. It really depends on the picks below.

[ ] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear - Cloud-shadow of the Forebear's might.
Legendary strength and speed, and the resilience to exert them. Can be taken multiple times. [+Might, +Agility]

[ ] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete
A ring of power does not exert influence casually. It has its own will, its own preferences, and if that will should be inseparable from its owner's, its sway thereby shall be greater for it.

The available domains for Hunger are: War

[ ] Fierce Quickening
- The absurd violence of Blood unleashed. Let all that falls within its dominion be spilled, if it be in service to the Ringbearer. Adds [++Agility, +Wits] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions. Can be taken up to 3 times.

[ ] Augment Dominion: Blood - The world-wielding will of the Ring.
Treat the wielder's Rank as if it were (.5 Low/.25 Medium/.1 High) higher for purposes of the [Ring of Power] effect applied to the Blood domain, increasing its potency and versatility. Repeatable, but costs 1 more pick each time.

[ ] Exalted Spirit - 2 Arete. Conjunctional [Hunger, Evening Sky]. Mind made vigorous as the body. Gain +Int, +Wits, +Wis, +Cha, -Heartlessness, while in a form with physical blood. Allies under blood enhancement gain +Int, +Cha. Blood enhancement requires physical blood.

[ ] Sublime Transfusion - 2 Arete. The restorative vigor of blood willingly given. The wielder may donate his blood to another in order to heal them. This applies regeneration at a rate triple the wielder's own, and this healing effect is treated as if possessing conceptual potency a full Rank higher than the wielder's baseline, minimum 7. Even organisms of different species can be revitalized through such means.



here's all the old (but not for this bad) picks.

Echo is not quite as interesting anymore when we can instead take the blood enhancements, ring I'm always tempted to take but there's the problem of us needing more power for the temple, so I'm mostly resigned to wait for AFTER the temple before we REALLY start working again towards Ruling Ring...

I think Exalted Spirit would be a really good choise right now, we could use all the mental enhancements for the infiltration, and as another carrot to the mercenary. Sublime transfusion is nice, and it's certainly good for healing Verschle (or as another bargaining chip either in the temple or with the mercenary, EVERYONE loves improved regen...), but I'm not especially interested right now.



[ ] Vigor Incarnate - 2 picks, 2 Arete. The glory of Blood triumphant. Let those who would stand against him cower, or be undone. A simple but exceptionally powerful option.

Adds [+++Might, ++Charisma] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions.
Add your Charisma to your Protection.

..wait, is this to EACH quickening? we had 2, right?

Even if it was only one though this is pretty nice. +++ might means both strenght and constitution/endurance (can't remember what it was called), and ++ charisma AND charisma added to protection is also a nice boost, though it's admittedly not as good as it sounds with our protection that behind the rest of our abilities.

Still, this makes charisma options better picks for the future, and it's a nice extra.

[ ] Edeldross Adept - 2 picks, 2 Arete. Conjunctional [Ring of Power, Evening Sky] Through a surge of genius, Hunger vastly accelerates the growth of his proficiency with Edeldross.

*Substantially improves the effects of Hunger's Edeldross training session, increasing Magnitude to +30% and imparting significant bonuses to control. He can now consistently form barriers, blasts, and basic shapes (spear, sword, boxing glove) from Edeldross.
*Hunger can now maintain close to 100% uptime on basic self Edeldross enhancement.
*Unlocks advanced Edeldross enhancement, a time-limited technique that increases his effective Magnitude by half again.
*Doubles the rate of pseudo-Grace creation in the future. This benefit is unique to the Advancement.

Certainly another good option, not much more to say
[ ] Evening Sky: Shadowlord - 2 picks, 7 Arete. It's rare that such conjunctions occur, but the cloak of Evening has unusual affinity for the Elements of shadow. By absorbing the power of an Element willingly offered, some of its attributes may be infused into the wearer.

*+30% AGI, +30% Manipulation
*Gain +++++++Stealth, ++++Theft
*Weave of Silence: Immune to sound- and music-based attacks.
*Attention-Deflecting Shroud: +Protection from the Evening Sky now adds to Stealth.
*Assassin's Grace: 100% Critical Strike chance when performed from ambush.

*In exchange for paying Shadowcord a kingly sum of money, she will agree to let Hunger absorb her Element. This is not a permanent reduction; her ability to summon it will return slowly over the course of two years.
*Needless to say it's far more effective to have such capabilities present in Hunger himself than to rely on relatively-weak external sources
*Consumes one additional day as you farm the money needed.

...:o

:jackiechan:


WANT!

just the +30% agi is worth a LOT to our build (which is very agi-centric), but 7+ stealth and 4+ theft, with future protection ALSO granting stealth? This certainly makes the various -descence upgrades A LOT more interesting too!

stealth, theft and manipulation are ALL very good for infiltration, this allows us to get the ability without the baggage of having to protect a mostly vulnerable surgecrafter, she gets the money she wanted... everybody wins!

Sure, it's expensive.. but I think it's worth it.


..was THIS where the irony came from for my previous reaction, I wonder? That I was thinking about all the "possible future with the mercenary", when we're actually only taking her power (well, part of it) with us?

well, we'll see!

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I am now salty we did not take battle armor. I feel quite vindicated. If only the thread could listen to my wisdom, we would have both power and potential. Such a shame.
EBA was legit the best option but you had to know about the ??? stuff. I was not allowed to tell the thread about the wish content as it would be too much sway. Still, companions is good. But we were this👌 close to greatness.
 
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