A few things to consider about Follow Through.

First, the inverted build vote. We might have to vote after the Shattering Blow on what to keep from our various advancements, and that vote would be absolute hell. A lot of us are very invested in our favorite upgrades, and being forced into a fight over which to keep and which to discard would get divisive fast. I think the resulting argument could become very, very nasty, and that leads into my second point.

Shattering Blow doesn't just sacrifice Hunger's identity - it sacrifices the thread as well. There's a lot of people that are very, very put off by the Shattering Blow, who's participation in the thread might decrease or even disappear if Follow Through wins. And then the inverted build vote afterwards could drive away even more people as a result of the huge amount of salt such a vote would necessarily produce. We could lose a lot of participation if Follow Through wins, and for this quest in particular thread activity is very important.

In conclusion, I worry that Follow Through might cause enough OOC damage to kill the quest just as surely as Hunger actually dying. Maybe we'll handle the inverted build vote better then I think we will, or maybe Rihaku will just pick for us, but the concern about participation dropping because of salt over Follow Through is a real one I think.
I don't really buy this rationale, as it can be used to handwave any proposition that suffers any kind of loss. I don't think many people will care if we burn Signs, Silver, Outer Shadow or Bloodcasting away.

Needless to say, amount of salt generated by losing certain Advancements(i can make a list, most of which people really don't think much about anyway) would be nothing compared to amount of salt if we actually die. Especially if we grease it with Heroic Progression to Cut Through and 5 pick (Defining, perhaps) Advancement to soothe the loss.

Like, I really don't think that many of people who are currently voting for Shroud expect us to die. And, at the same time, they also don't expect any consequences from picking Shroud. What I'm seeing is people trying to hide away from reality of situation and hope that everything will work out, somehow. And then everyone will act surprised when option liable to kills us actually does exactly that.

I would consider FDS gambit if we actually got 6th prior, but as it stands it's just too risky. Just tank the cost. We can do it. There is no need to take a leap of faith when can just expend mere effort.
 
What I'm seeing is people trying to hide away from reality of situation and hope that everything will work out, somehow. And then everyone will act surprised when option liable to kills us actually does exactly that.

Is "option that has chance to fail has chance to fail" supposed to be some kind of hot take or something?
 
...Hold the Line won? What the hell has been going on in the thread, people are actually voting to use the Shattering Blow as Hunger's opening gambit. We had a perfectly sane option open to us, something that combined lore with an Arete spending point that would've improved our odds. I have never empathized with Gisena more; how it must hurt to see someone she cares for throw himself into the meatgrinder in defiance of both counsel and common sense.

Even if Hunger survives Follow Through with some measure of continuity, the +Recklessness alone will kill him in the long run! No other decision point has offered that as a stat. There is more to heroism than simple obstinacy; I feel like Uryū trying to talk Ichigo down, back in Bleach Quest. Better to expend our stock of re-rolls than the very stuff of Hunger's self.

[X] Seize the Day

Fight the man, not the machine. The pilot's father is a senator, there should be some level of reluctance to sacrifice the rest of the strike force for a victory even if he pays no more than lip service to the Republic's ideals, since it could hurt his dad's political career. Hopefully their relationship isn't as antagonistic as Gendo and Shinji's... Flash-purchasing FDS is also a good idea if Shroud wins, it's one of Hunger's only options that doesn't put him in pick-debt, but if Seize succeeds we'll want all the Arete for the Pillars timeskip.
 
Honestly Seize the Day is pretty good. I was surprised it was as unpopular as it was, especially given the amount of people who are looking to just not get fucked here.
Is "option that has chance to fail has chance to fail" supposed to be some kind of hot take or something?
Dunno what's more sad, fact that you waited for so long to "gotcha" me or that this is the best you could do lol.
 
I don't really buy this rationale, as it can be used to handwave any proposition that suffers any kind of loss. I don't think many people will care if we burn Signs, Silver, Outer Shadow or Bloodcasting away.

See, right away I dislike your argument because I despise the idea of giving up my precious Empyrean Signs. I'd rather lose OaF even if it means losing Seraph's Favor in the process. Really, I don't like OaF at all, the only reason to even consider keeping it in my mind is Seraph's Favor making it more optimal. And I love Silver of Evening even if the defensive rank is kina useless with all our other external rank buffs and we haven't used the permanent graces yet.

Admittedly, Bloodcasting I'd be fine with getting rid of and without something like Outer Sky the Outer Shadow is not terribly useful. But you are drastically underestimating how much people care about the advancements we have. You are also drastically underestimating how nasty the fighting over them could get.
 
Holy shit I don't look at the thread for ONE OR MAYBE TWO updates and people are legitimately voting to Kill Hunger Again????

America explain, I am CONFUSION!

*ahem* Anyways, I don't want Hunger to go on a recursive self-hunt, forever sacrificing himself in pursuit of distant utopia and his Ultimate Foes.

I rebuke it.
No... I Rebuke It.

I actively dislike how Hunger got here and I haven't liked the constant escalation since the beginning.

So I'm voting for what I want to see.
We have 41 arete. We didn't need to do this or be here holy shit. I got big stressed within the space of reading this update wew chile.

Anyways uh, good luck to whatever vote wins, unless it's Shattering Blow Volume 2, that'll just shatter my little cry baby heart or whatever lol.

Wow my mood is really fluctuating in real time big oofs.

Anyways good luck to Hunger whatever wins.

And uh, if the quest ends uh, Big McSads with a side of fries.

I hope it doesn't, whatever option wins.
Ugh sorry for being a Debby downer at the end here.

[X] Seize The Day
[X] His Shroud Was Down
[X] Foe-Defeating Stance
 
My personal preference is Follow Through, if you're going do a thing then do it right. If your going to risk a nation and your life then give yourself the best chance possible.

But, I don't feel comfortable burning away 1700+ pages of other people's Arete Mining and investment like that. Not when I've been participating for less than a 1% of that. I think I'll be abstaining from this vote for the moment.
 
That does bring to mind standard scene where a character, usually nobleman, is drowning because he refuses to let go off his possessions.

.. alright, that picture applied on ourselves has no right to be this funny.
 
We would need exactly over half of all votes to go for Foe-Defeating Stance to actually get it this update, right?

If so, any chance I could convince people who aren't vote for His Shroud Is Down to stiil vote to get it, given the former is pretty likely to happen due to having more votes then the other two options combined.
 
Yeah, unlike with Advanced Research there's no hard "you have to have more than 50%" rule for FDS. You will likely have the option for the next update.
 
Honestly Seize the Day is pretty good. I was surprised it was as unpopular as it was, especially given the amount of people who are looking to just not get fucked here.
I think many Shroud voters are recoiling from the visible costs of Follow Through. Which is fair, as they're immense and include the incineration of a large fraction of the thread's effort to date. By contrast Shroud's % death chance is hidden; the price tag isn't apparent, making it mentally more palatable. But yes, looking at this decision point, my priority is to not get fucked. The best chance I see here is burning re-rolls to thread the needle on Seize the Day, thus buying three weeks to scale up in the Realm of Evening.

For context, that's like half the IC time of the quest so far. Hunger's scaling is absurd and his feats of tactical cunning are arguably more satisfying than simple determination. We need the man who baited Seralize to her death, who broke Sten's mind with words. Age and treachery, not Daylian with a darker backstory. In hindsight, maybe we should've chosen him, if only for the introspection that would result.
 
I'm willing to try to boost Seize up, it's still early. If Seize fails there'll be time to switch back to His Shroud Was Down.

[x]Seize the Day
 
Oh right, speaking of experiments we could actually perform on Verschlengorge to sell Hunger's story: Bloodwraith. That's right, baby, it's time. Triggering Second Stage is inevitable if we go toe to toe with Procyon, it'd be nice to benefit from the Ring in spirit form. Maybe there are other benefits (curious about the applicability of Weapon-Defeating Stance vs. a non-biological Armament), though Procyon's design philosophy seems different. The lore surrounding its construction would be fascinating in any other situation...

We've fallen far in formalAI's absence. With his ascension to the Vote-Severing Realm, few Cultivators cleave to the Dao of Not Dying. But nevertheless, we've got to try.
 
Honestly Seize the Day is pretty good. I was surprised it was as unpopular as it was, especially given the amount of people who are looking to just not get fucked here.
Personally I'm mentally split between Seize and Shroud, but since I didn't have a strong preference between them and my primary desire is 'not Follow Through' and voting for both options apparently makes your votes for each given option less valuable, I picked Shroud- which had more votes already- to maximize chance of 'not Follow Through'. That's probably a fairly common reasoning process, and is a problem with that 'voting for two makes your vote worth less' thing.

(...unless I've misunderstood things and voting for two doesn't do that, a possibility I can't fully rule out since I've only been here a few days.)
 
I'm willing to switch to seize the day, bit am somewhat concerned that switching would increase the odds of Follow Through winning. Would someone be kind enough to ping/tag me if it gains a good deal of traction?
 
I'm willing to switch to seize the day, bit am somewhat concerned that switching would increase the odds of Follow Through winning. Would someone be kind enough to ping/tag me if it gains a good deal of traction?
Yes, if there's a risk of Follow Through winning, please ping me as well. I wish I'd been summoned prior to Hold the Line's victory rather than returning to see metaphorical fires as far as the horizon.
 
I'm willing to switch to seize the day, bit am somewhat concerned that switching would increase the odds of Follow Through winning. Would someone be kind enough to ping/tag me if it gains a good deal of traction?
As Orm suggests, switching now and tactically switching later, if necessary, would probably be more prudent. I should be able to ping you.
 
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