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People were quite concerned about leaving Adorie with a bunch of disgruntled nobles who would backstab her once we left not too long ago. We can throw her detractors a bone, get some experience for what we're going to have to do to conquer 90% of the Human Sphere, and quickly wrap up the currency problem so we can focus on the upcoming events that have a non-zero chance of killing us.

I'm not in support of diminishing all the realms of myth because we decided to eat all of their magic currency. We messed up, lets fix it and be done.
 
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[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Synthesis

I don't know what's going to happen but Skywards Claim seems like it could help if Synthesis doesn't win. Also we might experiment with making some kind of Edeldross distillery to make Elixirdross, the essence of Heros of legend. Maybe myth infused platinum needs Elixirdross in the production process?
 
So here's a thought I've been sitting on from the discord now that I'm not doubleposting.

Synthesis seems like a Science/Research problem with meaningful stakes. That means there's a good probability we get picks if we succeed at Synthesis.

Edit: For more science brainstorming. Pure Edeldross quickly fades out of reality. Adorie's bloodline resists existential diminishment. What happens if we try sanctifying pure edeldross with a blood donation from Adorie. What would happen?
 
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I like Deathly Star, as it means we can use Artful Thorn to ablate defenses to the point that even something that would be totally protected from the Star usually will eat the hit... and then star, boom
 
So given that Synthesis has the possibility of picks due to it being a research problem with tangible stakes, I think it's more worthwhile than people are thinking.

Goal: Figure out how to reproduce the essence of myth that permeates mundane platinum to make it Myth Infused. This is something that the Foremost knew how to do.

Gisena's magic may have clues(What else can the rune of ascension she used to become the renaissance woman do? What happens if we make giant versions of her runes out of surgecraft elements?).
Our Edeldross may have clues. The refined form/Elixirdross is literally described as suitable for heroes of legend and Regular Edeldross gets described as the liminal gloss between real and ideal. Pure Edeldross quickly fades due to existential diminishment AKA "swiftly fades beneath the withering indifference of the real".
Our Cloak may have clues(It's a well and the potential source of the essence of the original Well of Myth.)
Adorie's Blood and its resistance to existential Diminishment is a potential clue(What happens if we mix a blood donation from her with pure Edeldross? Will the pure Edeldross not fade away? )
Aobaru's Vigorflame may have clues(It can elevate things on the infinite singularity husk and can overload and blow up conceptual substances)
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So here's a Plan. We make pure Edeldross. Adorie Stabilizes it/keeps it from fading away with a Blood donation. We get a furnace and put Gisena's Rune of Ascension on it. Then we use Aobaru's Vigorflame to heat the furnace, melting the stablized pure edeldross and mundane platinum so we can mix them together. Platinum infused with the stuff of myth. Then we pour it into molds or make it into sheets for stamping and we have myth infused platinum coins.

Edit: If necessary, we use Skyward Claim to enhance Adories constitution so she can handle whatever blood demands are needed to sanctify the pure edeldross. Between that and our 10+ Blood Rank to heal her it should work.
Edit2: We may also need to use our blood ring powers to copy Adories resistance to existential diminishment to get enough blood to sanctify all the edeldross if Adorie can't provide enough.
 
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@Rihaku

A question. Has Hunger attempted:

1. Create an Edeldross 'Sword', then attempt Praxis Techniques/Cut Through with Edeldross. The interaction between Artful Thorn and Edeldross is all but certain to be interesting.
2. Attempted to replicate Gisena's High Sorcery, except using Rank and Edeldross instead of Gisena's methods.
3. Compressed Edeldross with raw Pressure.
4. Feeding Edeldross to Verch?

I have been wondering what the counterintuitive method to creating Findross was.
 
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@Rihaku

A question. Has Hunger attempted:

1. Create an Edeldross 'Sword', then attempt Praxis Techniques/Cut Through with Edeldross. The interaction between Artful Thorn and Edeldross is all but certain to be interesting.
2. Attempted to replicate Gisena's High Sorcery, except using Rank and Edeldross instead of Gisena's methods.
3. Compressed Edeldross with raw Pressure.
4. Feeding Edeldross to Verch?

I have been wondering what the counterintuitive method to creating Findross was.
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Given we have Edeldross Adept, we are entirely capable of making Edeldross Swords.
 
So. Something I noticed to refine my theory about how what we're doing at the time influences our sign picks if we have them.

[ ] Consolidate Power - While Adorie's grip on power is secure, there is still much to be done to ensure an efficient and just administration. The matter of the extensive territories conquered by the Lord Protector is a thorny one to resolve, as retraction of Augustine's conquests and restoration of the prior governments is a deeply unpopular position. Assisting Adorie now could yield dividends in the future, as you would have not only a stalwart, but a formidably powerful and well-organized ally in the Voyaging Realm for the years and millennia to come. [++Adorie, +Adorie Rank, +Nilfel strength, +Nilfel Prosperity, +Elixir Prosperity]

*If this option is taken, Hunger will also investigate other means of semi-permanent empowerment via blood augmentation, Grace development, etc. Could lead to additional +Nilfel/Elixir strength or prosperity depending on rolls.
*On a spectacular success, will improve Hunger's Rank gains by an additional +0.1 after multipliers. Re-rolls may be used to improve the result. You don't have many, though.
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The next update, 2 of our 3 sign options are about Augmenting people.

So here's my current speculation on how our 5th sign picks go depending on how we solve our financial troubles.

Liberation(Speculated Sign picks: Things you use to intimidate people or make people go along with what you're doing to them. We're already too powerful to be stood against barring apocryphal bullshit)
Territorial Commision(Speculated Sign Picks: Social signs that are useful in Economic negotiations)
Reformation(Speculated Sign Picks: Anti Existential Diminishment, Economic magic)
Synthesis(Speculated Sign picks: Research and Engineering aids)
 
Synthesis would be great if it works, the ability to manufacture magically significant money means the ability to generate magical power and experiment more with the Cloak. However, the very fact that Nilfel's been using the gold Mythic platinum standard testifies to the task's difficulty. 'Unlikely to work on the first few tries' sounds like Synthesis might eat through our (extremely limited) supply of rerolls in the event of success, iterating on previous experiments the same way Artifice Gopher would have.

Also, if whatever alchemical method does the trick ever leaks beyond Nilfel's Department of the Treasury equivalent, it could impact the currency's value or - in the worst case - empower enemy sorcery. Why vote for one of ME3's endings when Liberation guarantees a solution? runeblue made a good point last night: Hunger took the Geas. Unlike the Affliction, he can't reasonably have expected to wriggle out of it. It's a bit late for principled objections to conquest, given his current task.
 
Pretty one sided so far

Adhoc vote count started by Zampano on Oct 5, 2020 at 2:28 PM, finished with 113 posts and 36 votes.
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Orm Embar said:
Synthesis would be great if it works, the ability to manufacture magically significant money means the ability to generate magical power and experiment more with the Cloak. However, the very fact that Nilfel's been using the gold Mythic platinum standard testifies to the task's difficulty. 'Unlikely to work on the first few tries' sounds like Synthesis might eat through our (extremely limited) supply of rerolls in the event of success, iterating on previous experiments the same way Artifice Gopher would have.

Also, if whatever alchemical method does the trick ever leaks beyond Nilfel's Department of the Treasury equivalent, it could impact the currency's value or - in the worst case - empower enemy sorcery. Why vote for one of ME3's endings when Liberation guarantees a solution? runeblue made a good point last night: Hunger took the Geas. Unlike the Affliction, he can't reasonably have expected to wriggle out of it. It's a bit late for principled objections to conquest, given his current task.
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You mean mixing Pure Edeldross of which we are one of a small number of people who can generate it in job lots, with Adories blood to sanctify it against existential diminishment, combined with Aobaru's Vigorflame to mix molten Edeldross/Adories Blood with mundane platinum? It seems like something that needs a very specific combo of people.
 
I'm offering markers for switches to Synthesis/Skyward Claim(Skyward Claim is to help Adorie handle the Blood demands in the event they are demanding for my plan, in conjunction with our own blood powers it should be doable). 3 Maximum. 1 Veto. Marker invocations are handled on a first come first serve basis. Tag me with a switch to Synthesis/Skyward Claim and I'll owe you one.

Edit: To clarify, I'm offering 1 marker with 1 veto to the next 3 people to tag me with a switch to Synthesis/Skyward Claim
 
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Conjured Blade said:
I'm offering markers for switches to Synthesis/Skyward Claim(Skyward Claim is to help Adorie handle the Blood demands in the event they are demanding for my plan, in conjunction with our own blood powers it should be doable). 3 Maximum. 1 Veto. Marker invocations are handled on a first come first serve basis. Tag me with a switch to Synthesis/Skyward Claim and I'll owe you one.

Edit: To clarify, I'm offering 1 marker with 1 veto to the next 3 people to tag me with a switch to Synthesis/Skyward Claim
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I was voting for everything, so my switch is less helpful, but I'm happy to support a Synthesis bid. I can grind out a fan reaction of your specified length if you don't think that my vote alone is worth a marker. (I've also got an argument / analysis post coming up that tries to be enthusiastic about each of the three Signs. Not sure if that'll be blocked by vote-selling argumentation norms...)

[X] Synthesis
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]
 
Zampano said:
I was voting for everything, so my switch is less helpful, but I'm happy to support a Synthesis bid. I can grind out a fan reaction of your specified length if you don't think that my vote alone is worth a marker. (I've also got an argument / analysis post coming up that tries to be enthusiastic about each of the three Signs. Not sure if that'll be blocked by vote-selling argumentation norms...)

[X] Synthesis
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]
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I'm not seriously bothered. I can somewhat see the merits of Veil of Grandeur for Synthesis. More intelligence plus Gisena may help with any flaws in my plan I'm not aware of. React or don't as you see fit.
 
[X] Liberation
[X] Synthesis

[X] Fourth Sign: Veil of Grandeur [Noonday Sky]
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]
 
[X] Synthesis
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]

No marker required, I just want to fight against Deathly Star after Rihaku made that comment about Hunger wanting non-combat powers. Veil of Grandeur allows smug-ing at Gisena and has nice +++++Int, Skywards Claim is focused around protecting rather then destroying.
 
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[X] Synthesis
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]

No marker required, I just want to fight against Deathly Star after Rihaku made that comment about Hunger wanting non-combat powers. Veil of Grandeur allows smug-ing at Gisena and has nice +++++Int, Skywards Claim is focused around protecting rather then destroying.
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If you don't want deathly star to win you should also vote for Veil of grandeur. It is closest to rivaling Deathly Star.
 
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