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A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not

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Wait a sec... The island gathers souls...

Did she ever disabled it or is it still collecting? Because that means it could have collected hers.
 
She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
[X] She had become nothing but a monster
I'm a bit leery of this stopping any chance of learning Dark Arts but she definitely pulled a dick move and the thing that made up my mind was that she decided to tell Jacob now for seemingly no reason other than she wants someone to know what she accomplished, when she could just leave a letter or some sort of memory or anything else magic if she wanted Jacob to know for when he was older like say after he's reached maturity, was just sort of the last indicator of character that she isn't deserving of praise
 
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[X] She had achieved what was great– She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
Tetsurou said:
She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
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First I have to say I like you avatar , second you for [] and putting a x in it.
 
[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
Pun-chline said:
Funnily enough, I see the Monster route as being far more damaging. How can you grow to love others if you cannot even love yourself? He'll become the epitome of an edgy, socially irascible teenager until he snaps out of it and realizes that he does deserve to live.
The fate of those who trusted the Flamels is not his fault. With the Monster route, he is accusing himself of the crime of being born; how could you possibly think that is acceptable? A hump to get over? Are you serious? He's a thirteen-year-old boy, for crying out loud!

And on that matter, his "disregard for others" is just basic social awkwardness. He has clearly shown a capacity for love, an interest in the world--he wants to live. How many adults can say that? How many people here can remember clearly depressive episodes, of apathy and self-loathing? I know I can, and I wouldn't wish that kind of self-doubt on anybody.
You want to take that love from him so he can struggle all over again to get it back.
I can't fathom why.
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Frankly it's because his birth is a monsterous thing, and the only reason to disagree with that is because you're emotionally invested in Jacob as a character. There's no other way to view the situation. Jacob isn't a monster but his creation is an act of atrocious barbarity and betrayal, involving the fraud and deception of hundreds and the destruction of hundreds of peoples souls.

It's a disgusting act of venial pride for no other purpose than because she wanted to try. The kind of person that sees it any other way isn't the kind of character I want to play. Even if that means having to go through discomfort with Jacob having to come to terms with what his existence is.
 
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Inviolable said:
[ ] She had achieved what was great

Nothing about the magic she did was needed. Also, I think the self loathing, third option shouldn't even be on the table while I think the first is just faulty rationalization.
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You do realize that Jacob already saved a girl from a fate worse than death, right?

He can do immeasurable good due to being what he is, and based off of what he has already done, I could call that "needed".
 
[ ] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.

I think some people are voting that she was great because they are focusing on the highlighted part and thinking "terrible, but great"- which was used to describe Lord Voldemort. I think attention should be paid to the rest of the choice; the part that isn't bolded. The explanation of why Jacob would think she was great: "Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not."

What responsibility is that choice referring to? Well, it can only be the decision to create an island as a way to trap the souls of their friends for two hundred years and also killing one person. All to create one life to show it could be done (again, note that the reason for the confession is so that the creation of Jacob won't be forgotten.)

This choice is an agreement that her actions leading to the achievement made her great . After all, she did not conceive of the idea or make the Elixer (that was Nicholas by her own statement) her contribution was getting him to do it and creating the huge island/soul trap on her friends.

I think taking into accounts the non-highlighted portion makes it a terrifying choice. If Jacob (whose limits are really defined by our ability to plan) were to see Perenelle's actions as laudable and the actions of a Great person (which the choice literally makes clear)...that is a terrifying person.

Also, just a side note, it would be a bit arrogant for Jacob to think that his own creation was an achievement huge enough to make someone great- unprecedented though his creation was.



[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.

Some people take issue to the last part of "for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died" because it is not Jacob's sin. And, I agree: Jacob is blameless. However, it does not mean he, or many people, wouldn't feel tremendous guilt or responsibility.

Think of it from his perspective: he was told that literally 200 years of ghosts were harnessed and a person killed for the sole purpose of giving him life. Not only that an evil thing was done, but that it was all done for him- so that he could live. That would give many pause, particularly a 13 year old boy.
 
I am kinda puzzled that infertility has no normal magical solution. There were muggle infertility treatments around this time if I'm not mistaken. Is there something about the update I'm missing?
 
On a more morbid level its clear that taking muggle studies as your dump skill is a big mistake if magical fertility has those problems. Mixing magic with modern science probably has a lot of hidden benefits. As magic possibly doesnt know about genetics. Certainly jacob could have been created via surrogacy using engineered sperm and eggs.
 
That's certainly an interpretation.

I find it far more likely that souls don't matter insofar as they aren't inhabiting a body. Muggles don't have souls, and they're doing just fine. Ghost can be seen as mutilate remnants of souls, but while the Grey Lady is a sad sack, it isn't as if all ghost are condemned to suffer in their incomplete state.

From my point of view what Perenelle did was evil, but it's evil just because it's sounds evil and she treated it as if it was this evil thing.

I'd advocate to slurp up spirit stuff regardless of the situation, to be fair.

Raikazin said:
I am kinda puzzled that infertility has no normal magical solution. There were muggle infertility treatments around this time if I'm not mistaken. Is there something about the update I'm missing?
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When women get old, they go through this thing called menopause where they stop producing eggs and their tubes dry up.

Mama Basques was over a century old by the time she wanted to have Jacob. Her equipment was long gone by that point. So they needed Sith Alchemy to help her pop out a baby and stuff it full of magic juice.
 
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[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
 
Inviolable said:
[ ] She had achieved what was great
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Tetsurou said:
She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
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Just a heads up, you need an [X] for your vote to count in the tally system.
 
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[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
 
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
 
Light said:
You do realize that Jacob already saved a girl from a fate worse than death, right?

He can do immeasurable good due to being what he is, and based off of what he has already done, I could call that "needed".
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This is where I disagree. For good or for ill, I find it hard to rationalize 200 years of soul eating to produce a child needed for any reason.

You can't just say, 'oh, in hindsight, he did really good things. The world couldn't be as great without his presence, if more 100+ year old couples need to have kids then they should eat souls too. Who knows? Their kid may be better than this one.'

You can't justify need after the fact like that.
 
I think people are forgetting that Perenelle did loads of other things other than creating a lich baby.

One of the main points being made is that Nicholas wouldn't be able to do half the things his brilliance was capable of if Perenelle wasn't a bad bitch dedicated to his success and advancement. Sure, she actively pushed him into unlocking his full potential, but she still unlocked his full potential.

That exist beyond La Isla being a secret phylactery. With his greatly extended life he made huge advancements that no one else was capable of, because Perenelle was there to be his dark knight.

I think that's also part of what Jacob is recognizing here.
 
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[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
isn't this how the Emperor in 40k came to be? a conglomerate of souls fused together and reincarnated?
 
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