Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
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Good point. I thought I should just go full strain because of synergy but it's still possible that Adorie can help us get more signs in pillars.
[X] Regency
[X] Consolidate Power
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Good point. I thought I should just go full strain because of synergy but it's still possible that Adorie can help us get more signs in pillars.
[X] Regency
[X] Consolidate Power
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Can you guys decide whether we'd get no use out of Pillars during its first proc or if we'd get the full benefits of other options immediately after going there? I really don't think we'd just get Intensive Research again except with no downsides. If you are already voting for Consolidate plus Regency, not also grabbing the 26 Arete option in value is very silly. I'm sure we'd be able to do other things in the Realm of Evening with no problem, so can we all just accept this amazing value option now?
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that's still not a good reason to vote for strain if you want relaxation, and people's sincerity doesn't matter because the people committing to that are a small proportion of the overall voter base
Well if you're dropping strain I'll join you on the vote in solidarity
[X] Regency
[X] Consolidate Power
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I do think we'd stand a fair chance of choosing the relaxation options in Pillars if we exert ourselves here, simply because I think it will likely be much easier to get recreational facilities up and running than it is to create level-appropriate foes or create Sign research facilities out of thin cloth.
But more importantly, I don't actually get just wanting Consolidate plus Regency. Again, no-one would actually pay 26 Arete for +Mental Stability and ~35% Apocryphal reduction only for the next proc. I think this reluctance seems more to do with loss aversion than any reasoned out cost-benefit analysis. Either that or thinking Pillars will get us the full benefits of all the training options this vote somehow. Again, it's very silly. Taking Strain for Intensive Research at max Synergy would absolutely leave us ahead in everything that matters while also making possible progress towards the final problem in our list, mage-extraction.
Why not vote to literally solve all our issues? It's very baffling. People can choose 3-pick fights all day despite them having a measurable risk of death but when it comes to something that can give us far greater rewards for far lesser of a price people are suddenly hesitant. I don't get that all.
But more importantly, I don't actually get just wanting Consolidate plus Regency. Again, no-one would actually pay 26 Arete for +Mental Stability and ~35% Apocryphal reduction only for the next proc. I think this reluctance seems more to do with loss aversion than any reasoned out cost-benefit analysis. Either that or thinking Pillars will get us the full benefits of all the training options this vote somehow. Again, it's very silly. Taking Strain for Intensive Research at max Synergy would absolutely leave us ahead in everything that matters while also making possible progress towards the final problem in our list, mage-extraction.
Why not vote to literally solve all our issues? It's very baffling. People can choose 3-pick fights all day despite them having a measurable risk of death but when it comes to something that can give us far greater rewards for far lesser of a price people are suddenly hesitant. I don't get that all.
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[X] Regency
[X] Consolidate Power
It seems enough support has shifted that the best way to dodge a consolidation vote is to continue riding the wave, or such is how I justify this new vote.
I feel dirty, my voting resolve is being swept about like the flimsiest of saplings. Please Rihaku, I want to get off The Precipitous Spans Wild Ride!
[X] Consolidate Power
It seems enough support has shifted that the best way to dodge a consolidation vote is to continue riding the wave, or such is how I justify this new vote.
I feel dirty, my voting resolve is being swept about like the flimsiest of saplings. Please Rihaku, I want to get off The Precipitous Spans Wild Ride!
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Tying this vote right now will only guarantee consolidation. Especially since Strain has significant contingent which is set on their (correct) views. By voting otherwise, you only extend our suffering.
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positive outcomes are more important than vote fatigue!
By extending the quest.
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The most positive outcome is the the current leading vote by any metric you care to name; even a hit to Mental Stability now is worth it to secure the power necessary against future hits later. Power is fundamentally safety, especially in Rihaku quests; throwing that away for a momentary peace of mind is foolhardy at best.
To Quest is to suffer, yes.
The Apocryphal scales with power and strain increases its strength.
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Your implying that we won't be
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[X] Cursebearer's Strain
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Regency
[X] Intensive Research
[X] Cursebearer's Strain
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Regency
[X] Intensive Research
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Apocryphal scales imperfectly and only its next proc is strengthened, while we get to keep the Signs forever. Moreover, all of our problems don't reduce themselves to the Apocryphal Curse; the number of sticky situations deliberately caused by Apocryphal is far lesser than the number of dangers we accept willingly. Against that, more power is absolutely more safety.
I will also not accept arguments that basically state we will play bad because we are dumb. No matter if you actually think it's true, because it's something completely unverifiable at best. And really, if people are raising a fuss about Mental Stability now, I don't think they will get any less vocal should Strain actually win the vote.
I'll take "Rated based on how much sightseeing the update involves" for 500.
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Any reasonable metric, then. 
Oh no I'm actually joking about my reply given that when given enough shinies people are suddenly willing to risk it all. I voted for absorbing the Tower of Earth even though its clear that its a trap so I'm guilty of this.
Its just that people are so sure of the inevitable victory of 4th/5th Sign or the Praxis over the souped up Apocrypha that I can't help but be nervous.
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To be fair, Strain is not literally labeled bait like Tower Of Earth was. In fact, I think the devil's advocacy against it was pretty mild, since it outright conceded it was the most efficient option! So I don't think we should worry on that front, at least.
Shard
One and Many
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What about those of us who have 'life and death fights' fatigue? At current rates I think we're trying to surpass Odyssial in self-strain.
How would you folks rate Odyssial in a fight vs the Hidden Masters? Is he the success we have to measure ourselves against?
Yeah but this is Apocrypha we are talking about. Last time, it didn't boost Augustine's base power or led her to unlock some form of power up, it just nudged her to preparing the right spells to fuck us over. Without Gisena, we would have eaten a nasty complication like damaging an artifact and maybe even permanently lose some power(as in we would have to pay Arete and picks again).
So what can these empowered even beyond the unmitigated baseline Apocrypha can do? Maybe we will be back again to the same situation as the Tower infiltration, where we have to pay some price like an important companion (please don't take Versch). Or how about a detroyed artifact? You know, the things everyone really cares about and put above all other concerns?
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In the event that the proc happens before we enter the Realm of Evening, we can negate a huge array of negative complications. In the event that the proc happens after we leave the Realm of Evening, we will have 3 weeks of additional relaxation & training. Even with prioritizing relaxation over training, it's likely that we'll be able to improve our baseline capabilities via things like Anagathic Peaches, more subtle blood manipulation, more time for Gisena to do Artifice, etc. (This is on top of the training that we will still get done in between spa treatments!)
If the proc happens while we are in the Realm of Evening it'll hit at 1/3 power.
There has never been a moment in the quest where we were more prepared to pick a fight with the Apocryphal Curse.
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The opportunity for that was probably Forsaken Mask back in chargen. But we took the Apocryphal Curse instead, so we are kind of committed. Again, only the next Apocryphal proc is worse while we get to keep the Signs forever; and we will have access to Pillars to heal all out conditions with a bit of investment, so long-term I absolutely think it's worth it. Power can not only mean more safety, but more latitude for action as well, which is often returned in the form of more power for us. It's less safety in the immediate for much more safety later; absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Apocryphal does have to work with what's already established, it can't conjure stuff out of the ether. Fighting Augustine risked complications with or without Apocryphal; we were just unlucky and very lucky in quick succession this time.
Plus, we do have Pillars now and I'm told it can revive people eventually, so. With our greater stats, Rank and Pillars we are much less vulnerable any Conditions than we were when we faced Turn A, and that's without two whole extra Signs! The risk we face is absolutely mitigatable. So I think the additional risk is worth it compared to the incredible value it provides.
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