It's possible but it takes time. Even if we speak in microsecond chirps the conversation will go back and forth, our voice is limited by the speed of sound and the result is limited by the speed at which Sten gives up/ goes mad which is a complete unknown. Meanwhile the powers from our Ring - including the new Passion picks - are fading because of the separation and there's a chance some lesser immortal might wake up and run off with it. Losing an artifact is explicitly a possible consequence of this fight. With an agility build we can just kill him in a fraction of the time and retrieve our arm.
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I'm not sure the bot counts the votes that our edited in, I think you might have to make a fresh reply with the treachery vote for it to count.
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It rechecks each vote every time you press tally, I believe.
I mean, quoting a blurb from one update ago when Hunger was fresh and had his ring really does not address the concern of all our charisma just going poof mid-dialogue in the slighest. Or other stats, for that matter. We are relying on stuff that is in the process of fading away to pull off this plan.
This is really just unnecessary risks at this point, imo. Just
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Hateful might is pretty situational too. it only activates in situation when Preeminence: Passion does. I don't like spending 9 arete on situational buffs that aren't even that good when there are far superior options present.
As for it getting us closer to the Ruling Ring, that doesn't really matter that much currently. We need to get Evening Sky EFB first for trinity and after that Ruling Ring almost certainly comes up complications because ++ progression is simply too broken otherwise.
As for it getting us closer to the Ruling Ring, that doesn't really matter that much currently. We need to get Evening Sky EFB first for trinity and after that Ruling Ring almost certainly comes up complications because ++ progression is simply too broken otherwise.
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Do people actually think we won't be able to get the ring back? We're faster then Sten who is also injured now, substantially so apparently, and we have the ability to use a invisible force to push us or other things. Even if we get Avenger, people really should not be planing around not trying to retrieve the ring since those buffs, debuffs, and other effects like anti healing could become very relevant.
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I thought that the terms of Brain in a Jar's signature were that the first person to invoke a token would be the one to receive Brain's vote for that update. Other voters couldn't spend their markers if someone else had already used one. There was not any mention of a bidding war using Brain's markers!
I certainly don't think that Brain should be able to get rid of multiple markers per vote just by instigating bidding wars among his creditors. No matter what the outcome, Brain should end this vote with a payment on his debt of at most one vote token.
Seems like you two (Conjured blade & Brain) should propose an offer to me to convince me to spend Brain's Cote differently. Using the first-come-first-served rule, either Brain or Conjured Blade needs to buy my currently activated Brain token. To speed up the process: I'll accept either three Brain tokens or one Conjured Blade token.
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I thought that the terms of Brain in a Jar's signature were that the first person to invoke a token would be the one to receive Brain's vote for that update. Other voters couldn't spend their markers if someone else had already used one. There was not any mention of a bidding war using Brain's markers!
I certainly don't think that Brain should be able to get rid of multiple markers per vote just by instigating bidding wars among his creditors. No matter what the outcome, Brain should end this vote with a payment on his debt of at most one vote token.
Seems like you two (Conjured blade & Brain) should propose an offer to me to convince me to spend Brain's Cote differently. Using the first-come-first-served rule, either Brain or Conjured Blade needs to buy my currently activated Brain token. To speed up the process: I'll accept either three Brain tokens or one Conjured Blade token.
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Both Avenger and Hateful Might are deterrence picks. Foes who take aim at us personally get it worse than those who are just in the way. As long as we get at least one our political gains will be easier to sustain.
In terms of difference, Avenger puts its chips into sheer power. Under this state we want Hunger to suffer so he can overperform in battle. It's an investment in painful victories. Hateful Might instead focuses on the visceral and sentimental appeal. It's hard to resist but also unimaginably terrifying to witness. There's no such thing as being okay with this.
Evoking vengeance and wielding it's the name of the game, but the Avenger draws from righteous fury where Hateful Might knows only hellish depravity. The Avenger is the voice of the Ring on our finger, the flare of blood and fire brought on by unspeakable atrocities. Hateful Might instead speaks for the Ring imprisoned, so tortured its dreaming spirit has become a well of nightmares.
Beware that you do not become what you despise. I wonder, which does Hunger despise more: the Tyrant, or that so much was lost in overthrowing him?
[X] Evening Sky - Opalescence
[X] Evening Sky - Iridescence
[X] Evening Sky - Pearlescence
Perhaps I would rather just walk away.
In terms of difference, Avenger puts its chips into sheer power. Under this state we want Hunger to suffer so he can overperform in battle. It's an investment in painful victories. Hateful Might instead focuses on the visceral and sentimental appeal. It's hard to resist but also unimaginably terrifying to witness. There's no such thing as being okay with this.
Evoking vengeance and wielding it's the name of the game, but the Avenger draws from righteous fury where Hateful Might knows only hellish depravity. The Avenger is the voice of the Ring on our finger, the flare of blood and fire brought on by unspeakable atrocities. Hateful Might instead speaks for the Ring imprisoned, so tortured its dreaming spirit has become a well of nightmares.
Beware that you do not become what you despise. I wonder, which does Hunger despise more: the Tyrant, or that so much was lost in overthrowing him?
[X] Evening Sky - Opalescence
[X] Evening Sky - Iridescence
[X] Evening Sky - Pearlescence
Perhaps I would rather just walk away.
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Except as shown Sten is capable of keeping up with Eldeldross bursts, we lost our arm that way.
Hateful might is 1 pick and the Arete price goes to Ruling ring EFB(something we wanted anyway). Avenger is 7 Arete worth of shitty Form of Rage.
To those who want to save Arete, remember that Preeminence: Passion bonuses don't stack with our already superior Chief Dominion. If your buying Hateful Might with an eye to picking up Ruling Ring, remember that its component achievements don't stack, just apply in differenet situations and that Hateful Might only works when Hunger is feeling emotional and then even it might not last a full battle. Trying to pick up a build with other intention in mind will just lead us to spend more than we have to.
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The point is that he's
which probably makes him slower, or at least worse in pursuing us! We're used to fighting one-armed, and beyond that, we're still faster than him! We'd still have a marginal increase in speed due to +All Stats, which is less than the other options, but still meaningful! Plus, Rank will make all his wounds worse and ours less harmful.
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He's capable of powering through Edeldross bursts, something we still even manged to put up as he was coming towards us. I'm talking about using it to redirect our arm towards us in conjuction with going towards it with our own speed which is faster then Sten. We already managed to outmaneuver him and go for Eva with enough time alone with her to kill her, this should be substantially easier then that considering he's now has lost the source of his tactical acumen from that fight while the ring isn't trying to defend or get away from us via it's own power.
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Talace
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They don't stack, they apply in different situations! Right now, our Rank bonuses apply to our blood stuff, but not battle actions (except for our blood attacks/debuffs). If we act with sufficient Passion, I'm pretty sure the Rank will affect that!
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We should consider that since we're seperated from the ring we might be losing all ring advancements gradually the longer we're separated from it. Given that a substantial portion of our strength is derived from the ring then getting it back is a priority in the fight. The issue is as we saw in the update Sten has tremendous straight line speed from his absurd leg strength. If he knows where we're going for he could conceivable beat us there if we don't take more agi.
Vote for Honing build! It grants the greatest boost to our speed of any of the options letting us kite Sten and resecure our ring before the loss of it's buffs can degrade our combat performance. With the combat speed and reflexes offered by the boosts to agi, wit and combat Int we can just cut Sten's arms off when he tries to intercept our recovery of the ring.
Vote for Honing build! It grants the greatest boost to our speed of any of the options letting us kite Sten and resecure our ring before the loss of it's buffs can degrade our combat performance. With the combat speed and reflexes offered by the boosts to agi, wit and combat Int we can just cut Sten's arms off when he tries to intercept our recovery of the ring.
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[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence - 7 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Hateful Might
[X] Treachery
Build towards the EFB's you've already got some progress on!
Once we get a Cloak EFB and the Trinity bonus, we'll be in an excellent position to go for Ruling Ring - possibly with a detour into ASD if people are still feeling skittish.
And once we get that sweet, sweet ++Progression, we'll be in an amazing position, where even rando 1-pick rewards give us hueg boosts to power.
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence - 7 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Hateful Might
[X] Treachery
Build towards the EFB's you've already got some progress on!
Once we get a Cloak EFB and the Trinity bonus, we'll be in an excellent position to go for Ruling Ring - possibly with a detour into ASD if people are still feeling skittish.
And once we get that sweet, sweet ++Progression, we'll be in an amazing position, where even rando 1-pick rewards give us hueg boosts to power.
The best I coud do for 3 picks is FQ + Honing. Take it or leave it.
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If I understand correctly ++Progression means everything we take after it will have way more power than usual right? Even ADS will go from Holy Shit to Mother of God.
Also does ++Prog fix our issue with normal training being 10x less effective?
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This is the problem. People think we are already out of the woods. That its time to pick up a build that saves up to other purposes that we want. That even though Sten is wounded now his Soul Evocation is coming back. We have to survive in the meantime while socializing him before it actually takes him out of the fight.
Hateful Might allows us to wound him through blood and spirit but his protections are returning, the immense gap in every stat except agility still remains and of course we will probably gain a complication or two. Throw in that we might get Tired or Exhausted against the remaining Immortals and thats just asking for the Apocryphal proc to maybe not screw us over but our allies in the meantime.
Man, Blood is so good. Agi+++++, Wits+++* and like Int+++++++++ for purpose of combat.
*is it just me or is Wits like the most worthless stat? Sure we get better reactions but I never saw it making any difference..
Kinda. Your standard is back at normal, but your combat gain is now like x100 times better.
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Wits might apply to combat intuition; being able to deduce that the enemy is stalling for time is an important tactical insight
Wits is used to deliver
Hunger looks at the beheaded Evangeline and tells Sten:
"I think she has a headache"
"Her body is not listening to her head"
"Live by the ring, die by me"
"She really lost her head"
Without Wits we are just a shitty murderhobo. With it, we are a charming sociopath with sick sense of humor.
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Yeah that too, but who gives a shit about it.
I'm currently going on the idea that Wits and Intelligence are the mental Agility and Might. If true, it governs ability to register information and exploit it quickly.
Our Wits score has been slowly rising as we go, and so has Hunger's strategic acumen. Early on he cleaves closely to a balance of caution and overwhelming force, an axiomatic approach. But in the battles following Vanreir (and Uttermost) there's an atmosphere of clarity to his battles that wasn't present during those against - say - the Craven Giant or the Groundskeeper. There's a sense of veterancy that pervades his social and military pursuits that wasn't quite there before.
Now Uttermost boosts all stats so those can't be solely attributed to Wits. But with Guile-Defeating Stance we've gone from depending on suicide charges to bleeding our foes dry without taking anything resembling permanent injuries. That didn't boost Intelligence, but Wits and Wisdom. That beautiful fight scene with Sten and Eva? Fierce Quickening just got onto our docket.
Wits is how fast you think, Int is how well you extract insights from the information you have, Wisdom is... ? Probably something very important for making SORD go whoosh, but I'm not sure what.