A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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I suspect it will make him more shameless.
- Location
- Pindorama
I don't think that's possible for mister Sovereign Citizen.
Rihaku
The Internet
You currently have 9 Charisma, which Vigor would bring to 11! So the option adds +++Str, +++Con, ++Cha, +++++++++++Protection! With Str and Con x1.3 due to Edeldross!
Very potent. It's true that Rank is rare, but Blood Advancements are considerably more efficient in many cases... especially with Protection being one of your dump stats right now!
- Location
- a place
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Feat: Shameless
This update was amazing, was awesome to see Orm's prediction bare out. Sad to see the High Marshall die, but I'm glad that Guile-defeating still came in handy enough that it cut off Avecarn from everything but sheer brute force. Was really not expecting the fight to go so onesidedly in our favor Anyhow-
Their so much I want to get, like Ennobling or Arisen Blood or the added utility of more Ring Dominions. Both Passion and War seem like they'd be extremely useful right now. However, I think it's best to pick something that lessens the sheer gulf of power between Hunger and the high rankers of the temple. For that, i'm stuck between either Vigor Incarnate or the Feat. The first makes us a lot physically stronger and more charismatic, while adding charisma to our defense which is extremely advantageous both for fomenting rebellion and increasing our defenses. Meanwhile, it also increases our blood abilities, including the buffing+debuffing thats going to be so useful in the coming fights once we have more power while also saving arete. Plus, the feat can only be taken now due to our fight whereas we could always take Vigor, though based on how much extra protection we'd get I expect it to be a lot more helpful.
On the other hand Rihaku called Vigor Synergestic which always seems to doom those options which I kind of hate-
I'll make this a placeholder vote for now and think more on whether I want to pass up the Feat for good and invest arete.
[X] Feat: Shameless
This update was amazing, was awesome to see Orm's prediction bare out. Sad to see the High Marshall die, but I'm glad that Guile-defeating still came in handy enough that it cut off Avecarn from everything but sheer brute force. Was really not expecting the fight to go so onesidedly in our favor Anyhow-
Their so much I want to get, like Ennobling or Arisen Blood or the added utility of more Ring Dominions. Both Passion and War seem like they'd be extremely useful right now. However, I think it's best to pick something that lessens the sheer gulf of power between Hunger and the high rankers of the temple. For that, i'm stuck between either Vigor Incarnate or the Feat. The first makes us a lot physically stronger and more charismatic, while adding charisma to our defense which is extremely advantageous both for fomenting rebellion and increasing our defenses. Meanwhile, it also increases our blood abilities, including the buffing+debuffing thats going to be so useful in the coming fights once we have more power while also saving arete. Plus, the feat can only be taken now due to our fight whereas we could always take Vigor, though based on how much extra protection we'd get I expect it to be a lot more helpful.
On the other hand Rihaku called Vigor Synergestic which always seems to doom those options which I kind of hate-
I'll make this a placeholder vote for now and think more on whether I want to pass up the Feat for good and invest arete.
- Location
- Pindorama
We just got a power-up that makes Rank gains better though! That increased Rank not only makes our stats better due to blood buffing, but it enhances our allies and penalizes our enemies as well! Plus Rank is great for finding allies and directing them for maximum effectiveness, which cant be replicated through Charisma!
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
I'm sorry, EHP? I think I missed that one?
Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Perhaps I can lend Hunger my new salt reactor to threaten the inner resident's water supply instead...
Effective hit points, methinks.
I can use forbidden secret art: reaction to the first updates with the power of hindsight. I aslo had some omake ideas about 'Meet the Tyrants' where Hunger meets the Tyrant because he wants to marry his (adopted) daughter.
Things escalate and the rest is history.
If @Prospalz backs me up I can promise 10k omake storm today.
Probably effective hit points.
Rihaku
The Internet
THE TYRANT: And this is my violet blade, see the curve here? Increases the effective pain of a slice by 3.2 times! Destiny's oracles certainly screamed when I introduced them to this, I hope you'll do the same!
- Location
- Italy
Nothing too relevant right now, but I just wanted to note...
I'm the paranoid sort who thinks that a Ring-exploiting magic civilization might have devised ways to suppress a Ring's power that they might turn against us. That should be covered by this Stance though, so we might consider getting it next update or so.
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Tyrant: This is my manly and hairy chest, I got it from my ancestor, the 4Bear.
*Shows a picture of actual bear *
Hunger: Why is your chest hair in the form of the letter T?
Tyrant: Because I am the TBear.
- Location
- a place
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Vigor Incarnate
Forgive me Brain, I simply was not worthy of the Rank. The advocacy of devils was just too strong. Between Rihaku saying we can ignore rank if we want too and become a stat build while dropping the idea that we could potentially run into a enemy that could screw with rank based advantages like Hero-Defeating stance plus what he's said in the thread I'll tentatively throw my votes over to Vigor.
Savegang and Rankgang have been betrayed for Stat, SYnergy, and Not Dying gang.
[X] Vigor Incarnate
Forgive me Brain, I simply was not worthy of the Rank. The advocacy of devils was just too strong. Between Rihaku saying we can ignore rank if we want too and become a stat build while dropping the idea that we could potentially run into a enemy that could screw with rank based advantages like Hero-Defeating stance plus what he's said in the thread I'll tentatively throw my votes over to Vigor.
Savegang and Rankgang have been betrayed for Stat, SYnergy, and Not Dying gang.
- Location
- Pindorama
But Sara, he's saying we could ignore Rank with a 35 Arete investment*, one that would lose us Trinity if take it before Pillars! Planing for that is just not very realistic. We should take the Rank now so we won't missi it later1 Take our fight against Avecarn as a wake-up call. Rank improves us so comprehensively that it's never a bad option especially for leading a rebellion. Take it so we can secure ourselves!
*All-Defeating Stance plus The King Stands Alone, which, yeah I expect it to be amazing for 35 Arete!
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Blood advancements are very strong especially with Crimson Flare providing better than ruling ring control of it's domain once we rescue Azure. Vigor grants us great stat upgrades now and access to even better ones later! Actually getting some protection to shore up one of our weakest stats is nice too. Gramps just demonstrated what happens when you only rely on rank for defence!
ADS is 21 because we bought Guile and will become 14 soon when we buy Magic Defeating
- Location
- Pindorama
That's still 35 Arete total investment though. And would derail our plans for Trinity, so we can't take it for a while. rank now is a much better investment for me, especially if you consider Flare.
Alright, lets talk about Rank and stuff, yeah?
Te begin with, some of you might remember Rank focused build I've talked before. I've promised Armament in rather short order. Alas, Rihaku has reworked Trinity and we can't get tons of Rank for FREE, but here is how it looked like:
Of course, fun only starts there. Afterwards, we can get SUJC to increase our Rank by 17.5%, going from Rank 7.9 to Rank 9.3 for all purposes(!!!) with our blood casting working at Rank 11.3(!!!!). And then you can get Once and Future and similar Rank boost effect for even more oomp..
But, that's just a pipe dream now. Still, Rank build lives on, even if it's not as hilariously powerful as it once was. Right now, we can get Shameless and either HDS or WDS, both of which offer 0.2 external Rank, to put our blood casting at very respectable 7.55 - almost at level at which we once were! On top of which you get relevant effects those Stances provide too.
So, why should you get Rank right now:
Te begin with, some of you might remember Rank focused build I've talked before. I've promised Armament in rather short order. Alas, Rihaku has reworked Trinity and we can't get tons of Rank for FREE, but here is how it looked like:
It had prerequisite of getting 5.5 Rank before we get Pillars, but once we do it would put us at Tyrant+0.1 Rank. Given that Tyrant was at about 7.8, that would mean a jump of 2.4 Rank(!) which, with Crimson Flare, would mean that we can blood cast at rank 9.8(!!).
Of course, fun only starts there. Afterwards, we can get SUJC to increase our Rank by 17.5%, going from Rank 7.9 to Rank 9.3 for all purposes(!!!) with our blood casting working at Rank 11.3(!!!!). And then you can get Once and Future and similar Rank boost effect for even more oomp..
But, that's just a pipe dream now. Still, Rank build lives on, even if it's not as hilariously powerful as it once was. Right now, we can get Shameless and either HDS or WDS, both of which offer 0.2 external Rank, to put our blood casting at very respectable 7.55 - almost at level at which we once were! On top of which you get relevant effects those Stances provide too.
So, why should you get Rank right now:
- It has direct synergy with both Uttermost and Crimson Flare. Synergy? In your Rihaku quest? More likely than you think
- SAVE. Not spending Arete means that we can afford a Stance for a burst in power, which can directly stack with Rank/Crimson Flare thanks to their external Rank. Even more synergy? In your Rihaku quest? What is this world coming to..
- Building up our Rank. Outside of obvious benefits, getting to Rank 6+ means that our Bloodcasting will enter High Rank territory, massively increasing it's value. Remember, Crimson Flare offers constant +2 Rank, unlike weaker options which scale down once we hit Rank 8. As such, it will benefit greatly for hitting that level
- Most of you prefer Pillars, and farming Feats within is very difficult. As such, every Feat we can get is that much more valuable..
- Finally, there's a theory that Feats unlock Defining Advancements. There's also the fact that we need Evening Sky DA to go along Stranglethorn in other to unlock that particular Special Advancement
Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Switching to S T A T S
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Vigor Incarnate
If I've learned one lesson from making builds, it is this: pick a mechanic, and scale it as effectively and efficiently as possible. Thus far, we've had to split our attention between multiple stats, magic systems, etc.
Advancements like HDS and the KSA offer us the opportunity to largely ignore Rank and focus on pure stats as a means of progressing our power. Even better, when we eventually get ADS, we'll also be immune to any sort of nullification and hostile metaphysics for our attacks too!
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Vigor Incarnate
If I've learned one lesson from making builds, it is this: pick a mechanic, and scale it as effectively and efficiently as possible. Thus far, we've had to split our attention between multiple stats, magic systems, etc.
Advancements like HDS and the KSA offer us the opportunity to largely ignore Rank and focus on pure stats as a means of progressing our power. Even better, when we eventually get ADS, we'll also be immune to any sort of nullification and hostile metaphysics for our attacks too!