Strange9
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But.... we're still going to pick those picks later. Unless you think the thread is getting better at picking, all you've done is kicked the problem down the road!
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Zampano
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- Location
- Simping for DSB
Why did Rihaku rate this as funny??
Opalescence + Iridescence only give +++Prot. That's only a third of the plusses offered by VI (and less than 1/3 of the total benefit because the effect of plusses increase as you get more of them).
We can't afford Arisen right now, and I think that I don't trust benefits that only apply at 100% health. Moreover, Arisen provides fewer +s to PROT than does Vigor Itself.
Rihaku
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Nice efficiency! Would be a shame for Vigor Incarnate to go overlooked again.
Not... yet.
You can!
Just not a Ring of Power.
Rebellion does have higher general odds of succeeding, though much does rely on tactics and your build outgoing,
An interesting strategy... could definitely work, and retains flexibility! The real question is whether What Rains May Come is worth 3 picks at this critical juncture.
If you guys are getting All-Defeating Stance + Stranglethorn eventually, though, the need for Rank is not so pressing...
Mm, only if that option cost 1 pick, but you could go double Fierce Quickening + Foment and pick up another 2 picks from hunting!
Banking! Though I don't know if you want to be that greedy, I won't stop you if it wins...
Only 3.8 Arete you don't have, actually!
Eating a fish off one's own line.
Nice efficiency! Would be a shame for Vigor Incarnate to go overlooked again.
Not... yet.
You can!
Just not a Ring of Power.
Rebellion does have higher general odds of succeeding, though much does rely on tactics and your build outgoing,
An interesting strategy... could definitely work, and retains flexibility! The real question is whether What Rains May Come is worth 3 picks at this critical juncture.
If you guys are getting All-Defeating Stance + Stranglethorn eventually, though, the need for Rank is not so pressing...
Mm, only if that option cost 1 pick, but you could go double Fierce Quickening + Foment and pick up another 2 picks from hunting!
Banking! Though I don't know if you want to be that greedy, I won't stop you if it wins...
Only 3.8 Arete you don't have, actually!
Eating a fish off one's own line.
Ok, people we need to get Rank and SAVE for Magic Defeating Stance. We don`t have Gisena with us, so no Nullification. You might think Arisen Blood is good but we are attacking society of immortal magicians, so please be reasonable.
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- Location
- Philippines
forgive my affliction of addled but
isn't the entire temple just...Monsters Inc.
A bunch of fucks built up infrastructure based on the suffering (screams) of a being (children). They live and let die through with this lifestyle.
Then some guy (Mike Wazowski) comes along and offers a more sustainable manner (laugher of children) of living and we ended up cutting down Gramps goddamnit I couldn't even properly finish my thought.
isn't the entire temple just...Monsters Inc.
A bunch of fucks built up infrastructure based on the suffering (screams) of a being (children). They live and let die through with this lifestyle.
Then some guy (Mike Wazowski) comes along and offers a more sustainable manner (laugher of children) of living and we ended up cutting down Gramps goddamnit I couldn't even properly finish my thought.
Hmm, you know, if what we learned from the papers was true then...
Grabbing the Azure Ring, will nerf Soul Evocations of everybody involved, huh?
Though, I'll bet that there's an edge-case; if they have some "battery power" so to speak, squirreled away for a rainy day, then probably they can tap into their reserves in an emergency. But those reserves are probably finite. So.
So, question -- is it possible that, if Hunger acts fast enough, he could blitz his way to where the Ring is behind held and remove it, before all the Immortals are roused and marshaled to defend it?
Could we speed-gank them, basically?
Of course, if we're doing so, then Arisen Blood probably looks quite tempting. Due to its Agility Boost. And Protection boost, for that matter... ((... I really do want the Rank boost from Shameless though. Gaining Rank is very very nice...))
Grabbing the Azure Ring, will nerf Soul Evocations of everybody involved, huh?
Including that of the Immortals, won't it? "All but the mightiest relegated to effective mundanity" does not sound like "But if you're powerful enough, you avoid the nerfing entirely!" Admittedly, that could be the case, but... I think it's fair to assume some amount of nerfing involved. (There may also be other catastrophic consequences. I mean, besides the "everybody's electricity-equivalent goes out" stuff. There may or may not be other big problems immediately hitting.)
Though, I'll bet that there's an edge-case; if they have some "battery power" so to speak, squirreled away for a rainy day, then probably they can tap into their reserves in an emergency. But those reserves are probably finite. So.
So, question -- is it possible that, if Hunger acts fast enough, he could blitz his way to where the Ring is behind held and remove it, before all the Immortals are roused and marshaled to defend it?
Could we speed-gank them, basically?
Of course, if we're doing so, then Arisen Blood probably looks quite tempting. Due to its Agility Boost. And Protection boost, for that matter... ((... I really do want the Rank boost from Shameless though. Gaining Rank is very very nice...))
Question @Rihaku. Does that last line -- "You are treated as if in a form with corporeal blood, even if you would otherwise not be." -- also apply only if you are at Full HP, like all the rest of the bonuses? Or, does this give the ability to have corporeal blood in ghost form, no matter the amount of HP in said ghost form?
- Location
- Pindorama
I really think 2 Arete for Dominion is more than worth it here; we can push for a stance even with a 2 Arete setback, but that extra Rank requires picks we can't make on the fly. Cutting through is not just a matter of combat power, but leveraging all our abilities and even our circumstances, and all of that is best suited by a Rank increase. It literally improves our narrative power, and allows us to push back agasint the currents of the world. We are going against everything with Cut, pick rank to make them break towards us!
Pillars for the ultimate Fishing challenge! It's that or bust at this point.
Well, we can't afford a stance? If we have enough before the update comes I can see changing but I'm not willing to bank on that. War applies to any contest with meaningful stakes against an active opposition, whether they can man the defenses in time or we slip through seems like it qualifies.
I think the stance we need is Magic Defeating. We don`t have good magic defense and as I said, we are attacking a bunch of immortal magicians. +0.2 Rank is good but actually be able to not get insta gibbed by Capacitor will be better.
[X] Cut
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Feat: Shameless
SAVE GANG stay strong.
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In that case, let's take the option with a higher chance of success. I think our plans and build will be about equally (un)fitting for both situations.
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Feat: Shameless - +.25 Rank (2 picks).
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Upon reflection, I think I might be too attached to getting Rank for this vote, so I don't think I'm flipping to Incarnate any time soon. I'm willing to flip the remaining pick to a healing oriented vote, but as Hunger says, the wounds kind of become trivial at this level of bloodbending.
Zampano
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Your writing is highly evocative and you're an interesting conversation partner when the power dynamic of QM/quester doesn't get into my head...
but this is downright cruel. Are you explicitly endorsing the Quick/Vigor build? Invoking a proc of Self-Defeating Stance? Deliberately sabotaging the vote by accusing this build of having
Not in one million years of analysis will I be able to puzzle out what signal you intended me to glean from this message.
Anyway, this chapter is my favorite update from all of your quests that I've read. Really excellent work!
- Location
- Brazil
Honest question, has any of our tactics been good in the quest so far, or is the result mostly due to rolls/narrative? Because it always seems to be that Hunger either wins by ovherwelming power, or by age and treachery.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
The last few days of this quest, whoooh. I'm reeling from how my diplomacy dreams ended with a bang. Not in a salty way, it's absolutely hilarious. Pick Crimson Flare to help with diplomacy? Everything goes to shit instantly. Title? Terrifying. Guile-Defeating Stance for sneakery? Charge and slaughter. Tactics? Rejected. Avecarn? Ave, carn.
I didn't even get my powerpoint presentation. ;_;
I didn't even get my powerpoint presentation. ;_;
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- US
[X] Foment Rebellion
[X] Feat: Shameless - +.25 Rank (2 picks).
I like higher chances of success. Also Rank.
[X] Feat: Shameless - +.25 Rank (2 picks).
I like higher chances of success. Also Rank.
- Location
- Pindorama
Hey, remember how we could mitigate the dangers of the Temple through strategy and good decision making? Remember how we had so many diplo strategies for Infiltrating the Temple that just turned to dust?
Yeah, let's keep this simple, because in tactics we are our own worst enemy!
Zampano
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Rank + Opalescense might make sense for Prot? Or Rank + Fierce Quickening for the speed-blitz to the final boss fight? I won't be mad about Rank winning but it's not S T A T S so I won't be arguing for it.
Remember our idea to socially infiltrate the Temple. Here is how it went:
On our way to infiltrate the Temple we slaughtered everybody in our path. After that we met the badass grandpa and we bled him to death. Currently we are wondering should we spent Arete on more offense when we are attacking society of magicians and their bosses - immortal magicians. We don`t have Gisena with us and our magic defense sucks.
Strategy proposed so far in the quest that actually worked:
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Talace
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Both make sense to me!
If you think about it though, Rank is just a STAT in numerical form and not plus form!
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
I think Cut voters are underestimating how powerful the immortals could be. This is a pretty old civilization given it's residents have 1000 year lifespans and yet members of it have apparently died. Who knows how strong the oldest immortals are? Our age and treachery probably pale in comparison.
The idea behind Cut is to avoid fighting most of them. A roll of the dice to see which ones are on the ball enough to get between Hunger and the Ring in time.
Rihaku
The Internet
Hm... if she's going into combat directly after, this is probably by far the most prudent pick.
Assuming her native abilities can scale decently, she should probably go with these! Eating is healthy, after all.
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- Pindorama
Hey, Rank defends against esoteric stuff too, and I think we can make up the 2 Arete if we need to bu M-DS. I'm fine with Fierce Quickening though.
Even our winning strat against Vanreir was made by Hunger on his wholesome and everything we suggested that made it in was useless smh