A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Probably because before taking the extra rank from Crimson Flare the rank disadvantage was more overwhelming so Hero Defeating was better. Now that we've narrowed the gap we can afford to take Magic Defeating which is useful against a broader range of opponents since it seems like all the inner residents have a soul evocation but they might not all have overwhelming rank.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
I mean, I don't think Rihaku offering an option or not is indicative of the option's direct use. He didn't offer World-Defeating here, but he offered it in the last vote!
I agree that Guile is useful, but I would like to more weightily resist esoteric effects in general, especially as we get closer to the Ring.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Guile's better at straight social, Hero's better at straight combat but Magic is good at both since all the really strong social effects are likely to be soul evocations like the one Zea's cousin would of had.
If Magic-Defeating isn't as immediately useful, why do we need to take it now at all? We can buy Stances whenever, but rewards for important fights are much rarer.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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- They
Because we might not have enough arete when we need it. It's an pretty good combo of power and greed right now.
Apocryphal free period will be ending soon so mitigation will be very helpful. Add in the ability to nullify soul evocation and other Ring derived magic shit they might have, it's becomes an pretty good option. We are badly in need of defensive ability..
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Because if we buy them before a fight starts we don't get beat up before Hunger realizes we need one.
All I'm saying is that we might or might not have 7 Arete after buying a Stance for the fight reward, - I'm still a bit burnt out personally, - but it likely won't take more than one update to get another 7 Arete for the Stance afterwards. So we're just being prudent with the order of our spending, the result is largely the same.
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I'm actually feeling pretty good about our chances here, don't really care too much when Stance wins if any since their all decent, and since a fair amount of power in most stances is discounting their EFB, i'm willing to back Savegang here. Have to start saving for our Evening Sky EFB eventually anyhow.
[X] Combat
[X] No - S A V E.
- Location
- Italy
He offered World Defeating as a 14 Arete option alongside Guile while stating that it was a clearly inferior combination for this fight but that at very least it would have made All Defeating Stance easier to get.
Well about about other inner residents you're probably right, but for Avecarn we still have a 1.5 flat rank difference so I don't think it will helps us much. And for defensive purposes I'd rather get A King Stands Alone honestly:
The ability to sord not only physical but also esoteric attacks means we can use Praxis to outright deny any direct offensive Rank advantage our enemies may have. I'm still surprised we still haven't taken it honestly, it utterly trivializes being ganked up on (and the Inner Temple will stop sending one opponent at a time once they realize the risk we represent), puts a cap on the Rank bullshit our opponents can throw at us, and even gives us great stats (+3 to all Physicals thanks to the Willpower boost). Not surprised of how overpowered it is honestly, considered we unlocked the option out of an ESB.
Indeed. I understand that some people might want additional security given that Flare was weakest option among the three, although I am not sure if the investment is justified - still, I do think that buying MDS is somewhat of a mistake, as getting more focused picks afterwards will likely give us more value.
And if we feel like we're in trouble, well, that's a beauty of Stances; as long as there's an update and we have enough Arete we can buy them.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Today is a slow day, so I'm starting to doubt that we'll earn 7 Arete in time to spend it on the post-Avecarn build vote. Given that I'd really like to get some good stuff there, I'm swapping to Save mode.
[X] Combat
[X] No - S A V E.
Need to have enough Arete to get Gardener's Hallow/Rune King/Philosopher's Wreath/Azure Moon after all! Start getting those cross-system interactions - we've already had one with Edeldross Adept, but we need more.
[X] Combat
[X] No - S A V E.
Need to have enough Arete to get Gardener's Hallow/Rune King/Philosopher's Wreath/Azure Moon after all! Start getting those cross-system interactions - we've already had one with Edeldross Adept, but we need more.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
My justification for Arete expenditure is this: MDS is a fairly strong pick, given the value of curse mitigation. Beyond that however, collecting complications as well as Apocryphal procs will make life harder for us in the future, and divert both picks and Arete in order to be resolved. I would rather minimze the risk not just of death (which I think is fairly low) but also the risk of being forced to spend later on.
- Location
- Italy
[X] Combat
[X] Guile-Defeating Stance
[X] No - S A V E
[X] Guile-Defeating Stance
[X] No - S A V E
A better suited (and just more powerful) pick after the fight backed by 7 Arete would offset the penalties even if we get a complication. Still, my hopes of a diplomatic victory are also high so approval voting for now.
MDS is half-hearted option, here. You basically don't want security offered by HDS or GDS, but want to spend Arete on something relevant. If that's the case, go full on your greed and just don't buy MDS and save for next choice point - even if we end up taking pick only options, there's nothing stopping your getting MDS there.
[X] Combat
[X] No
I think it looks more and more like we'll end up fighting, so Combat it is! I see this as a decent option for keeping Aeira alive, less so than Stealth but more so than Business. Healing our liver is great, too. Perhaps more honest to say that I hope she'll be keeping us alive.
Travel to and fro between the Voyaging Realm and the Human Sphere seems like an extremely profitable endeavor. To that end I think keeping Aeira back home in the Sovereignty could actually work out well. We need Letrizia to meet and become friends with Aeira's contact back in the Sovereignty, or else we need to find another convenient means of communication and/or travel. Letrizia is a big girl, and can handle having her friends live far away.
As for the stance vote, I feel the power of SAVE running through my veins. We seem to have decent odds in both combat and social confrontation with Grandpa, so I'm banking on spending that Arete more efficiently alongside picks. The dream is to go for Evening Sky's EFB, but we'll see.
[X] No
I think it looks more and more like we'll end up fighting, so Combat it is! I see this as a decent option for keeping Aeira alive, less so than Stealth but more so than Business. Healing our liver is great, too. Perhaps more honest to say that I hope she'll be keeping us alive.
Travel to and fro between the Voyaging Realm and the Human Sphere seems like an extremely profitable endeavor. To that end I think keeping Aeira back home in the Sovereignty could actually work out well. We need Letrizia to meet and become friends with Aeira's contact back in the Sovereignty, or else we need to find another convenient means of communication and/or travel. Letrizia is a big girl, and can handle having her friends live far away.
As for the stance vote, I feel the power of SAVE running through my veins. We seem to have decent odds in both combat and social confrontation with Grandpa, so I'm banking on spending that Arete more efficiently alongside picks. The dream is to go for Evening Sky's EFB, but we'll see.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
I'll pore through the posts and see if he mentions "good odds" in a previous encounter. We can probably extrapolate from there.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
By the way Rihaku I was distracted arguing at the time but this blurb was amazing. The idea of someone equaling a progression curse bearer and gaining the abilities of someone as powerful as the maiden through raw intellect alone was incredibly inspiring.
Gave me flashbacks to the Sun King option from Seram's unnamed quest when he went from a novice to a master magician in the span of a single day.