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Sad to see the SAVE Squad to be so badly depleted in its membership. Perhaps it'd be best to delay Trinity pursuit to long-term strategy in light of us already having acquired 2 EFBs but it still chafes a little to spend so much when we're quite close to the end.

Regarding the Temple civilization, what actually is our plan after we take the Ring? Do we actually want to Ennoble the populace and build our empire from within the Voyaging Realm? Sounds like a lot of effort though and maybe our Accretion growth will be stifled due to lank of conflict, even if pivoting to administration might have serious enough stakes to generate picks and experience for Hunger. I'm of a mind to just steal the Azure Ring and abscond off with it, maybe after quickly decapitating the Temple's leadership by killing the Ring's jailers and replacing the Council with blood-boosted servants.

I'm not sure if I want to really pause our journey to stay in the Temple for even longer and using Crimson Flare to uplift their society sounds like Luseng all over again. Are we prepared to seize the Ring for ourselves and leave the Temple behind? Personally, I am leaning more to just have Hunger walk away since that's in his character but not sure what's the overall plan of other questers here. Let's not even consider the effects it'll have on our build plans cause that's a much more involved discussion which we'll have to consider again later on.
 
The Temple would provide a substantial populace to amplify the effects of, or lower the risk of, Rank gains... though one could say the same for the Sovereignty as well, the relative population sizes do favor the Temple. Assuming they survive your invasion.
 
[X] Guile-Defeating Stance
[X] Combat

Not sure if GDS rank stacks with OaF, but I know that HDS doesn't, and I still wanna get ADS.
 
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Why not. Keep ourselves afloat regardless.

Also it'll help screw over the inevitable Magic based soul evocation bs that's gonna be thrown at us. Plus it mitigates the liver issue somewhat.


[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
[X] Combat
 
Kurowari said:
Sad to see the SAVE Squad to be so badly depleted in its membership. Perhaps it'd be best to delay Trinity pursuit to long-term strategy in light of us already having acquired 2 EFBs but it still chafes a little to spend so much when we're quite close to the end.

Regarding the Temple civilization, what actually is our plan after we take the Ring? Do we actually want to Ennoble the populace and build our empire from within the Voyaging Realm? Sounds like a lot of effort though and maybe our Accretion growth will be stifled due to lank of conflict, even if pivoting to administration might have serious enough stakes to generate picks and experience for Hunger. I'm of a mind to just steal the Azure Ring and abscond off with it, maybe after quickly decapitating the Temple's leadership by killing the Ring's jailers and replacing the Council with blood-boosted servants.

I'm not sure if I want to really pause our journey to stay in the Temple for even longer and using Crimson Flare to uplift their society sounds like Luseng all over again. Are we prepared to seize the Ring for ourselves and leave the Temple behind? Personally, I am leaning more to just have Hunger walk away since that's in his character but not sure what's the overall plan of other questers here. Let's not even consider the effects it'll have on our build plans cause that's a much more involved discussion which we'll have to consider again later on.
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IKR? We just need to get Pillars and we are almost there..

Although, in this case I'm saving to spend! I'd much rather spend 7+2 Arete on High Marshall reward than 7 Arete on Stances.
 
Magic Defeating stance is pretty good. Since our build is currently all offensive power we're weak to effects we can't Cut Through. If we take Magic Defeating Stance we can Cut Through those as well thus negating our weakness!
 
LordOfMurder said:
Magic Defeating stance is pretty good. Since our build is currently all offensive power we're weak to effects we can't Cut Through. If we take Magic Defeating Stance we can Cut Through those as well thus negating our weakness!
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The main issues with our build are the relatively low Rank, lack of magic defense, lack of general protection and weak offensive magic.

Magic Defeating Stance is great, because it allows us to fight against Soul Evocators and be quite effective against them. - 7 Arete 0 picks
Vigor Incarnate will provide a conversion of Charisma into Protection which will cause it to skyrocket (300% increase) - 2 Arete 2 picks (top budget option)
Flare raised our Rank and we can affect rank 7 with debuffs.

Vote Magic Defeating Stance so we can actually fight Soul Evocators and show them the dreaded X-type in action.

Wolfy said:
Although, in this case I'm saving to spend! I'd much rather spend 7+2 Arete on High Marshall reward than 7 Arete on Stances.
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Pillars can wait until our build does not have glaring weaknesses. For the low price of 9 Arete you can pursue the Pillars in peace.
 
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But yeah, if we SAVE here we can get something like 7AP Sword Praxis upgrade plus Vigor Incarnate. That's a lot of firepower, which can easily be translate into clearing the temple.

Unless people want to go Ennoble and stuff for refund, that's super valid too. A bit on weaker side, but much stronger for diplomacy, and it would allow for a burst of power as we clear temple, which can easily be chained into Pillars.
 
[X] Combat
[X] No
I really don't want to spend arete here when we are about to get many options, a few unique, to spend it after we fight the Marshal.
Plus I don't want to reduce the risk and the possibility of dying. The harder the fight, the better the rewards. Its possible we will get less than 4 picks from the Mardhal if we get more powerful and miss Stranglethorn.
 
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
[X] Combat

Back to my first choice now that it's gaining traction, will switch back to guile in the morning if Hero is catching up.
 
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Wolfy said:
But yeah, if we SAVE here we can get something like 7AP Sword Praxis upgrade plus Vigor Incarnate. That's a lot of firepower, which can easily be translate into clearing the temple.

Unless people want to go Ennoble and stuff for refund, that's super valid too. A bit on weaker side, but much stronger for diplomacy, and it would allow for a burst of power as we clear temple, which can easily be chained into Pillars.
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I would like to save picks for RANKS honestly in case the negotiation fails and we win.
 
The more I think about it, the more MDS makes sense. Rereading the blurb has convinced me.

[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
[X] Combat

Rihaku said:
A Martial Stance of the Forebear. Grants high-grade defensive effect nullification against all hostile effects of supernatural origin, and quintuples the power of Ruin for purposes of cutting through enemy magics. Mitigate all Curses an additional half step beyond the first. This Stance is permanently active until switched for another [Type]-Defeating Stance. One of the pre-requisites for All-Defeating Stance. You may have [Rank/2, rounded down] Stances active at one time.
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Nullify Administration, cut through their Azure Ring derived magics.
 
Think about the stances like this: HDS guarantees survival and is best option for our situation now, improving the chances of dip victory and combat victory. GDS improves chances for a diplomatic victory, and would be useful in convincing people to do what we want as well as shielding us from the schemes of people that may do us harm.

The thing is, MDS is itself remarkably potent in that it reduces the risk for harm. HDS guarantees survival, but MDS prevents esoteric attacks (for which we have no other defense for), maintains a long-term directive, and makes the best use of Gisena in battle. Consider all the esoteric effects that the Administrator was stated to have, the various magical attacks that we can fend off with both HDS and GDS, but can nullify and prevent the harm of in MDS. Besides that, it mitigates curses, reducing the effect of Tyrant on diplomacy, Decimator on our civilization, Apocryphal on us, and Indenture (so we can take Gisena along with us, I suppose).

Also, a long-term view would notice that ADS is STACKED AF, and we should probably be building towards it.
 
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
[X] Stealth

Applicable in the long run.

As for the other choice, I think more info is better atm.
 
Rihaku said:
Given these and many lesser disruptions in Ritual activity, containment efficacy has fallen calamitously, down 8% in the last 72 hours.
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I wonder if freeing the priceless treasure, or at the least drawing out the immortals and irrevocably disrupting their society is easier than we're making it. Much of the central report is couched in terms of how the middle temple is a drain on the Inner society, diverting power from the inner ring to the outer ring to power their lands and soul evocation.

However, this sentence makes me think that the ritual grounds are some sort of array, a wider supporting structure that allows containment of the treasure, or proper tapping into its power. I suspect, in the fashion of twist of all dystopian societies ever, the ritual grounds and the middle temple will turn out to be the key to it all, more than they knew.

If hunger SMASHED all the outer perimeter of ritual grounds. I wonder if it would destroy their inner temple workings.
 
[X] Combat
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance


I already was a big proponent of Aeira, but I'm glad she so decisively proved her worth in this update and hope she ends up as a long term companion. Getting a bonus to progression not only makes it more likely and more useful the longer she stays with us. it also will make her Stealth and business acumen higher as time progresses due to faster gains in stats among other things. We've already invested quite a bit into keep our party competitive in the form of Edeldross buffs along with ring buffing with blood. Any boosts to these, Ennoblement, Wreath, and either Pillars or Total Eclipse that we are very likely to grab in the future will only compound on the bonus of progression we're taking for her now. Adding her in as a potent force multiplier in combat and helping fixing one of Hunger's exploitable weakpoints in only icing on the cheery for me.


Magic defeating stance makes it easier for Gisena to use Nullity around us and is going to help not only against Soul Evocation users but quite a few troublesome opponents in the sure. More importantly to me though is the curse mitigation, which should help avoid any Tyrant procs that lead to Diplomacy going awry.
 
[x] Combat
Visit the Elixir Sovereignty, where even the ninjas are good for you!
[x] Guile-Defeating Stance
"The Call feels more insistent these days, you must be under extra adventurer pressure. Especially since you keep sacrificing defenders on unprovoked and futile attacks against me."
"No, I don't see myself as a Middle Temple based outrider - I can already... obtain anything I want the Middle Temple has to offer."

I wonder how Gisena has improved by her own efforts.
 
Hirorubie said:
As it's a 0 pick, I believe we could vote for it whenever. It's 5 Arete right now if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: [ ] Forebear's Blade - Undying Vanguard - 5 Arete (0 picks).
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That's a solid point!

[X] Stealth
[X] Undying Vanguard

We've got three party members now and with our crazy stats and sky high loyalty +'s Vanguard is a better deal than ever before!
 
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