Remove ads

A Simple Transaction I

Reader mode
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Check up on Letrizia

...I talked myself into The King Stands alone.
Guys... It lets us actually fight an armament. Like, now. Without instantly being creamed. We would be in a better position against an Armament than we were against Vanrier. That is beyond ridiculous. Like so utterly beyond ridiculous.

And the +++Willpower is also +++Con, Str, and Agi. And +6 for all 4 when we get Stranglethorn. This is just absurd.
 
Catherine. That was Hunger's Wife's name.

Besides Cut Through, I feel satisfied that Hunger refuses to burn away the last memory of his wife. Then escalated it into becoming cornerstone of his strength.

Good shit.
 
I'm honestly a bit iffy how personally relevant a 5 arete boost is going to generally be for her magic system once Verschle is fully repaired. Feels like all her focus would be more relevantly used on actually piloting at that point rather than trying to in casting at the same time. Maybe some vertex's would still be relevant at rank 10?
 
Last edited:
[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena

The King stands alone is incredible. Rank ceases to matter nearly as much in fights past a certain point. We'd have as much trouble with a rank 8 as a rank 10.

Ruinous Valor for swording with both hands and to finally unlock princess carries.

Gisena, for Gisena screentime but also for Gisena weapon unlocks which would be incredibly OP with her increased stats and the power of nullity. Have a weapon that works against things with Rank is almost the same as having a power which isn't just more nullity!
 
SpectatingRaven said:
Seriously people do we really need the added offence to pass up a rare advancement that will boost the poor defences of Hunger? Remember that with Dreadnought's Bearing we can start getting countermeasures against exotic capabilities of our opponents.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Our protection is permanently crippled thanks to Uttermost, and Bearing has nothing on the ridiculous effect of The King Stands Alone on the greater situation, despite costing the same amount of arete and more picks.
 
[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander

Orm Embar said:
Also, The King Stands Alone is the name of an option from An End to Innocence back in Most High.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
That shows me for not rereading any other quests recently. That might be enough to push that vote out in front, for me. Also, have you read Unsong? I ask because I recall you saying, 'This is not a coincidence because nothing is ever a coincidence.' Earlier in the thread, which was a common quote in it. And Unsong also featured a character of almost Odyssial-like dedication.
 
Last edited:
Anyway guys, just because Bitch Hunger wants an arm doesn't mean it's the tactically sound decision here. +5 Strength is just not very important compared to the other stats and effects you could be getting, and Zweihander doesn't even work with the Sword Praxis since that requires a sword!

Strange9 said:
Hmm, I continue to want Rune King, but we don't actually have the Arete for it...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

You can go ahead and vote for it.

DarkSideBard said:
The King Stands alone is good for our build, and maybe rare, but strikes me as just a different flavor of Hero-Defying Stance
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It's a Royal Praxis technique, so better than Hero-Defeating Stance in almost all regards. Its Rank-nullifying ability is absurd and almost impossible to acquire otherwise, as is anti-numerical ability of that consistency and comprehensiveness. It does cost 1 more pick than a Stance would!

Byzantine said:
Ha! You just tacitly admitted it isn't entirely unique! :V. (You haven't hesitated to say that when it's come up in the past).
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Rather tenuous logic, but even if it's not unique that doesn't mean you'll see it again, and if you do it may not be in time for when you need it.

Orm Embar said:
Also, The King Stands Alone is the name of an option from An End to Innocence back in Most High.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

That's not all it is!
 
Rihaku said:
Good.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

"Picks and Arete are like heroin; the more you take, the more you need. Which is why the sober man finds solace in mystery."

[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Letrizia

Abilities that scale are good, as is having two arms.

King Stands Alone is critical. Whatever is in the Temple, capping its power level is required.

I like Letrizia enough to visit her, but not enough to give up King Stands Alone.
 
Forgot to make a placeholder vote

[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
 
Rihaku said:
Zweihander doesn't even work with the Sword Praxis since that requires a sword!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I mean, not directly. But the martial stances do work with it.

And, well, how many times are we actually going to be unarmed striking people when we can call our sword back to us and channel magic beyond comparison through it.

...And with The King Stand Alone, use it to force enemies into a ridiculous position where they have to fight us one by one.

Notably, this does not appear to stop us from having allies aid us during these match ups so...
 
Last edited:
Byzantine said:
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Check up on Letrizia

...I talked myself into The King Stands alone.
Guys... It lets us actually fight an armament. Like, now. Without instantly being creamed. We would be in a better position against an Armament than we were against Vanrier. That is beyond ridiculous. Like so utterly beyond ridiculous.

And the +++Willpower is also +++Con, Str, and Agi. And +6 for all 4 when we get Stranglethorn. This is just absurd.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
only caveat is that we're still a guy with a sword against a giant robot and it still has an overwhelming advantage
 
Rihaku said:
It's a Royal Praxis technique, so better than Hero-Defeating Stance in almost all regards. Its Rank-nullifying ability is absurd and almost impossible to acquire otherwise, as is anti-numerical ability of that consistency and comprehensiveness. It does cost 1 more pick than a Stance would!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

praxis praxis praxis praxis

Rihaku said:
Anyway guys, just because Bitch Hunger wants an arm doesn't mean it's the tactically sound decision here. +5 Strength is just not very important compared to the other stats and effects you could be getting, and Zweihander doesn't even work with the Sword Praxis since that requires a sword!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Ruin scaling with Strength is pretty busted!
 
Rihaku said:
It's a Royal Praxis technique, so better than Hero-Defeating Stance in almost all regards.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Huh. You know that's all you had to say, right?

(More seriously, this was unlocked since we took an EFB, so this is beyond your average 7 Arete option.)

[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
 
@Rihaku

I know this isn't intended, since the effect that lets us stand against an Armament is its limit on the advantage Rank can give, but could either The King Stands Alone or an eventual upgrade to it let us take on the pilot of an Armament first, and then have to fight merely the limited power of an unpiloted one?
 
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander

Not taking this now when we'd already decided we would commit to it would make us hypocrites. I'm not fond of that title, and I imagine most of you are not either.

[X] Upgrade Letrizia's Magic (from 2 Arete-equivalent to 7-Arete equivalent)
[X] Check up on Letrizia

I honestly don't really care about "muh silmarils optimal for the party" choices, I'd like to boost Letrizia's access to the best opportunity for personal magic that we are currently able to, and then make sure she's holding up alright and such. #ProtectThatSmile
 
[X] Prime - +.3 Astral Rank
[X] The King Stands Alone - 7 Arete

It's just too good for the expected dogpile when we get back to the temple.

[X] +1 re-roll, saved for next major roll

I'm less sold on this, it's pretty nice though.

[X] Check up on Gisena - +Gisena, +?

Hunger may or may not have formally graduated, his story is that memory is lost and he's sticking too it. Either way though he's too old for high school shenanigans.
 
George said:
only caveat is that we're still a guy with a sword against a giant robot and it still has an overwhelming advantage
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yeah, it has an overwhelming advantage plus its Shroud unique abilities plus its hypertech bio body with cutting-edge Human sphere strategic weaponry strapped to it. However, the matchup would certainly be a lot less bad than it is now!

Talace said:
Ruin scaling with Strength is pretty busted!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Is spending 3 picks on a relatively mediocre offensive ability better than getting +Rank or highly relevant Blood Advancement stats? Dreadnought's Bearing is also rarer...

vali said:
"Picks and Arete are like heroin; the more you take, the more you need. Which is why the sober man finds solace in mystery."

[X] +1 pick below
[X] The King Stands Alone
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Letrizia

Abilities that scale are good, as is having two arms.

King Stands Alone is critical. Whatever is in the Temple, capping its power level is required.

I like Letrizia enough to visit her, but not enough to give up King Stands Alone.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

You could just give up the arms... they'll be increasingly irrelevant as time goes on!
 
Rihaku said:
It's a Royal Praxis technique, so better than Hero-Defeating Stance in almost all regards. Its Rank-nullifying ability is absurd and almost impossible to acquire otherwise, as is anti-numerical ability of that consistency and comprehensiveness. It does cost 1 more pick than a Stance would!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

If it's a Praxis technique, then doesn't that mean we should see it again? I'm not against taking it, but there's a limited amount of Arete around in general and I'm not sure I want to drop into debt right away. Besides, if it comes up now for 1 Pick/7 Arete, then it's plausible that we might get it as an option for 2 or even 1 pick fights in the future. Better to regrow our arm now in order to solidify the foundation of Uttermost and Cut Through, and if we have to spend 7 arete on this technique, take it afterwards.

We could take both, but I think the virtual Arete gain to Letrizia still outcompetes burning 7 Arete and essentially two picks for it.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top