A Simple Transaction I
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Rihaku
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Vertex is far more useful in general, whereas Surgecraft is good for battle! The only time this is not the case is if you spend a ton of Arete on a highly versatile Surgecraft element, which it doesn't seem like you guys would want to do.
Indeed. Don't forget that you'll soon be venturing back to the Temple. Doubling your EHP is a huge boon that could well save your life. You can acquire Vertices with picks and spend 2 Arete on Bloodwraith, that should leave you with enough Arete given thread generation and debt to take Cut Through as desired. Remember: power compounds on itself! 100% more HP when your base stats are much higher due to Cut Through means a geometric improvement from your current baseline.
Maragas
Nothing to see here.
- Location
- Tree House
Harming daughteru for gain is a big no no, it never had a chance.
We still need to save for the Ring, we got enough power to safeishly get the Ruling Ring
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Surgecraft
I am most interested in the influence that the presence of Surgecraft will have on the development of the culture of the Separatist Colony and its relationship with the wider Human Sphere.
It seems like its ability to serve as a reasonably safe and reliable source of powerful magical combatants would transform it from an easily ignoble annoyance to the Empire into a highly valuable resource.
The fact that the children now possess irremovable access to Weapons of Mass Destruction and will be needed to serve as combatants if the Separatist Colony wishes to independently survive against the many threats seeking to destroy them will also have some fascinating impacts.
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Surgecraft
I am most interested in the influence that the presence of Surgecraft will have on the development of the culture of the Separatist Colony and its relationship with the wider Human Sphere.
It seems like its ability to serve as a reasonably safe and reliable source of powerful magical combatants would transform it from an easily ignoble annoyance to the Empire into a highly valuable resource.
The fact that the children now possess irremovable access to Weapons of Mass Destruction and will be needed to serve as combatants if the Separatist Colony wishes to independently survive against the many threats seeking to destroy them will also have some fascinating impacts.
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Analysis of the new options. I'll get around to liking all the posts after the update later. Also note that we have nearly 18 Arete already, so any further Arete we generate can be spent to improve our new magic system, or save for another EFB.
Do you want Cut Through literally next update? Here you go!
Pros: We can target that +2 picks no complication Rotspawn for easy low-risk 2 picks. Get Cut Through next vote.
Cons: if we get a bad roll we may end up with another complication. We have too many already!
AST1 if Gisena had a gun.
Good for relationship updates, but doesn't get us a lot besides that.
OK. I think we should really seriously be considering this. Rihaku has mentioned in the past that picks are a finite resource, unless we have Pillars of Creation. While we may be a long way away from running out of enemies that give us picks, the fact is that future still exists. By taking this we permanently unlock Pillars of Creation, we don't even have to get it right away we can wait until after Ruling Ring or whatever. It's only really necessary in the lategame after all. But in the very long term, we are really going to want this to keep our growth curve going. Let's make sure we have access to it.
It also can make companions immortal.
Finally, this gets us increased chances of healing conditions. That is very good, our poor liver deserves it.
Oh and +Gisena for Gisena Gang. Does not get Gisena a gun, but does get Gisena and Hunger relaxing in the Hot Springs.
Haha poor Letrizia.
This is very powerful but we don't want to be spending Arete right now. Also don't make Letrizia sad pls. There are better choices.
Learning how to navigate Doom of the Tyrant is very good, and the free stats are also nice. I think this pales in comparison to Hot Springs though.
This is very nice because it gives us something to do during downtime. However, the need to spend picks or Arete to use it is a drawback. It also synergizes with Evening Sky which is nice (we can have satellites in our sky cloak!)
Can be destroyed by Nullity is anti-synergy and a bummer though. "Demanding and time-consuming field" is also something to keep in mind.
This is great for our combat-focused style, but we'll need Arete to get a really good element. Should be fine if we make good on Omakes an discussion? We'll definitely be able to spend 2 Arete on this by next update, but getting to seven would be a lot harder unless we take the unthinkable step of delaying Cut Through. The thread won't go for that.
Still, a 2-Arete element will probably be pretty good, and this has much lower barriers to entry for Hunger then the other one.
Do you want Cut Through literally next update? Here you go!
Pros: We can target that +2 picks no complication Rotspawn for easy low-risk 2 picks. Get Cut Through next vote.
Cons: if we get a bad roll we may end up with another complication. We have too many already!
AST1 if Gisena had a gun.
Good for relationship updates, but doesn't get us a lot besides that.
OK. I think we should really seriously be considering this. Rihaku has mentioned in the past that picks are a finite resource, unless we have Pillars of Creation. While we may be a long way away from running out of enemies that give us picks, the fact is that future still exists. By taking this we permanently unlock Pillars of Creation, we don't even have to get it right away we can wait until after Ruling Ring or whatever. It's only really necessary in the lategame after all. But in the very long term, we are really going to want this to keep our growth curve going. Let's make sure we have access to it.
It also can make companions immortal.
Finally, this gets us increased chances of healing conditions. That is very good, our poor liver deserves it.
Oh and +Gisena for Gisena Gang. Does not get Gisena a gun, but does get Gisena and Hunger relaxing in the Hot Springs.
Haha poor Letrizia.
This is very powerful but we don't want to be spending Arete right now. Also don't make Letrizia sad pls. There are better choices.
Learning how to navigate Doom of the Tyrant is very good, and the free stats are also nice. I think this pales in comparison to Hot Springs though.
This is very nice because it gives us something to do during downtime. However, the need to spend picks or Arete to use it is a drawback. It also synergizes with Evening Sky which is nice (we can have satellites in our sky cloak!)
Can be destroyed by Nullity is anti-synergy and a bummer though. "Demanding and time-consuming field" is also something to keep in mind.
This is great for our combat-focused style, but we'll need Arete to get a really good element. Should be fine if we make good on Omakes an discussion? We'll definitely be able to spend 2 Arete on this by next update, but getting to seven would be a lot harder unless we take the unthinkable step of delaying Cut Through. The thread won't go for that.
Still, a 2-Arete element will probably be pretty good, and this has much lower barriers to entry for Hunger then the other one.
It offered only progression options and course of action choice, mostly clarifying what we have already committed to; I don't think so?
If so, oof, I don't think we really can omake-storm two days in a row, but it is worth trying anyway. And prime-time to shine for those people who expressed regret at being unable to participate in the original one.
Rihaku
The Internet
He's harming Verschlengorge, who's totally okay with it. Letrizia may be shocked that Verschlengorge obeys Hunger over her, but she already knew that intellectually, and needs to accept it emotionally at some point...
Well, any efforts by Empire or Republic to actually extract the mages might provoke a response from the Voyaging Realm...
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Suggestion for types of Rotspawn to target:
- Ones with swords, to try and get a Cut Through drop
- Ones related to trees, roots, thorns, bushes, stubbornness, or are particularly rooted in place (Stranglethorn/Fisher King)
- Ones missing eyes, with particularly strong resistance and constitution, or are alternatively very sturdy (Dreadnought's Bearing)
- Ones related to our Ring domains
- Ones with particularly high Willpower, so that we can raise our Willpower
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
4, really, and probably 5 since we'd be willing to push for that. (Since it would take a full 2 updates to reach the point we actually expend arete.)
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
I am intrigued by the idea with Gisena with a gun. If this is a weapon designed to battle powered armor then it should be capable of hurting opponents with 6+ rank. That's pretty strong when combined with nullity!
Enohthree
Hypersane
Honestly I'd be more down with Vertex if not for two things.
The first, buying Vertex seems like something we can only really do in this nation, since they invented this magic style. Maybe other places, but we shouldn't count on it if it took an infiltration mission to find.
The second is that we're bringing Gisena with us now that she's got stats, and if all of our stuff gets knocked out with a Tide of Nulity then that's whoever much wasted.
The first, buying Vertex seems like something we can only really do in this nation, since they invented this magic style. Maybe other places, but we shouldn't count on it if it took an infiltration mission to find.
The second is that we're bringing Gisena with us now that she's got stats, and if all of our stuff gets knocked out with a Tide of Nulity then that's whoever much wasted.
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
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- Hell
Okay, the use of picks for specific Vertex spells and the fact that it's actually a normal spell casting system have won me over.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
I wonder how nullity interacts with Pillars.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
"Oh god, that tickles!"
[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Vertex
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Vertex
Rihaku
The Internet
Don't underestimate the Tyrant's Doom!
I'd say it's very nice because it offers the actual utility one would expect from a magic system in a realistic timeframe! The downsides are rather small compared to that...
A 2-Arete element is unlikely to get what you in particular want from a magic system, i.e. noncombat utility, unless it's very narrow or not very powerful. Vertices, on the other hand, grant healing, shielding, and alternate damage types / damage vectors off the bat, and also offer buffs and more complex enchantments!
Nullifying a demiplane created with Accretion seems to be a little above Gisena's paygrade, at least until she can null reality properly.
Which she has the potential to, to be frank. She already did it once, even, although it almost killed her.
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- Omniverse #1345
And yeah, my primary reason for rejecting Vertex is as strong as it is Gisena is totally going to end up destroying it all multiple times as a result of an overcharged Tide of Nullity she ends up needing to do. Against Soul Evocation users one of our major advantages with Gisena around if we're a lot more capable of ignoring a Sea of Nullity than they are.
We do not want to change that.
We do not want to change that.
Don't underestimate a good Hotsprings!
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- Pindorama
Giant robot NTR? Hard pass, thanks.
More seriously, if we want to get Cuts as soon a possible than Bloodwraith is antisynergistic not just because of the Arete cost, but because the -1 one pick can seriously screw us over if we roll average in Studying the blade. That'd really hurt!
Vertices getting dispelled by Nullity is very annoying; and Surgecraft is a better fit for someone who has Hunger anyway. We can get utility from the Praxis! Battle is kind of our main concern at the moment given the Temple, so letting Surgecraft focus on that is fine.
Rihaku
The Internet
Preliminary vote count?
Swordblood would be possible, though also pretty redundant.
It being the weekend was probably a strong factor in the productivity of this latest omake storm as well!
Swordblood would be possible, though also pretty redundant.
It being the weekend was probably a strong factor in the productivity of this latest omake storm as well!
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
We could and probably will get another shot at Irisdescence or some other upgrade to take care of this at some point after we get Cut Through. Plus, Accretion is a Combat Leaning magic system, and Sword Praxis is likely to take a while to get any effects with utility applications
[x]Studying the Blade
[x]Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[x]Vertex
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I'll make my own suggestion here:
Try to target the stronger Rotspawn that will give us access to our missing two Ring Domains. While we need to be careful against boss-type Rotspawn we can defeat them with relatively little risk, and depending how quickly we reach Ruling Ring we can make Complications go fuck themselves. What's the harm of a complication that lasts 5 minutes before Hunger's healed it completely, as the full power of the Ring allows. It can even heal Tyrant-inflicted wounds, which are the equivalent of a mid-level devastating condition.
I personally find vertex to be more interesting and its synergy with evening sky and enhancement of stats could off set some of what uttermost did to its appeal. Also the idea of just having a crap ton of autonomous drones that are magic spells is neat.
On the other hand surgecraft could be really great if we invested Arete in it and we don't have to take it up immediately so we can wait till we are in a position to spend and I get the feeling that some variant to blood element could synergies with the ring for some amazing effects or perhaps just supercharge blood enhancement or something.
I think I'll sleep on this one and read through the arguments.
On the other hand surgecraft could be really great if we invested Arete in it and we don't have to take it up immediately so we can wait till we are in a position to spend and I get the feeling that some variant to blood element could synergies with the ring for some amazing effects or perhaps just supercharge blood enhancement or something.
I think I'll sleep on this one and read through the arguments.