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The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Or we could get the ability to raise rank whenever we want! Then we wouldn't have to rely on rare drops to get it.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Or we could get the ability to raise rank whenever we want! Then we wouldn't have to rely on rare drops to get it.
I am really, really hesitant to go for True Maiming when we haven't even upgraded the Evening Sky's poison/generalized protections. The Apocryphal Curse would fuck us so hard with supernatural plagues and we could never so much as smell Gisena's cooking. Not that the other options are better, Punctured Soul is awful and may not expire before Bearic comes back, making it an effective death sentence. Lingering Exhaustion lays us out for at least a week, but at least the subsequent one's only Tired, both conditions we have 25% mitigation for. We have three days of downtime at minimum with Maiming anyway, it's 'only' more than double the lost time. Fuck it, maybe with enforced bed rest we can finally ditch some goddamned debuffs, I have had my fill of risk:
[X] Lingering Exhaustion
Undecided about the upgrade, but Ruinous Valor is... increasingly fitting and doesn't rely on Rank exertions. Uttermost is quite cool as well, though the Tyrant aspect's a significant downside.
[X] Lingering Exhaustion
Undecided about the upgrade, but Ruinous Valor is... increasingly fitting and doesn't rely on Rank exertions. Uttermost is quite cool as well, though the Tyrant aspect's a significant downside.
Rihaku
The Internet
Preliminary vote count?
Tyranny doesn't mean skipping out on society... as for the stat penalties, the strongest options often come with the worst drawbacks! But they are the strongest, nonetheless. Getting ++++Int and 7x attack travel speed and damage is pretty absurd, to say nothing of the other stats...
She just has to run around, strafe and kite!
He hasn't changed his mind.
The lower level?
Final Form isn't dependent on Form of Rage, no. If Form of Rage doesn't proc and you have Final Form, you go directly into it.
Unerring is actually much better than you give it credit for, especially in the short term...
Mm... Dreadnought's Bearing + Iron Curtain is also an avenue to explore! Turn your stats into their own conceptual abilities!
Tyranny doesn't mean skipping out on society... as for the stat penalties, the strongest options often come with the worst drawbacks! But they are the strongest, nonetheless. Getting ++++Int and 7x attack travel speed and damage is pretty absurd, to say nothing of the other stats...
She just has to run around, strafe and kite!
He hasn't changed his mind.
The lower level?
Final Form isn't dependent on Form of Rage, no. If Form of Rage doesn't proc and you have Final Form, you go directly into it.
Unerring is actually much better than you give it credit for, especially in the short term...
Mm... Dreadnought's Bearing + Iron Curtain is also an avenue to explore! Turn your stats into their own conceptual abilities!
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
The Outer temple. Aka the sane option we abandoned in favor of the insane breach the middle option that led to this vote.
Now we outclass them by too much to benefit from them at all.
From what I'm seeing aside from the occasional super-drop there is no reason to take the risky higher-pick choice much of the time. Growing faster just meaning leveling beyond safe enemies faster.
OctarineShrike
I ask again, what does Hongyuan need?
Tally incoming.
I'm just going to repeat that the biggest issue with the temple is how varied the Mon selection is once you get in the tall grass. No matter what we take here we're not going to be able to grow to world beater status from this alone. So Ranks ability to tilt the scales towards suitable encounters for us is very valuable.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Think about how boss it would be to have Stranglethorn + Rune King/ANOTHER EYE + Dreadnought's Bearing + Iron Curtain! Vote Stranglethorn, and see that percentage of death crawl asymptotically to zero!
OctarineShrike
I ask again, what does Hongyuan need?
Yeah I've been convinced Stranglethorn can be awesome if we run into Linear Halo again.
- Location
- Pindorama
This dude was called the First Blade. It's likely we have just deal a significant blow to their martial readiness by killing Vanreir. We are closer than ever. We just need to rest a bit.
We are committed.
Safer enemies will never let us get four-picks and 7-arete options. Just see the Knight ambush we defeated as proof.
Uttermost is definitely good, the biggest drawback is sacrificing Form of Rage, something we literally have never used because Hunger is too intelligent and rolls like a god. I support any four-pick at this point; that or just buying War here.
The problem with getting a Soul Evocation is that we will likely need to train it, something we are disadvantaged towards heavily. Now, it does come with some of the user's skill in the immediate term so it's on the moment we get it; bu it doesn't bode well for future improvements. The Evocation most likely to see immediate combat benefits also seems the least popular because people want esoterica. Also we would be using the Ring to trap people's souls, which, uh...
Still, in the name of saving up, mu vote for condition will be :
[X] Lingering Exhaustion
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce QuickeningX2
[X] Fierce QuickeningX3
[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion - War
My desire for cool fights is struggling with my desire for an EFB, and due to thread peer-pressure I've decided to let the latter win for now. My urges are sated for the moment anyway, that fight was really cool.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If we take True Maiming here I expect we'd be able to attack Outriders for 2 or even 3 picks with minimal chance of death or mini-boss interrupt
Rihaku
The Internet
Anyway guys, I must say, the total accrued bonus for this fight going into the roll was an impressive sum. You also rolled well on top, the devastating complications presented here are actually the least severe of the lot, plus you got access to some very premium 3- and 4-picks! It's up to you now to take advantage of this opportunity you've seized through your blood, sweat and tears!!
A Thousand Cuts causes normal attacks to inflict cursed wounds like the Fell-Handed Stroke and causes the Fell-Handed Stroke itself to strike with sevenfold strength and speed, yup. First Blade makes every attack with sword a Fell-Handed Stroke.
I think people see the Forebear as more threatening / dominating than these other enemies. You can outscale the randoms, you might not be able to outscale the Forebear's influence before it alters you.
4-picks are qualitatively different from 2 x 2-picks... if you stick to safe enemies, you may never even see 3-picks like Dreadnought's Bearing! Of course, there is a time for playing it safe anyway, especially if you've got a synergistic build down and only need incremental improvements.
A Thousand Cuts causes normal attacks to inflict cursed wounds like the Fell-Handed Stroke and causes the Fell-Handed Stroke itself to strike with sevenfold strength and speed, yup. First Blade makes every attack with sword a Fell-Handed Stroke.
I think people see the Forebear as more threatening / dominating than these other enemies. You can outscale the randoms, you might not be able to outscale the Forebear's influence before it alters you.
4-picks are qualitatively different from 2 x 2-picks... if you stick to safe enemies, you may never even see 3-picks like Dreadnought's Bearing! Of course, there is a time for playing it safe anyway, especially if you've got a synergistic build down and only need incremental improvements.
Enohthree
Hypersane
[X] Lingering Exhaustion
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
"Gisena can convince us that Liz's house attempt to insist that don't threaten people we at first had no intention of threatening doesn't mean that we fly into rage" is very valuable even at one stage mitigation.
- Location
- Brazil
I will interpret this as Hunger
My first and Uttermost priority is ultimately Hunger's survival, and Uttermost is the most beneficial in the short-term. ++all stats, the sheer power of Fell-Handed stroke, and a pure power EFB costing 18 Arete, allowing us to Cut trough things at an conceptual level, and we will likely need something of that magnetude to breach trough the inner temple.
Basically, Uttermost gives us the tools that we need to survive. That, and Inhertor. Stranglethorn, on the other hand, is something that i feel like it's not enough. We need more avenues of power, more than raw strenght, to defeat this temple. Uttermost gives us power to cut, even that which cannot be cut, while Inhertor gives us immense raw power(imagine taking Vanreir's raw speed, and it might be form of rage compatible. I absolutely hate the mental contamination, and what it means to take a soul prisioner, but unfortunately these are things that have to be sacrificed in the altar of survival.
Remember, Rihaku has all but stated in the last update that if we want to breach the inner temple, we need some degree of power that isn't raw strenght. Uttermost and Inhertor are the only ones that gives us that, Inhertor even more so in the short-term.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
She can just be our go-between and never relay that insistence
Also its wording was way, way worse than 'can convince'
Perfect for the anti-Ruling Ring faction!
ThatGazzer
Minds Eye Bind
- Location
- PNW
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Punctured Soul
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
This whole Temple Run triggers Stranglethorn, yeah?
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
This whole Temple Run triggers Stranglethorn, yeah?
Anyway, +Rank. See some of our previous offers for Rank:
Feat: Kinslayer gives 0.7 Astral Rank. Since our Rank gains are slower now, in relation to the above, we can consider it effectively higher, probably somewhere in 0.7-0.8 range.
In other words, it has a value of around 6-8 picks compared to previous upgrades. And those were also from difficult fights, not the kind Hunger is going to have that often, especially after thisbefore we forget the fear of death again hellooo Gondar~.
The same argument can, of course, be made for other 4-pick options. But at least with this lineup, Rank is also a safer choice. Its effects are all-encompassing and supreme, and it doesn't gut parts of our build like the other two.
Feat: Kinslayer gives 0.7 Astral Rank. Since our Rank gains are slower now, in relation to the above, we can consider it effectively higher, probably somewhere in 0.7-0.8 range.
In other words, it has a value of around 6-8 picks compared to previous upgrades. And those were also from difficult fights, not the kind Hunger is going to have that often, especially after this
The same argument can, of course, be made for other 4-pick options. But at least with this lineup, Rank is also a safer choice. Its effects are all-encompassing and supreme, and it doesn't gut parts of our build like the other two.
- Location
- Brazil
Funnily enough, i deduced that in the post above.
Also, for aesthetics for losing form of rage: When Hunger dies, all that lingers is the wraith beneath, all but a pale shadow of his former self, and yet, that shadow might be just enough to allow him to survive if defeated...
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeah, sure but if we're going to vote to Breach again without first at least waiting for Gisena to be finished with her buff or taking a break, then we should just vote
[ ] Commit suicide for power
and skip all the bullshit middleman nonsense. I know Hunger is ride or die on the Temple but we absolutely don't have to be. That's what I mean by say "just happened." 3 days of break is not much to ask, especially when we can spend those days buffing our companions.
I think all of the options leave us fucked by the Apocryphal Curse. Exhaustion means we effectively can't grind for the precious few days we've got free from it while Punctured Soul is gonna have it calling up Bearic the second it's allowed the act. At least vulnerability to plagues and poisons is something we've already got an avenue of mitigation to pursue and won't completely fuck us in the short term.
Didn't you vote for Breach too?
Strangethorn is primarily a timeskip thing, we won't see any real benefits from establishing ourselves in a relevant timeframe.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Which means we spent the full 25 arete on it. Do not be fooled! It eats rage without us having ever used it.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
It probably won't, given that the time it took to proc Establishment was described in terms of timeskips. But, it definitely will proc for our overall goal of conquering the Human Sphere! This creates massive benefits to eliding the tedious process of actually conquering!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
For .2 or .25 Rank we've had to spend 2 picks or face 10% chance of death; here we can get .7
Remember that exerting our Rank was critical for this fight; with this much more, we could have just blasted apart that seal or held the exertion for much, much longer.
We'd still need to spend time and effort, which have been in incredibly short supply so far.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Only after the option I was shilling got crushed. Again.
I'm willing to take risks but am annoyed by how the thread is pushing needless ones.
- Location
- Brazil
As much as i think it's fair to criticize people for taking the breach, i don't think 2-3 picks would be enough to significantelly alter the odds of this fight. Hell, we dealt with what's likely the worst the middle temple has to offer, the best thing we can do is grind now. Of course, i might be completely wrong in that.
No amount of grinding the outer temple would have left us ready for this.
No amount of grinding the outer temple would have left us ready for this.