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I agree that our best option is to complicate the situation for him as much as possible. Moreover, I'd like to survive!

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Give me badass fights or give me death
Ah, but you underestimate the possibility of both!
 
They were such wondrous rumors of the Land Inside, and yet the veil of secrecy was profound, so much so that even an Outrider of his exalted rank didn't warrant concrete details. Of all the scattered peoples who'd come together around the Ring, his House had had the most precipitous fall. Once a legend, now a cautionary tale.

Y'know, Letrizia is the Duchess of an interstellar civilization filled with wonders beyond the ken of those in the Voyaging Realm. Could we offer him a position of nobility there in exchange for his service? The people within the Inner Ring are exploitative dicks who've clearly taken advantage of all these people in a horrible way and given the lack of information he has on the situation in the Inner Ring, he has no guarantee his sister will truly be able to succeed, especially if she's facing against the entrenched interests of their house's ancestral enemies.

Also, offer our assistance in resolving the issues of his bloodline soulbond. While he might be okay with dying for his House, there's no way his sister wants to lose her brother, especially not so young. Speaking of bloodlines, we could also offer to restore and purify the strength of his. His internal monologue indicates that these powers were lost and it was only through excruciating effort on his father's part and the sacrifice of his own life that they were able to rediscover it. Will his house ever truly be safe after he dies if his power dies with him? Our assistance could make them truly resurgent, never to fade again.

And be maximally genuine about all of this. Getting this guy's assistance would be amazing so there's no reason to fuck him over.
 
I wonder... Can we offer him and his sister something better?

He wants into the Inner Ring for his sister's sake. But in all probability Letrizia's Empire is probably a better place to live, being outside this insane place, and all. Could we offer him and his sister asylum and true safety from this place and the monsters he's been forced to work for for his sister's good?
 
Since his mentality is all about reducing his actions into a "simplest" form; both dialogue and fighting are well served by trying to break that naive worldview of his. Hunger is well positioned to do it, in this respect; he knows that sacrifice, even of what he held most dear, is not the end; nor is it enough to overturn the systems of a world. If he gives of himself so utterly to achieve his ends, by the end they are just going to snuff him out. It happened to his father, and it will likely happen to his sister too. He is just a pawn to them, useful in the moment but discarded the moment he becomes an inconvenience. If he spends himself, sacrifices himself, he won't be able to protect what he holds most dear. Only by walking away, or by breaking the system, he can have peace.

He can be powerful by committing everything to a single thrust, a linear action, but the world is a far bigger place than that. By single-mindedly pursuing this goal, devoting everything towards that single action, he becomes unable to see the bigger picture. To see the exploitation and tragedy for what it is, and that becoming an Inner Resident won't be the end; far from it. We have to make him see this.
You know, that could work if not for one important thing.
His thrusts works, how can we break his belief in it when we cannot stop it?
 
Hmm, we would need a direct fell handed on the fault line to split the two of them, but if we flooded his father's part with vigor or something I wonder if that would disturb the balance the two of them achieved, or if would just be counterproductive.
 
Y'know, Letrizia is the Duchess of an interstellar civilization filled with wonders beyond the ken of those in the Voyaging Realm. Could we offer him a position of nobility there in exchange for his service? The people within the Inner Ring are exploitative dicks who've clearly taken advantage of all these people in a horrible way and given the lack of information he has on the situation in the Inner Ring, he has no guarantee his sister will truly be able to succeed, especially if she's facing against the entrenched interests of their house's ancestral enemies.

Also, offer our assistance in resolving the issues of his bloodline soulbond. While he might be okay with dying for his House, there's no way his sister wants to lose her brother, especially not so young. Speaking of bloodlines, we could also offer to restore and purify the strength of his. His internal monologue indicates that these powers were lost and it was only through excruciating effort on his father's part and the sacrifice of his own life that they were able to rediscover it. Will his house ever truly be safe after he dies if his power dies with him? Our assistance could make them truly resurgent, never to fade again.

And be maximally genuine about all of this. Getting this guy's assistance would be amazing so there's no reason to fuck him over.
...It seems we had the same thought at the same time. I expect just offering his sister safety, comfort, and the Protection that a progression-cursebearer can gain is probably a tempting offer, to him. He has no true connection to this place beyond his father believing it to be the safest place for his sister. If we can convince him that Outside can be safer and have a higher standard of living...
 
His body's discorporation had not yet become apparent, his secret unrevealed. Time enough for two souls to do what one could not.
Thinking about what the "body's discorporation" oxymoron even means, especially in the context of blood tactics. If it is discorporate it doesn't have blood, so we can't debuff it. But there is a body, sooo.

Their power relies on their unity, we can affect blood, only one has blood. Maybe... strengthen the Vanreir blood so the Unerring Blade becomes the Unerring blade, the tang slipping from the hilt?

The problem is the "bloodline" thing, the conceptual nonsense is working against us here. But we're the one with the ring, so we might have leeway to minimize the similarities and focus on the differences to cut these guys apart. That which is complex, is also weak.
 
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You know, that could work if not for one important thing.
His thrusts works, how can we break his belief in it when we cannot stop it?
Take it head on and break his sword as a symbolic gesture, I imagine. We don't need to prove it doesn't work exactly; just that it won't be enough.
Y'know, Letrizia is the Duchess of an interstellar civilization filled with wonders beyond the ken of those in the Voyaging Realm. Could we offer him a position of nobility there in exchange for his service? The people within the Inner Ring are exploitative dicks who've clearly taken advantage of all these people in a horrible way and given the lack of information he has on the situation in the Inner Ring, he has no guarantee his sister will truly be able to succeed, especially if she's facing against the entrenched interests of their house's ancestral enemies.

Also, offer our assistance in resolving the issues of his bloodline soulbond. While he might be okay with dying for his House, there's no way his sister wants to lose her brother, especially not so young. Speaking of bloodlines, we could also offer to restore and purify the strength of his. His internal monologue indicates that these powers were lost and it was only through excruciating effort on his father's part and the sacrifice of his own life that they were able to rediscover it. Will his house ever truly be safe after he dies if his power dies with him? Our assistance could make them truly resurgent, never to fade again.

And be maximally genuine about all of this. Getting this guy's assistance would be amazing so there's no reason to fuck him over.
...It seems we had the same thought at the same time. I expect just offering his sister safety, comfort, and the Protection that a progression-cursebearer can gain is probably a tempting offer, to him. He has no true connection to this place beyond his father believing it to be the safest place for his sister. If we can convince him that Outside can be safer and have a higher standard of living...
Given these quotes:
Of all the scattered peoples who'd come together around the Ring, his House had had the most precipitous fall. Once a legend, now a cautionary tale.
A high-energy rift experiment gone wrong displaced her in space and time. Hurled centuries into the future, she is now the sole pureblooded inheritor of the Amarlt lineage, the main branch having long consumed itself in a fiery internecine war.
I suspect they know full well what is outside the Voyaging Realm. There might be even political consequences to the return of an Amarlt, given what was implied about Catherine. So I suspect just saying that they can come with us to a land they were exiled from might not go over so well. Even if there is no resentment about it, he might just straight up not believe us.
 
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There are some good tactics already:

You know, due to the mechanics of our Progression, if we killsteal our allies of convenience, we'd get a pretty major combat relevent buff which we could use to out-escalate this crazy guy.
this is brilliant imo, except that we've seen the Ring take some time to consolidate power from kills into new techniques. It'd leave us vulnerable while we digest the killsteal.

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Sooo... yep, this is me conspicuously not voting for a build 'cause SORD isn't on the menu
spit out some bladewinds, Fell-Handed if possible, take control of them, and bring them circling around/above us in wait?
  • He can't cancel out of his thrusts. This means feints are the most effective way to get him to overextend.
Trying to obscure vision as much as possible might be quite helpful in this fight, and would help with withdrawl. Maybe attack the enviorment to try and get dust to obscure vision. Range might be meaningless, but he still needs to know where we are to kill us.
Could we offer him a position of nobility there in exchange for his service?
Our assistance could make them truly resurgent, never to fade again.
Could we offer him and his sister asylum and true safety from this place and the monsters he's been forced to work for for his sister's good?
I support these, specifically, and the rest, more generally
 
I suspect they know full well what is outside the Voyaging Realm. There might be even political consequences to the return of an Amarlt, given what was implied about Catherine. So I suspect just saying that they can come with us to a land they were exiled from might not go over so well. Even if there is no resentment about it, he might just straight up not believe us.
They would likely become the inheritors of a fallen house. Or become it's second and third... I very much suspect Catherine would be glad for the company, if nothing else. Unfortunate we haven't met her. ...Although Letrizia might just know about their House.

Back up by an Armament, promises of the duchess of another house, and two wanderers of significant power...

It is, in truth, a tempting offer for one who has seen his House fall even further and knows in his heart that no matter what he does, even if he is successful his sister will never be fully accepted in the Inner Ring.

He, personally, has likely only ever head tales about what it outside the Voyaging Realm. A promise of an in to restore his lost house in the place that they fell from, with one that has the aura of the Forebear about him? He may just decide that these fucks in the Temple are doomed to failure soon enough, so he should see about his sister claiming back her legacy in full, not this shadow of it.
 
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I was thinking about adding some empty griping about how Zweihander would make this pretty easy since we could just go Bladelock -> Forebear Punch but it felt kinda pointless. That lack of arms is a real bummer.



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Sufficiently erratic vertical movement through Fall of Night's weight manipulation might be another answer to his abilities, in away that's less predictable than simple strafing. Take the fight from 2D to 3D and thrusting ends up covering vastly less proportional area and the time it would take to reorient would be much greater since he'd have to flip around in mid air. From there, we could hit him with a blade-wind empowered Thousand Cuts, which might be the end if he's already seriously wounded.
Okay, so. Can we spit out some bladewinds, Fell-Handed if possible, take control of them, and bring them circling around/above us in wait? The timing wouldn't have to be so tight, and he'd have more to be wary of, and bringing them all to bear at once to punish him for a thrust could be devastating. Would be exhausting, even with Fall of Night, I'd bet. But I'd really like to turn this into a Bullet Hell game. A Thousand Cuts.
Since his mentality is all about reducing his actions into a "simplest" form; both dialogue and fighting are well served by trying to break that naive worldview of his. Hunger is well positioned to do it, in this respect; he knows that sacrifice, even of what he held most dear, is not the end; nor is it enough to overturn the systems of a world. If he gives of himself so utterly to achieve his ends, by the end they are just going to snuff him out. It happened to his father, and it will likely happen to his sister too. He is just a pawn to them, useful in the moment but discarded the moment he becomes an inconvenience. If he spends himself, sacrifices himself, he won't be able to protect what he holds most dear. Only by walking away, or by breaking the system, he can have peace.

He can be powerful by committing everything to a single thrust, a linear action, but the world is a far bigger place than that. By single-mindedly pursuing this goal, devoting everything towards that single action, he becomes unable to see the bigger picture. To see the exploitation and tragedy for what it is, and that becoming an Inner Resident won't be the end; far from it. We have to make him see this.
Supporting these as well.
 
They would likely become the inheritors of a fallen house. Or become it's second and third... I very much suspect Catherine would be glad for the company, if nothing else. Unfortunate we haven't met her. ...Although Letrizia might just know about their House.
Catherine is dead though. I think of the Lesser Remittance characters only Prosselarch would still be kicking if didn't chose him? The Amarlt family is likely just over and it's Armament taken by this point.
Back up by an Armament, promises of the duchess of another house, and two wanderers of significant power...

It is, in truth, a tempting offer for one who has seen his House fall even further and knows in his heart that no matter what he does, even if he is successful his sister will never be fully accepted in the Inner Ring.
If he can just leave and become a duke immediately; why hasn't he done so? Clearly he thinks there is danger to him going outside. Especially since his family came here to flee the war, most likely. What if his enemies are still in power? Hell, what if they want to kill him just so he doesn't get a claim to an Armament?

We are strong, certainly, but we can't even take on the Inner Temple; how are we supposed to protect him from an interstellar civilization? Even Letrizia's influence has limits, especially if we suspect she has been set-up once before; defending Amarlt might be just the opening they need to try to get rid of her for good.

We can't actually guarantee his safety in the Human Sphere, is what I'm getting at, we are currently just too weak.
 
We have blood-sense, he does not. Trying to obscure vision as much as possible might be quite helpful in this fight, and would help with withdrawl. Maybe attack the enviorment to try and get dust to obscure vision. Range might be meaningless, but he still needs to know where we are to kill us.
I love the idea, and it would be awesome to have a hiding-in-the-mist-jutsu. With our current powerset, your dirtsplosions should be possible, if noisy but combined with controlling fall speed he shouldn't be able to predict our future location exactly.

Might be more straightforward to blind him blind him, he's already halfway there. Also reminds me that Hunger should also avoid being stabbed in the eye, lol.

Bladewind spam in the face, like flappy bird attacks, should be incredibly annoying for him. Might obstruct vision even if they don't get his eye.

Ooh! Our +Protection is likely to get Thrust through, poor mantle didn't ask for this. Put it to another use. Wrap the Evening Sky around his eye, that he shall see only stars.

Of course, he might be able to use Rank to aimbot, but there's no reason not to try it anyway.
 
Man it's been pretty difficult to simply not choose the most suicidal action.

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I'll get a reaction and analysis up in the morning to hopefully get us out of Arete Debt.
 
Would you prefer to turn him, for fewer (or no picks), or defeat him in battle for far more picks, however? That is a salient question if you are skilled and lucky enough to win.

I'm surprised that Close of Day is so far behind. His state there would render him more vulnerable to the Fell-Handed Stroke than at start, and his exhaustion means his supernatural powers would be tapped much more frequently...
 
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