- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Don't be disingenuous. The odds are a hell of a lot better than a coinflip when Form of Rage is taken into account.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Zampano
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- Location
- Simping for DSB
So do you want me to switch to balance or no?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Frankly based on our reliance on it I fully expect the first time we need it we are going to fail the roll and flat out die.
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- Omniverse #1345
I'm not. That is entirely honestly the odds I'm putting of us surviving completing the ring and a fight after to actually leverage the growth increase.
I may be being pessimistic, but our odds of dying have been skyrocketing, and with the weakest build they're going to jump again.
- Location
- Philippines
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War
[X] Heedless War
I am the salt of my vote.
Logic is my body. Hubris is my blood.
I have voted over a hundred times.
Unknown to synergy, nor known to consequences.
Withstood countless arguments, awaiting for consolidation.
I am but Regret, yet there is only one Quest.
So As I Vote
Unlimited. Build Votes...!
Logic is my body. Hubris is my blood.
I have voted over a hundred times.
Unknown to synergy, nor known to consequences.
Withstood countless arguments, awaiting for consolidation.
I am but Regret, yet there is only one Quest.
So As I Vote
Unlimited. Build Votes...!
Rihaku
The Internet
What's the current vote count?
Hunger doesn't want to farm Astral Beasts, he wants to free the Ring! Recall his comments from Fending Off. The plan is Verschlengorge is somewhat healed is for Letrizia + stronger Verschlengorge to continue fending for themselves while Hunger and Gisena get the Temple done.
Interesting concepts! You really captured the idea of a Defining Advancement well, though the +Rank from the second one is a bit excessive!
They also win by coordination between two sides willing to de-escalate! Whether that's a feat the thread is capable of, is up to you guys!
Nah, it's considerably less greedy than Apex, and Apex was fine with good target selection.
You're just like a Vampire, with a second stage that's a lingering wraith considerably weaker than the corporeal body. And, of course, the final form of berserker fury when you must finally go all-out! Makes sense since your power stems from Blood...
Hunger doesn't want to farm Astral Beasts, he wants to free the Ring! Recall his comments from Fending Off. The plan is Verschlengorge is somewhat healed is for Letrizia + stronger Verschlengorge to continue fending for themselves while Hunger and Gisena get the Temple done.
Interesting concepts! You really captured the idea of a Defining Advancement well, though the +Rank from the second one is a bit excessive!
They also win by coordination between two sides willing to de-escalate! Whether that's a feat the thread is capable of, is up to you guys!
Nah, it's considerably less greedy than Apex, and Apex was fine with good target selection.
You're just like a Vampire, with a second stage that's a lingering wraith considerably weaker than the corporeal body. And, of course, the final form of berserker fury when you must finally go all-out! Makes sense since your power stems from Blood...
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Here's an offer: Get a statement from Rihaku which says that, yes, we have a 50% chance (or better) of dying with the Ring vote, and I will swap to any vote of your choice for this vote. Fail to do so, and you will move your vote over to Ring.
Deal?
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- Omniverse #1345
Nope. But check the chances on each of the fights we've decided between and do the math. Taking the weakest build with another escalation like that and our odds are terrible. We'll have to take at least the middle option to be sure we can actually get the last preeminence, so that will make them worse. Then we have to spend all our arete and most of our picks on that, which will get us the ring. Which will delete the rank increases. Which will put us further behind when we now need to fight a sufficiently challenging opponent to actually leverage our shiny xp boost.
All together? The chance of death is ridiculous.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Thank you so, so much.
I was genuinely feeling tense and irritated at the idea of fucking up the currently cool aesthetic of our build. But this actually helped me relax a lot and probably saved my day. It even fits with the Decimator's Affliction!
Now I feel like I can actually fight for this.
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- Omniverse #1345
No. Rihaku never actually answers any questions I ask. I think I'm too annoying.
You know what. Fuck it. The sooner hunger dies the sooner I can stop being an obsessive idiot.
[X] Heedless War
To suicide!
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Ah yes, our skyrocketing chances of death, which reached an entire... *checks notes* 1% with the Hunter Trio. We won't be going for the last preeminence until we actually have the Arete to spend on it, so as long as we play it safe with our target selection we should be fine. Pessimistically, even if we end up with, say, a 5% chance of death for three combats before the pure power options we take more-or-less even out the curve, that's still a 14% chance of death, likely reduceable further with tactics and/or meatshields. A far cry from coinflip odds.
[X] Speak to Letrizia
Blood is probably better, but I'm curious about getting some more concrete info to better plan our conquest.
[X] Balance
Balance never dies, deviations merely foretell a future regression to the mean. I like this because it does enough immediately without totally shutting the door on ruling ring.
Blood is probably better, but I'm curious about getting some more concrete info to better plan our conquest.
[X] Balance
Balance never dies, deviations merely foretell a future regression to the mean. I like this because it does enough immediately without totally shutting the door on ruling ring.
- Location
- Pindorama
You put 6k words to Form of Rage, at least vote for Saint or Balance or something. Don't give up hope.
(as your nemesis, it follows that bloodslayer is my least favored option)
Stop pulling numbers out of nowhere. Tactics and effort have always helped with our odd, why would that stop now? We just need to play well and use the insurance we actually bought.
I don't think may people are convinced by doom and gloom, that just causes them to double down. Talk about how your option is better if you want to convince people.
We haven't used it once; how are we relying on it? Stop salting about Form of Rage.
Skyrocketing? When this is literally the first complication we had. Don't be hyperbolic.
So you're just making stuff up then? "Deleting the Rank increases" when we know the Ring will get an immediate massive power boost is a good one though. We'd have a 10x exp boost; we can fight someone 10 times weakeer and still Progress as we are. As long as we get Ruling Ring; we are set.
You changed for Heedless War while I was typing this, huh. You probably need a break; and you should also vote for the option you actually want to see. Remember that this is a forum game at the end of the day; no need to be overly invested.
- Location
- Brazil
I'm in the same boat! Now i really hope that we can give blood to our form of rage, which would personally make the aesthetic even better. I would argue that an form of pure rage that spills constant blood makes thematic sense! Perhaps transform his own rage into blood to fuel his fury?
Rihaku
The Internet
Current vote count?
Note that a 90% chance of victory, given equal stats and a 1 stage difference, is overwhelming, not unwinnable. For example, what would you say the odds are of victory for:
A) A pure stats build with Thousand Cuts
B) The exact same build without Thousand Cuts
We would expect build A) to win via either alpha striking or being able to play a defensive attrition strategy over 90% of the time, so a 1 rank disparity would not, at this stage, be sufficient for B to defeat A. Now, if we were at high Ranks rather than Mid...
I'm surprised you guys didn't see this coming when Bloodmight experienced its last-minute resurgence! The thread has been better than average at Predictionism of late.
Don't thank me, thank Letrizia! And buy her EFB!
Note that a 90% chance of victory, given equal stats and a 1 stage difference, is overwhelming, not unwinnable. For example, what would you say the odds are of victory for:
A) A pure stats build with Thousand Cuts
B) The exact same build without Thousand Cuts
We would expect build A) to win via either alpha striking or being able to play a defensive attrition strategy over 90% of the time, so a 1 rank disparity would not, at this stage, be sufficient for B to defeat A. Now, if we were at high Ranks rather than Mid...
I'm surprised you guys didn't see this coming when Bloodmight experienced its last-minute resurgence! The thread has been better than average at Predictionism of late.
Don't thank me, thank Letrizia! And buy her EFB!
Zampano
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- Simping for DSB
So what you're saying is that if we the players achieve a great feat of diplomacy then our build will improve... sounds like the sort of achievement that would grant Hunger +Rank!
(seriously. plz gib rank 4 compromise.)
dont do it! if you need a breather, toss a vote to us SWORD BROS and then turn off notifications overnight so that you don't wake up to rage-inducing vote tallies.
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- Omniverse #1345
Except we didn't take the hunter trio, now did we? We nearly took one with 10%.
Probably. Doesn't matter.
I refuse to care any more. I'm going to attempt to get Hunger killed with every vote because it seems like it will be significantly more entertaining than trying to prevent people from being so greedy they walk into a dragon's open maw.
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
I'm not especially hopeful on that front, since they seem to make a point of not having blood. But... we saw in this update that our corpse did stick around.
We might could be a zombie and a ghost at the same time! Archer guy thinks he's so cool, he's not the only one who can be in more than one place at once.
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
- Location
- Hell
[X] Star-Blade Saint
[X] Speak to Gisena
[X] Speak to Gisena
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
This being the first time a roll has gone kinda bad against us is not the same as saying "the odds aren't getting worse."
It's legit for us to be trying to break out of the pattern of having to repeatedly take choices where all options have, say, a 5-10% chance of important character deaths. Because we can't live there forever.
...I was trusting your judgment on "not get us killed" issues, and find this rather frustrating. Not even asking you to campaign for it, just... you seem to have a better sense for how to craft not-get-killed votes than I do. I can't keep track of how the system works very well.