[X] Bloodslayer
[X] Speak to Letrizia
Sheer, raw, STATS. It shouldn't be underestimated, i think. Not only does it provide raw power, can be hepful to Hunger's mental state in the long-run.(due to being less likely to kill himself.) And can likely deal with lingering Paralyisis soon. And even in the worst case scenarion, we still have form of rage in the short-term, in case shit really hits the fan.

Honestly, the raw might of this build shouldn't even be underestimated, especialy so if we manage to clear all of our debuffs, which this build is the most likely to do.
 
All my life is unlimited voting for the sick blurbs.

[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War

I'd be pretty satisfied with this, Saint, or Bloodslayer. Companion options are all good, too.
 
Balance is... not actually very balanced. Gives stats and Cuts and not much else. Decent but... vulnerable.

Of course it's balanced, it gives ++++AGI and Might! The perfect balance of offense and defense.

I've said my piece here. Bloodslayer is useless in the extreme short term and too reliant on not ever using Wraith form.

Even in the extreme short term it offers Thousand Cuts, which is a massive boon. And the % of Wraith Form as EHP with Bloodslayer would be far lower, so that matters much less than it may appear at first glance. Conversely, you get the extreme power of Blood Advancements!

[X] Speak to Letrizia
[X] Star-Blade Saint


Come on Gown Gang lets get that Pseudo-Grace!

Don't forget about that sweet +CHA!

[X] Star-Blade Saint
[X] Study the Blood


Hunger x Not Dying OTP

Just to clarify, @Rihaku is the "Something Else" an invitation for a write-in, or is it a mystery box?

The former. You can try to do other stuff like go into the encampment, though I wouldn't risk it in your current state. You can also try talking to Letrizia / Gisena / Verschlengorge about something else!
 
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War

What did we purchase Form of Rage for, if not to take this sort of risk and triumph regardless? We still haven't even played our trump card, and I can think of no better use for it than to leverage it into an EFB option.

Studying the Blood, because we do have +Progression with blood, so I'm hoping a relatively powerful no-Arete Blood option shows up sometime, to help shore us up as we go for the final sprint.
 
Sheer, raw, STATS. It shouldn't be underestimated, i think. Not only does it provide raw power, can be hepful to Hunger's mental state in the long-run.(due to being less likely to kill himself.) And can likely deal with lingering Paralyisis soon. And even in the worst case scenarion, we still have form of rage in the short-term, in case shit really hits the fan.
My issue with this build is primarily that the stats are restricted to only Hunger's first form. Which means it does nothing for us in the current retreat and means that if we ever get forced in Wraith we are probably dead.
 
Well, I made a pact.

[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War

A quick question - if we heal Verschlengorge to Rank 5, would the Astral things attracted be strong enough to give us advancements? If so, farming Astrals might be safer then leveling in the Middle Temple, and for Heedless War could provide a way of getting more power that isn't the Middle Temple.

Anyway, Study the Blood says it may "modify existing Advancements with Blood-based insight" which sounds like it could get us an immediate power-up to me. If we can get encounters via mecha healing that would be better for Heedless War though.
 
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War

What did we purchase Form of Rage for, if not to take this sort of risk and triumph regardless? We still haven't even played our trump card, and I can think of no better use for it than to leverage it into an EFB option.

Studying the Blood, because we do have +Progression with blood, so I'm hoping a relatively powerful no-Arete Blood option shows up sometime, to help shore us up as we go for the final sprint.

You'd still have to kill something relevant to get it!

[X] Bloodslayer
[X] Speak to Letrizia

Sheer, raw, STATS. It shouldn't be underestimated, i think. Not only does it provide raw power, can be hepful to Hunger's mental state in the long-run.(due to being less likely to kill himself.) And can likely deal with lingering Paralyisis soon. And even in the worst case scenarion, we still have form of rage in the short-term, in case shit really hits the fan.

Honestly, the raw might of this build shouldn't even be underestimated, especialy so if we manage to clear all of our debuffs, which this build is the most likely to do.

You have both Form of Rage and Thousand Cuts, which is much better than either alone, for the extreme short term! After that, it's +Blood Progression city!
 
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War


Some ideas for Defining Advancements taken from the Knight Commander. I don't know if this counts as fanwork, but if it does, that's cool. 500 wordsish?


[ ] Evening Sky - Eventide Plate (4 picks) - Heavy may the horizon be, the evening stands unbowed.

The twilight tide, the subtle knife, the incursion against the noonday blue. Yet for all its trickery and subtlety, the evening too has its pride. Cast aside the cloth and arm yourself in the armor that holds back both the day and the night, that dares to see the world that is and find it wanting. Now is the time to dream of a cycle broken, a world where we paint the clouds in neither light nor dark-- but the colors of the liminal in between. Levy your blades; steady your nerves; ready your hearts-- for tomorrow we sally forth against the sky.

We stand unbowed.

Defining Advancement - You may currently have no more than three Defining Advancements.

Protection now scales with one's Strength and Wisdom.
Double the value of all Protection +s.
Gain the ability to Sally Forth, shrouding up to as many people with the same level of protection as currently afforded to you, dubbing them as Eventide Knights. This is mildly spiritually straining, and you can currently sustain four Eventide Knights at a time.
Gain the Trait: Unbowed, which weakens the conceptual strength of anything you do not recognize as holding authority over you. Weapons lose their sharpness, kings lose their mandate, magic disperses under the might of your Pride. This scales both with Rank and Protection.
Lose all bonuses previously gained from Evening Sky. The cloaks are for peace, the plate is for war.
Gain Heroic Passion: Pride.


[ ] Forebear's Blade - Sword of the Knight-Errant (4 picks) - Our code is all we are.

When you take away the sword, the plate, and the mount, what is left of a man? Nothing but their word. But what is one's word without the power to make it real? Nothing but a fairy tale. Marshal your honor and your blade, right your wrongs, and test yourself against the world. Make them remember you in songs and chants and let them never forget that you were more than a man, you were an ideal.


Defining Advancement - You may currently have no more than three Defining Advancements.

Construct a Code: Impose three rules on yourself in the pursuit of an ideal. Some examples would be (Never kill or maim an unarmed combatant, never tell a lie, never refuse an honest cry for help.) Gain tremendous benefits depending upon the rule imposed. An oath to never kill would make killing blows against your person merely glancing, and the resilience of one's body inviolable. An oath to never lie would ensure unfailing loyalty in one's subordinates, not out of supernatural compulsion, but out of the shining purity of ones ideal that makes them worthy of loyalty. The greater the restriction, the greater the boon. Once an oath is broken, lose all benefits derived from that oath. The lost slot can never be refilled.

Double all gains to Will+s.
Might now scales with one's Will.
Halve rank gains of an immoral or tyrannical nature, Triple rank gains from following your Code.
Worsen the Apocryphal Curse by 5%.
 
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At the end of the day, we're still stronger than we were at the start of the day with Ring Build. If it wasn't insane hubris to come to the Inner Temple this morning, it won't be insane hubris to come here again tomorrow
Remember how, when we first arrived in the Outer Temple, our first fight was against a single knight? The fight we just had was the equivalent for the Middle Temple. It's going to get a lot more dangerous from here on out.

As for the vote, obviously our action should be Study the Blood as it's the only action which improve our chance of survival. For our build, I'm going to go for Bloodslayer for the moment, but if it doesn't pick up momentum, I'll switch to Star-Blade Saint. The first step in "survive and grow strong" is surviving, let's do it Not Dying faction!

[X] Study the Blood
[X] Bloodslayer
 
Balance is really quite a good compromise build... a very strong Form of Rage means it's unlikely to die, and it has the Arete to pick up either a 7-Arete Blood Advancement or a Preeminence in reasonable time.
 
[X] Star-Blade Saint
[X] Speak to Gisena

Gown remains just as excellent as before consolidation especially with confirmation it's best suited to deal with exhaustion.

Speak to Gisena seems like it could be the Gisena Gang endgame so I'm compelled to vote for it.

Calling the ring vote heedless war and the following description couldn't be any more clear about how suicidal taking it is.

Quicksilver still good but the anti synergy burns quite badly.

Balance vote is doomed by virtue of being the balance vote.
 
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I don't think there will ever be a good time to go for an EFB, and it's something that only gets better with time. We have Form of Rage as a panic button; one that we haven't even used yet despite the extreme risk. Rage is to buttress situations like this; even if we die, it isn't the end. We can finally use the insurance we bought to get something good.
Balance is really quite a good compromise build... a very strong Form of Rage means it's unlikely to die, and it has the Arete to pick up either a 7-Arete Blood Advancement or a Preeminence in reasonable time.
Enable Approval Voting and then we'll talk. That's how compromise options win.
 
Balance is really quite a good compromise build... a very strong Form of Rage means it's unlikely to die, and it has the Arete to pick up either a 7-Arete Blood Advancement or a Preeminence in reasonable time.
This is a similar argument to what led to picking up Apex. I don't think continuing to kick the can down the road is a viable option anymore. We're clearly falling behind the level curve, based on the escalating risks.
 
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Bloodslayer


The fact is that this provides a hell of a lot of immediate power and quite a few low hanging fruit to grasp with the "extreme power" of Blood Advancements. That this still focuses on the Ring and doesn't introduce some other extraneous dongles to our build like pseudo-Graces tips it over the edge for me.

I'm going to just mentally repress the memory of our other Forms so the aesthetic contradiction doesn't break my brain. Our flesh body is our only body. Any update that might indicate otherwise is non-cannon.
 
Balance is really quite a good compromise build... a very strong Form of Rage means it's unlikely to die, and it has the Arete to pick up either a 7-Arete Blood Advancement or a Preeminence in reasonable time.
In the grim darkness of the far future of a few days from now, there is only war. Or blood. Depends on who wins the vote.

The option for people who want this argument to continue on forever.
 
This is a similar argument to what led to picking up Apex. I don't think continuing to kick the can down the road is a viable option anymore. We're clearly falling behind the level curve, based on the escalating risks.

You know how we could both catch up with, and surpass, the level curve? With Ruling Ring!
 
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