We can only summon people even weaker than ourselves. Assuming Tyrant doesn't proc, they'll be just cannon fodder against the knights and should some of them survive in the aftermath, we'll have to decide whether we abandon them or cart them around - or worse, leave them with our companions.
If we get Brute Force + pay for Undying Vanguard and then summon strangers, we could conscript them to be meatshields. They'd be weaker than us so we could boss them around, and they'd grow in loyalty as we demonstrate the ability to protect them (if we have such an ability).

If we get Peerless Shroud & summon strangers then we can use the added defense to simply steamroll over any objections they have to being conscripted as bait.

Peerless Shroud might be a decent way to go about Vanquishing the Pursuers without triggering Form of Rage.
 
Reaction, word count once I libreoffice(Edit: 412 Words).

War and Wind


The moment he stepped across the threshold, the doors boomed shut behind him. Uncanny speed, given how reluctantly they'd opened. He examined the gates for any latch or release mechanism, but there were none. Instead there was a sigil of a moon unfilled which hung over where the handles would be. Perhaps the gates could only open once a night, or worse, once per lunar month. He hoped it was not the latter. The gates were magnificent pieces of art and it would be a shame to destroy them.

Frak. Do you feel like a hero yet, Lord Hunger?

Before him was a vast marble entrance hall, part forum and part antechamber, flanked by carven pillars that rose skyward to the opalescent ceiling some ten stories above. The chamber was well-lit by enormous braziers of dark gray, each the width of three men around. The braziers housed crackling bonfire-flames that exuded the warm merriment of a cherished hearth, upright and proud as if boasting to the visitor of their migthy hospitality. There was no one else, no signs of life, not even stray vermin.
Looks like I got the marble part of my omake right, but that's a fairly easy prediction. Marble and temples is almost cliche at this point I'd imagine.

He began to walk. Onwards and forwards the entrance hall crept, half a mile or more in length, until slowly the marble bricks of the wall and ceiling began to fade before him. Bricks increasingly hung unsupported in the open air, a patchwork caricature of wall through which the blue of an unfamiliar sky shined through. As he walked further the entire hall bowed open, thinly populated "walls" and "ceiling" curving up and away, yielding to grass and sky.
I'm getting half shades of Harry Potter, the other half being some dreamscape with a Yuki Kaijura soundtrack. Let's enjoy the beauty while it lasts, we're probably going to have to sully it with blood soon enough.

This was a wholly different landscape from that outside the Temple, a vast grassy plain whose sun was gentle and bright, a paradisiacal sweetness in the taste of the breeze. His ring hummed and he dropped into a crouch, sword held before him, but no enemies emerged. Instead the hum only intensified, a low mournful keening that steadily worsened over time.
Yeah sudden sunny plains like that in the middle of a dungeon trigger all the sinister alarm bells. Whatever you do, be very, very careful if you talk to any masked children beneath trees.

Something was calling to him, a will that was not quite an entity in its own right, but which nonetheless was suffering greatly. It begged for an end to its torment, to the great depth of exhaustion to which it was interminably forced, each scraping-away of essence like a screw driven endlessly deeper. It promised vast and bounteous power to whosoever tore it free, or merely put an end to its wretched existence.
The Dungeon Boss? The False Moon? Hopefully my prediction of it being analogus to Atropus the Elder Evil was wrong.

He stepped forwards, in the direction of the call, and the hum lessened. He stepped backwards into the antechamber and it worsened. Suspicious.
I guess there's a secret path in the Antechamber somewhere then. The question is how to unlock it because I don't think we're powerful enough for a dungeon bypass yet.

Now that he was aware of it, he doubted the not-quite-scream of the Calling would desist even if he left the Temple. Perhaps Gisena would be able to dispel it, though his instincts told him that the Call itself could not be faked, could in fact be nothing less than the truth. There really was something deep in this Temple whose essence was being drawn upon endlessly, and which suffered terribly for it.
Hopefully we don't have to worry about some kind of morally ambiguous vote when we find out just what is suffering down there.

The power of his ring was modulating the Call, clarifying its message while reducing its intensity, rendering it more comprehensible and bearable as well. Strange. The ring had never exhibited such powers.
Looks Like Ring Affinity won. Looking forward to finding out what was in the mystery box.

But the Call was a distraction nonetheless. Best to resolve this matter before he faced the blue swordsman again. With the gate closed behind him, he would proceed forward. He'd return after nightfall to see if the doors would open, and cut them down only if they remained closed.
Let us hope you can actually do that.

Having slain thousands of monsters on their path to the Temple, he was stronger and faster than he'd even been in this world, and many times tougher as well. And if forced to the absolute brink, there was one final card he could now play, power that transcended flesh and spirit alike.


He grimaced. The thought of it reminded him too much of his final blow against the Tyrant, an uttermost exertion of the self. The consequences of its use should not be quite as severe, but... he would use it only as a last resort. Only if all else failed.

Smart. No Going "Grant Me Power" or "Behold my True Form and Despair" like Dracula in Castlevania.

He'd walked only a few minutes before coming upon a creature, a shadowy giant in gothic armor with an enormous blade sheathed against its back. As it sighted him it rose from the hill on which it was situated. It moved with a ragged exhalation, creaking of disused metal and the slithering of chainmail against plate. Without warning or preamble it attacked.
Why am I getting Dark Souls Flashbacks?

Despite its towering bulk it was fast, gray thunderbolt of smoke and force whose opening blow split the air as he ducked. Plunging his own blade into the monster's chest, he sprinted around the side to avoid the follow-through of its tremendous strike. Then calling his blade to him he stabbed its leg, where in a normal man its hamstring would be. The shadow-knight was unimpeded, nimbly leaping away, preventing him from hugging the inside of its reach.
Holy shit!

He pressed the attack, an onslaught without hesitation or mercy, blade winds in a ghastly flurry tearing into its armor and through whatever passed for flesh beneath. Still it showed no signs of concern, barreling forward with terrible, redoubtable speed, its arm lashing out to grab him as he dodged. Caught in its armored claw he struck out wildly, seeking to sever the limb, focusing his energies to perform a spirit-rending stroke, but before he could finish he was dashed against the ground, pulverizing strength that tore muscle and cracked bone. Power enough to reduce an ordinary man to a blood-handed smear upon the grass. The protection afforded by his cloak had kept him alive, but only just. Every inch of his opponent's armor was imbued with ferocious might, magic that tore at the star-stuff of his shroud and thinned its impervious weave.
At least we're still alive. My brain seriously played the "You Died" sound effect from Dark Souls reading that.


Unrelenting, it whipped him around to smash him into the earth again, but he ignored the damage, single-mindedly focusing on its arm even as its crushing grip splintered his ribs and broken open his torso. At last he carved through that Herculean wrist, extricating himself from its hand as it fell free. The knight withdrew, its enormous sword held in a warding position, slowly backing off as he charged forward, broken body shrieking at the imposition when they clashed. Diverting the force of the blow, he whirled and sprang up the monster's arm, sprinting across its armor as his blade lashed to and fro, launching blade-winds that spun and buzzed in circles around them, searching for any point of weakness.
Please don't let us need Form of Rage already...

The knight struck him with the tree-trunk stump of its wounded arm, hurling him from its shoulders and into the hard-packed earth of the hill, even as his blade-winds descended, striking joints and gaps in the armor, preventing it from finishing the job. His body now ruined beyond repair, he quickly slew himself with a blade-projection and emerged as a being of spirit, dashing around to flank the knight with renewed vigor. A series of blade winds struck it in quick succession, each widening the wound that the previous opened, until one at last struck true and erupted out its other side, dark grey blood in an arterial spray as it found the creature's heart.
Oof. Second Stage. We died once in the first fight. We don't have anybody but us to spot for traps either. One Crushing Ceiling and we're done for.

At last the monster seemed to quail, falling to one knee, palm upraised as if to plead for mercy. He approached it warily, but as he neared its stance tightened, lunging forward to crush him within its embrace. But his body of spirit was a lighter thing than flesh, and he darted lightly out of the way, twin projected thrusts striking its heart as it passed.

Worse than Dark Souls level difficult. Seriously. We should have been a lot more Swole, Murderer's Panopoly or the Forbidden or some Philosopher's Wreath Build. *Salty ranting*

Rather craven for a creature with the appearance of a knight. He leapt away, unleashing several further blade-winds to cover his retreat. Bleeding out, its tremendous vigor at last exhausted, it was unable to close the distance again, and slowly he whittled it down until at last it fell defeated to its knees. Taking no chances, he carved away with projected strikes at its chest until he could see its exposed heart, and finished it. Its essence destroyed, the armor fell inert, toppling slowly to pieces as the smoke within dissipated. There was a low, sepulchral boom as it perished, shock of force and sound like a tower-bell's final knelling.


Discontentedly he surveyed its remains. Fresh power surged within him from the ring, but he could not bring himself to be pleased with what had just occurred. The monster-knight had been his superior in strength and speed, though only by a modest margin. What rankled was that it had forced him into his wraith form so easily, and its was only that form's superior agility that had carried the day. Had he been a being of flesh alone, this would likely have been the end.
This is seriously giving me massive Dark Souls flashbacks, I can almost see Lord Hunger's health bars.

Movement on the horizon. Perhaps called by the death of their comrade, more ghostly knights had appeared, a dozen or more bristling with weaponry: curved blades and heavy pavises, pick-axes and enormous hammers, ballistas wielded as siege-crossbows, their cruelly barbed bolts glinting in the noonday sun.


One angled its crossbow upwards and fired, the bolt landing soft inches from his foot. He withdrew.

*Anor Londo flashbacks and salty ranting intensify*

Fleet of foot and light of body, his ghost-form easily outpaced the clanking mass of his pursuers. Soon they disappeared over the far horizon as he returned to the antechamber-hall. He set himself down on the marble tile and looked out upon the idyllic fields. Hours more before nightfall, when he would test the gates once more. What now to do?
Frak

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[X] Bright Vanquisher with [X] Conservative and [X] +.1 Rank was the winner. What is your next course of action?

The Call of the False Moon imposes a -.25 Rank penalty on you when you travel outside the Temple, and a -.1 Rank penalty inside the Temple when you do not intend to rescue the False Moon. The power of your ring has attenuated it significantly; you can scarcely imagine how aggravating it would be to defy the Call without its unnatural aid.

Aww... I wanted to know what the fark the ring affinity did. Reduce the penalty from call of the false moon even further?

[ ] Pick Off Stragglers - If successful, will add +1 pick to your next Experience spend. Now that you're aware of their fighting style, further engagements should proceed more smoothly, especially as you've grown in power after slaying the first. Locate and destroy other isolated knights. Do not engage monsters of other kinds, if found. Much time will be consumed in travel to find knights and evade their reinforcements, but this task should not be overly risky.


[ ] Vanquish The Pursuers - Momentum is key and you cannot afford to waste time. Though the first knight's reinforcements have lost your ghostly trail, you're fairly certain you could find them if you so desired. Engage and attempt to destroy them with the power you've gained from the first. Even should you fall, you would arise as a being of thunder and light, power enough to scour these giants from the earth and erase the fell shadow of their passage. If successful, will re-establish [I Am the Danger] and add +2 (!) picks to your next Experience spend.


[ ] Wait and Hope - Meditate in the antechamber and hope the doors open tonight. Maybe Gisena can dispel the Calling, which would prevent you from being bound to this Temple. [+1 Arete as you review past battles and tactics[


[ ] Look for Others - Perhaps some sort of... adventuring party with specialists covering separate relevant areas of expertise would be helpful in venturing further. Wield your Pressure to call such a group to you. Anyone so affected would likely be substantially weaker than you, but there's no helping that. Any form of aid or support would be helpful in these circumstances, though the Doom of the Tyrant looms large.

Note the "If successful" part on Vanquish the Pursuers. Even Form of Rage apparently can fail here.

Slaying the craven giant has yielded 2 picks. Rather than selecting picks individually, choose one of the following. You currently have 4.25 Arete.


[ ] Brute Force - Fuck yeah. Double Echo of the Forebear. There's simply no substitute for the power of muscles, be they physical or spiritual in nature. Raw speed was the answer to these things, speed and the striking power to reach their armored hearts.


[ ] Peerless Shroud [2 Arete] - Opalescence + Iridescence. With every plate and greave of their armor infused with destructive runes, greater coverage against magical attacks is a priority. With the power of the Evening Sky heavily augmented and attuned to the tenor of their magic, you should be able to weather the majority of their attacks with impunity. It'll also make you more terrifying to oppose, should you run into any other adventurers here.


[ ] Slayer Knell - Conjunctional [Evening Sky + Forebear's Blade]. Upon slaying an enemy of a particular type, gain increased damage and overall effectiveness against other enemies of that type. A substantial immediate boost, plus a small permanent boost that stacks indefinitely. After slaying roughly one hundred peer-level opponents of a type, you would murder them in a single blow and dance untouched around their attacks. More powerful enemies yield more effectiveness per kill.


[ ] Swift as Death [2 Arete] - Gain +++++Agility, +Willpower in Second Stage only. Substantially improves your powers of phasing in Second Stage, allowing you to evade most corporeal attacks. Second Stage now restores its own health completely within one hour, though returning to corporeal form still takes a day and night.


[ ] Buy Undying Vanguard [5 Arete] - You may purchase Undying Vanguard for 5 Arete, as you have already bought its pre-requisite for 2 Arete. This does not take a pick and can be included with other options. However, you're not even sure if you can open the gates at this point. You're pretty sure you can cut through them, though who knows what the consequences of that would be...

I'm leaning towards Peerless Shroud or Slayer Knell. Now we have a much better idea of why Rihaku put that Forbidden build in and called it one of the more viable ones.
 
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Current vote?

>Thousand Cuts option had fewer ranged attack options

Yup, Fell-Handed Stroke has a windup and it was pressuring you pretty hard. You weren't able to get it off with your current massive CON, so a build without Undying Echo would have greater trouble. Maybe if you'd attacked with a full power Fell-Handed Stroke as soon as you saw it, but Hunger doesn't automatically attack potentially-neutral beings, especially not with a move that commits so much energy.

We can only summon people even weaker than ourselves. Assuming Tyrant doesn't proc, they'll be just cannon fodder against the knights and should some of them survive in the aftermath, we'll have to decide whether we abandon them or cart them around - or worse, leave them with our companions.

How is that worse? I'm sure Gisena and Letrizia would have them wound around their little fingers in time!

Or, perhaps we can look for other people so that we actually have an chance against stronger opponents and some information about the denizens of this place so that we can prepare appropriately? In a place like this, they should be very willing to work with us.

The main issue is whether you are willing to work with them!
 
If we get Brute Force + pay for Undying Vanguard and then summon strangers, we could conscript them to be meatshields. They'd be weaker than us so we could boss them around, and they'd grow in loyalty as we demonstrate the ability to protect them (if we have such an ability).

If we get Peerless Shroud & summon strangers then we can use the added defense to simply steamroll over any objections they have to being conscripted as bait.

Peerless Shroud might be a decent way to go about Vanquishing the Pursuers without triggering Form of Rage.
I'd prefer to save up for a 7-Arete option.

How is that worse? I'm sure Gisena and Letrizia would have them wound around their little fingers in time!
Mostly thought they might notify people outside. We're still hiding from other adventurers, after all.
 
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[X] Vanquish The Pursuers
[X] Swift as Death [2 Arete]


I think this is the build. We got decently lucky rolling the Gacha to draw up these enemies and should capitalize on it. It does put us off a seven pick, but enough experience offsets that. Plus we have to actually fight something worth it to get such a pick. I also don't think we're going to be fortunate enough to be spending huge amounts of time in first form, so the restriction isn't too bad for the length of the temple.

The other option I think is okay is wait and Hope + Brute, but that relies on chance much more. As we'd be reliant on the dice to come up with a suitable enemy to capitalize on the Arete stockpile. We do have our instincts telling us we've got some time though so it's decent.
 
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I'd prefer to save up for a 7-Arete option.
Counterpoint: A build that has Opalescence + Iridescence + Form of Rage is almost completely unconstrained by fears about imminent mortality when using those two (2!) extra picks unlocked by Vanquishing. Like, whatever 7-Arete purchase we end up grabbing at the end of the temple can only be improved by not being chosen under Duress because we are panic-buying techniques to deal with constant harassment.
 
[ ] Pick Off Stragglers - If successful, will add +1 pick to your next Experience spend. Now that you're aware of their fighting style, further engagements should proceed more smoothly, especially as you've grown in power after slaying the first. Locate and destroy other isolated knights. Do not engage monsters of other kinds, if found. Much time will be consumed in travel to find knights and evade their reinforcements, but this task should not be overly risky.

Reasonable risk, gives +1 pick, and lets us explore the temple and maybe find some treasure or other interesting things.

[ ] Vanquish The Pursuers - Momentum is key and you cannot afford to waste time. Though the first knight's reinforcements have lost your ghostly trail, you're fairly certain you could find them if you so desired. Engage and attempt to destroy them with the power you've gained from the first. Even should you fall, you would arise as a being of thunder and light, power enough to scour these giants from the earth and erase the fell shadow of their passage. If successful, will re-establish [I Am the Danger] and add +2 (!) picks to your next Experience spend.

Decent if we take Slayer Knell, but Slayer Knell is bad for reasons I already stated. We don't want powers that let us kill weaker threats. There are countless enemies here and we got lucky the first time. It's critical we take powers that make us more powerful at every stage.

[ ] Wait and Hope - Meditate in the antechamber and hope the doors open tonight. Maybe Gisena can dispel the Calling, which would prevent you from being bound to this Temple. [+1 Arete as you review past battles and tactics[

I'm not ready to retreat yet.

[ ] Look for Others - Perhaps some sort of... adventuring party, with specialists covering separate relevant areas of expertise, would be helpful in venturing further. Wield your Pressure to call such a group to you. Anyone so affected would likely be substantially weaker than you, but there's no helping that. Any form of aid or support would be helpful in these circumstances, though the Doom of the Tyrant looms large.

Given our curse, and the fact that we can only call those substantially weaker, this is of limited use. Main advantage would be the opportunity to learn what we missed by skipping the outpost. Small chance we'd have to kill them to keep the knowledge of our existence secret.

If we run into someone by chance I'm all for chatting, but I'm not wasting time seeking people out.

[ ] Brute Force - Fuck yeah. Double Echo of the Forebear. There's simply no substitute for the power of muscles, be they physical or spiritual in nature. Raw speed was the answer to these things, speed and the striking power to reach their armored hearts.

Fuck yeah.

[ ] Peerless Shroud [2 Arete] - Opalescence + Iridescence. With every plate and greave of their armor infused with destructive runes, greater coverage against magical attacks is a priority. With the power of the Evening Sky heavily augmented and attuned to the tenor of their magic, you should be able to weather the majority of their attacks with impunity. It'll also make you more terrifying to oppose, should you run into any other adventurers here.

We've already run into issues with being too weak to harm a foe, so piling on more defense to our already decent defenses is less than ideal. That, combined with the 2 arete cost, really turns me off.

[ ] Slayer Knell - Conjunctional [Evening Sky + Forebear's Blade]. Upon slaying an enemy of a particular type, gain increased damage and overall effectiveness against other enemies of that type. A substantial immediate boost, plus a small permanent boost that stacks indefinitely. After slaying roughly one hundred peer-level opponents of a type, you would murder them in a single blow and dance untouched around their attacks. More powerful enemies yield more effectiveness per kill.

Given the danger, our focus must be on powers that enable us to defeat enemies more powerful than us, not those weaker than us.

[ ] Swift as Death [2 Arete] - Gain +++++Agility, +Willpower in Second Stage only. Substantially improves your powers of phasing in Second Stage, allowing you to evade most corporeal attacks. Second Stage now restores its own health completely within one hour, though returning to corporeal form still takes a day and night.

The huge agility boost and healing both make this very attractive, with speed allowing us to pick and choose our battles and healing allowing us to get back into the fray quickly. The problem is if we run into enemies that are so strong we can't hurt them no matter what we do. The knights were pretty weak all things considered, so I think some offensive power is required. There's also the arete cost.

[ ] Buy Undying Vanguard [5 Arete] - You may purchase Undying Vanguard for 5 Arete, as you have already bought its pre-requisite for 2 Arete. This does not take a pick and can be included with other options. However, you're not even sure if you can open the gates at this point. You're pretty sure you can cut through them, though who knows what the consequences of that would be...

Bad pick. Even with Undying Vanguard the monster would have killed Gisena, since we only susceeded by going to second form. That plus the 5 arete cost makes this a non-starter.

[X] Pick Off Stragglers
[X] Brute Force


Power that works against any enemy, an extra pick, and more time spent exploring the temple.
 
Yup, Fell-Handed Stroke has a windup and it was pressuring you pretty hard. You weren't able to get it off with your current massive CON, so a build without Undying Echo would have greater trouble. Maybe if you'd attacked with a full power Fell-Handed Stroke as soon as you saw it, but Hunger doesn't automatically attack potentially-neutral beings, especially not with a move that commits so much energy.
Ignoring part where we'd have more Str and Agi to compensate for Con, what I get from this is that Thousand Cuts is absolutely useless unless our foes decide to stand back and let us charge our attack - because build that didn't had it apparently was better at killing things despite not using it's own 7AP power.

Well, I guess that at least we now know that we shouldn't pick Thousand Cuts because it's a trap option. That's a valuable information, at least.
 
I'd prefer to save up for a 7-Arete option.

I suppose you do have the "safety" cushion of the Form of Rage, but both Peerless Shroud (by granting superior survivability) and Swift as Death (via evasiveness and healing speed) do offer improved farming possibilities here... Shroud should allow you to disengage from all but the mightiest foes in some semblance of good order, whereas Swift lets you cover much more ground and spend HP far more profligately in your farming.

I think this is the build. We got decently lucky rolling the Gacha to draw up these enemies and should capitalize on it. It does put us off a seven pick, but enough experience offsets that. Plus we have to actually fight something worth it to get such a pick.

Yup, you either have to fight one enemy of substantial strength with relevant abilities or many, many lesser foes. That said, there are other conflicts that can make such Advancements possible...
 
It seems possible too that our Final Form could have all the the strengths of our other forms, making any buffs on them really good long term.
 
[X] Peerless Shroud [2 Arete]
[X] Vanquish The Pursuers


I actually think that this is a good way to go. Peerless lets us tank hits long enough to use our more powerful windup attack. Iridescence diminishes unusual magic effects, which seems like a valuable power in a temple that has already imposed a Rank-affecting status condition.

We use this newfound resilience to harvest the group of "near peer" enemies and put ourselves in a better position to dominate any social encounters (which will be our first exposure to the Tyrant's Curse without an intercessor NPC)
 
Undying Vanguard + Look for Others could be a decent build, with us finding mooks allies we then empower, but I'd need to know more about how hard/easy it is to add or remove companions, and how effective it is on distrusting strangers.
 
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War and Wind

The moment he stepped across the threshold, the doors boomed shut behind him. Uncanny speed, given how reluctantly they'd opened. He examined the gates for any latch or release mechanism, but there were none. Instead there was a sigil of a moon unfilled which hung over where the handles would be. Perhaps the gates could only open once a night, or worse, once per lunar month. He hoped it was not the latter. The gates were magnificent pieces of art and it would be a shame to destroy them.
In hindsight, I suppose there was a reason why no one else was going in the main entrance, huh. Being trapped inside is never good; it might have mattered less with Aggressive, but would still be a problem if biting off more than we can chew, inevitable with that strategy. With Conservative, it's mostly just a waste of time; not directly deadly, but our precious Apocryphal mitigation and the timer until Ber's back are being eaten. Also Decimator mitigation, but I'm less worried about that.
Before him was a vast marble entrance hall, part forum and part antechamber, flanked by carven pillars that rose skyward to the opalescent ceiling some ten stories above. The chamber was well-lit by enormous braziers of dark gray, each the width of three men around. The braziers housed crackling bonfire-flames that exuded the warm merriment of a cherished hearth, upright and proud as if boasting to the visitor of their migthy hospitality. There was no one else, no signs of life, not even stray vermin.
Typo: "boasting to the visitor of their mighty hospitality"
Anyway, this place is big. I have a sinking feeling that we might not be able to clear out the relevant plot threads it holds within what, twelve days of Apocryphal mitigation remaining?
He began to walk. Onwards and forwards the entrance hall crept, half a mile or more in length, until slowly the marble bricks of the wall and ceiling began to fade before him. Bricks increasingly hung unsupported in the open air, a patchwork caricature of wall through which the blue of an unfamiliar sky shined through. As he walked further the entire hall bowed open, thinly populated "walls" and "ceiling" curving up and away, yielding to grass and sky.

This was a wholly different landscape from that outside the Temple, a vast grassy plain whose sun was gentle and bright, a paradisiacal sweetness in the taste of the breeze. His ring hummed and he dropped into a crouch, sword held before him, but no enemies emerged. Instead the hum only intensified, a low mournful keening that steadily worsened over time.

Something was calling to him, a will that was not quite an entity in its own right, but which nonetheless was suffering greatly. It begged for an end to its torment, to the great depth of exhaustion to which it was interminably forced, each scraping-away of essence like a screw driven endlessly deeper. It promised vast and bounteous power to whosoever tore it free, or merely put an end to its wretched existence.

He stepped forwards, in the direction of the call, and the hum lessened. He stepped backwards into the antechamber and it worsened. Suspicious.
Yes, suspicious indeed; so the Temple is some sort of prison for the False Moon? I wonder what it is. Also, what the heck is going on here, is there a False Sun too? Is that why the False Moon is imprisoned?
Now that he was aware of it, he doubted the not-quite-scream of the Calling would desist even if he left the Temple. Perhaps Gisena would be able to dispel it, though his instincts told him that the Call itself could not be faked, could in fact be nothing less than the truth. There really was something deep in this Temple whose essence was being drawn upon endlessly, and which suffered terribly for it.

The power of his ring was modulating the Call, clarifying its message while reducing its intensity, rendering it more comprehensible and bearable as well. Strange. The ring had never exhibited such powers.
So that was what the mystery box was.
But the Call was a distraction nonetheless. Best to resolve this matter before he faced the blue swordsman again. With the gate closed behind him, he would proceed forward. He'd return after nightfall to see if the doors would open, and cut them down only if they remained closed.

Having slain thousands of monsters on their path to the Temple, he was stronger and faster than he'd even been in this world, and many times tougher as well. And if forced to the absolute brink, there was one final card he could now play, power that transcended flesh and spirit alike.

He grimaced. The thought of it reminded him too much of his final blow against the Tyrant, an uttermost exertion of the self. The consequences of its use should not be quite as severe, but... he would use it only as a last resort. Only if all else failed.
Ah, Form of Rage. I'm glad that the characterization implications of the Rage-spam don't automatically apply, though it will be a tough choice between mechanics and character when we're actually able to farm with it.
He'd walked only a few minutes before coming upon a creature, a shadowy giant in gothic armor with an enormous blade sheathed against its back. As it sighted him it rose from the hill on which it was situated. It moved with a ragged exhalation, creaking of disused metal and the slithering of chainmail against plate. Without warning or preamble it attacked.

Despite its towering bulk it was fast, gray thunderbolt of smoke and force whose opening blow split the air as he ducked. Plunging his own blade into the monster's chest, he sprinted around the side to avoid the follow-through of its tremendous strike. Then calling his blade to him he stabbed its leg, where in a normal man its hamstring would be. The shadow-knight was unimpeded, nimbly leaping away, preventing him from hugging the inside of its reach.

He pressed the attack, an onslaught without hesitation or mercy, blade winds in a ghastly flurry tearing into its armor and through whatever passed for flesh beneath. Still it showed no signs of concern, barreling forward with terrible, redoubtable speed, its arm lashing out to grab him as he dodged. Caught in its armored claw he struck out wildly, seeking to sever the limb, focusing his energies to perform a spirit-rending stroke, but before he could finish he was dashed against the ground, pulverizing strength that tore muscle and cracked bone. Power enough to reduce an ordinary man to a blood-handed smear upon the grass. The protection afforded by his cloak had kept him alive, but only just. Every inch of his opponent's armor was imbued with ferocious might, magic that tore at the star-stuff of his shroud and thinned its impervious weave.

Unrelenting, it whipped him around to smash him into the earth again, but he ignored the damage, single-mindedly focusing on its arm even as its crushing grip splintered his ribs and broken open his torso. At last he carved through that Herculean wrist, extricating himself from its hand as it fell free. The knight withdrew, its enormous sword held in a warding position, slowly backing off as he charged forward, broken body shrieking at the imposition when they clashed. Diverting the force of the blow, he whirled and sprang up the monster's arm, sprinting across its armor as his blade lashed to and fro, launching blade-winds that spun and buzzed in circles around them, searching for any point of weakness.

The knight struck him with the tree-trunk stump of its wounded arm, hurling him from its shoulders and into the hard-packed earth of the hill, even as his blade-winds descended, striking joints and gaps in the armor, preventing it from finishing the job. His body now ruined beyond repair, he quickly slew himself with a blade-projection and emerged as a being of spirit, dashing around to flank the knight with renewed vigor. A series of blade winds struck it in quick succession, each widening the wound that the previous opened, until one at last struck true and erupted out its other side, dark grey blood in an arterial spray as it found the creature's heart.
oh god Hunger now tactically kills himself for power in the middle of fights
what have we done
At last the monster seemed to quail, falling to one knee, palm upraised as if to plead for mercy. He approached it warily, but as he neared its stance tightened, lunging forward to crush him within its embrace. But his body of spirit was a lighter thing than flesh, and he darted lightly out of the way, twin projected thrusts striking its heart as it passed.

Rather craven for a creature with the appearance of a knight. He leapt away, unleashing several further blade-winds to cover his retreat. Bleeding out, its tremendous vigor at last exhausted, it was unable to close the distance again, and slowly he whittled it down until at last it fell defeated to its knees. Taking no chances, he carved away with projected strikes at its chest until he could see its exposed heart, and finished it. Its essence destroyed, the armor fell inert, toppling slowly to pieces as the smoke within dissipated. There was a low, sepulchral boom as it perished, shock of force and sound like a tower-bell's final knelling.

Discontentedly he surveyed its remains. Fresh power surged within him from the ring, but he could not bring himself to be pleased with what had just occurred. The monster-knight had been his superior in strength and speed, though only by a modest margin. What rankled was that it had forced him into his wraith form so easily, and its was only that form's superior agility that had carried the day. Had he been a being of flesh alone, this would likely have been the end.
Yeah, this is a reminder that the Temple is not a level-appropriate dungeon for us. The mooks being stronger than our base form sucks, we should probably get something for that.
Movement on the horizon. Perhaps called by the death of their comrade, more ghostly knights had appeared, a dozen or more bristling with weaponry: curved blades and heavy pavises, pick-axes and enormous hammers, ballistas wielded as siege-crossbows, their cruelly barbed bolts glinting in the noonday sun.

One angled its crossbow upwards and fired, the bolt landing soft inches from his foot. He withdrew.

Fleet of foot and light of body, his ghost-form easily outpaced the clanking mass of his pursuers. Soon they disappeared over the far horizon as he returned to the antechamber-hall. He set himself down on the marble tile and looked out upon the idyllic fields. Hours more before nightfall, when he would test the gates once more. What now to do?
Ah, damn, they swarm. What are these ghost-knights, anyway? Wardens of the False Moon, servants of the maybe-existing False Sun?
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[X] Bright Vanquisher with [X] Conservative and [X] +.1 Rank was the winner. What is your next course of action?

The Call of the False Moon imposes a -.25 Rank penalty on you when you travel outside the Temple, and a -.1 Rank penalty inside the Temple when you do not intend to rescue the False Moon. The power of your ring has attenuated it significantly; you can scarcely imagine how aggravating it would be to defy the Call without its unnatural aid.
jfc that's terrible
the mystery box would actually have been short term better than the +Rank if it got rid of this
[ ] Pick Off Stragglers - If successful, will add +1 pick to your next Experience spend. Now that you're aware of their fighting style, further engagements should proceed more smoothly, especially as you've grown in power after slaying the first. Locate and destroy other isolated knights. Do not engage monsters of other kinds, if found. Much time will be consumed in travel to find knights and evade their reinforcements, but this task should not be overly risky.
+1 pick, low risk. A decent option, but we may need to go a little faster.
[ ] Vanquish The Pursuers - Momentum is key and you cannot afford to waste time. Though the first knight's reinforcements have lost your ghostly trail, you're fairly certain you could find them if you so desired. Engage and attempt to destroy them with the power you've gained from the first. Even should you fall, you would arise as a being of thunder and light, power enough to scour these giants from the earth and erase the fell shadow of their passage. If successful, will re-establish [I Am the Danger] and add +2 (!) picks to your next Experience spend.
+2 picks, and +5% bonus. However, this is risky enough that it has good odds of making us Rage. We'll need to consider whether the Arete loss and Tired are worth it over Stragglers.
[ ] Wait and Hope - Meditate in the antechamber and hope the doors open tonight. Maybe Gisena can dispel the Calling, which would prevent you from being bound to this Temple. [+1 Arete as you review past battles and tactics[
+1 Arete, which generally seems to be worth somewhat less than +1 pick, but very low risk. Probably not worth taking?
[ ] Look for Others - Perhaps some sort of... adventuring party with specialists covering separate relevant areas of expertise would be helpful in venturing further. Wield your Pressure to call such a group to you. Anyone so affected would likely be substantially weaker than you, but there's no helping that. Any form of aid or support would be helpful in these circumstances, though the Doom of the Tyrant looms large.
While my kneejerk reaction is no, this may merit consideration. Since they're weaker, we don't have to worry about them killing us. Unfortunately, Vanguard will likely do little for them as they won't be instantly loyal. Also, if they have more than 2-3 members, we might be picking who to die.
Slaying the craven giant has yielded 2 picks. Rather than selecting picks individually, choose one of the following. You currently have 4.25 Arete.

[ ] Brute Force - Fuck yeah. Double Echo of the Forebear. There's simply no substitute for the power of muscles, be they physical or spiritual in nature. Raw speed was the answer to these things, speed and the striking power to reach their armored hearts.
Base statline. It would indeed be nice to actually be better than the mooks physically. Always useful.
[ ] Peerless Shroud [2 Arete] - Opalescence + Iridescence. With every plate and greave of their armor infused with destructive runes, greater coverage against magical attacks is a priority. With the power of the Evening Sky heavily augmented and attuned to the tenor of their magic, you should be able to weather the majority of their attacks with impunity. It'll also make you more terrifying to oppose, should you run into any other adventurers here.
Minor bonus to Intimidate if we pick Look or roll such an encounter, less likely to be forced into Second Stage or Rage. Strongest synergy with Vanguard if we get to that much Arete.
[ ] Slayer Knell - Conjunctional [Evening Sky + Forebear's Blade]. Upon slaying an enemy of a particular type, gain increased damage and overall effectiveness against other enemies of that type. A substantial immediate boost, plus a small permanent boost that stacks indefinitely. After slaying roughly one hundred peer-level opponents of a type, you would murder them in a single blow and dance untouched around their attacks. More powerful enemies yield more effectiveness per kill.
Pretty good if we keep hunting knights. limited usefulness because it doesn't really work on bosses, though. Good for farming.
[ ] Swift as Death [2 Arete] - Gain +++++Agility, +Willpower in Second Stage only. Substantially improves your powers of phasing in Second Stage, allowing you to evade most corporeal attacks. Second Stage now restores its own health completely within one hour, though returning to corporeal form still takes a day and night.
Second Stage becomes more viable to spam in combat, and less likely to force us into Rage. Ability to flee instead of Rage increases. Solid, but I'd rather not be forced into Second Stage too quick.
[ ] Buy Undying Vanguard [5 Arete] - You may purchase Undying Vanguard for 5 Arete, as you have already bought its pre-requisite for 2 Arete. This does not take a pick and can be included with other options. However, you're not even sure if you can open the gates at this point. You're pretty sure you can cut through them, though who knows what the consequences of that would be...
I don't think this is worth it right now since as far as we know, we might be trapped. Though it might give us peace of mind if we're in here for long. Some synergy with Look, though again, no base loyalty.

Anyway, so we've got 32 combinations possible. Here's some of note:
[ ] Pick Off Stragglers
[ ] Slayer Knell

If the knights are the primary mooks here, this will grind our ability to kill them up. However, this doesn't boost our ability for the first fight again; while we now have knowledge of how to fight them, we're stuck in Second Stage for a day. So there's a minor risk of being forced into Rage without getting much for it.
[ ] Pick Off Stragglers
[ ] Everything else but Knell

Much safer, less bonus.

[ ] Vanquish The Pursuers
[ ] Slayer Knell

Very likely to Rage, but also more likely to be worth it. Same grinding of ability to kill the knights, and it will certainly establish momentum if we can kill them and get even better at killing them specifically.
[ ] Vanquish The Pursuers
[ ] Everything else but Knell

Safer and less likely to Rage, probably want to pick either Swift as Death to dodge or Shroud to tank hits rather than just Brute Force. Less rewards as well, though.

[ ] Wait and Hope
[ ] Brute Force

A greedy pick; it wishes to save Arete for Cuts, probably. Arete generation is such that we'd likely be able to take it.

[ ] Look for Others
[ ] Peerless Shroud [2 Arete]
Possibly with
[ ] Buy Undying Vanguard [5 Arete]
Attempting to acquire aid, and picking options that benefit that and amplify that aid. Also gives peace of mind if we're stuck in here too long, but our personal power is not significantly upped and we spend all our Arete, plus probably most of/all of what we earn before next update.

For now, I'm going with this, for no Arete spent, reasonably low risk, and increasing ability to farm the knights in the future, which would be very useful if they are the mainstay mooks of this place. Also scouts out a bit more.
[X] Pick Off Stragglers
[X] Slayer Knell
 
That said, there are other conflicts that can make such Advancements possible...

Huh. While we probably out gun them socially by a lot, convincing an established party to put their lives in the hands of a mysterious stranger would still be enormously difficult given the circumstances. Could we get Advancements by recruiting some loyal (but temporary) minions?

That would actually make it quite good when combined with the intel they could provide and whatever skills they might offer. Make what use we can of them and then leave them with Gisena and Letrizia through whatever exit exists for this place. Or just ditch them but I doubt the voters would actually make use of our Heartlessness like that.
 
Current vote count?

Decent if we take Slayer Knell, but Slayer Knell is bad for reasons I already stated. We don't want powers that let us kill weaker threats. There are countless enemies here and we got lucky the first time. It's critical we take powers that make us more powerful at every stage.

Slayer does open up some interesting possibilities whereby you can specialize in killing one type of powerful monster and thus get lots of 3- and 4-picks eventually. And it's unique to these knights, useful to get it now.

The huge agility boost and healing both make this very attractive, with speed allowing us to pick and choose our battles and healing allowing us to get back into the fray quickly. The problem is if we run into enemies that are so strong we can't hurt them no matter what we do. The knights were pretty weak all things considered, so I think some offensive power is required. There's also the arete cost.

You have Fell-Handed Stroke which can bleed an enemy over time, so your damage is kind of two phase. As long as you can live and hit them occasionally, you'll win against most foes.

Bad pick. Even with Undying Vanguard the monster would have killed Gisena, since we only susceeded by going to second form. That plus the 5 arete cost makes this a non-starter.

No, Undying Vanguard takes into account all your forms. And Gisena is hardly helpless, she could have tried killing it with Nullity! As to whether that'd actually work, you don't know...

Well, I guess that at least we now know that we shouldn't pick Thousand Cuts because it's a trap option. That's a valuable information, at least.
>Is surprised that a powerful attack requires commitment to use
>Ignores circumstances which make such attacks especially bad against this foe
yup i successfully tricked you into arguing for a non-viable build. u mad bro?

It seems possible too that our Final Form could have all the the strengths of our other forms, making any buffs on them really good long term.

Seems rather chancy to rely on, though. Plus Final Form is so far away...
 
I dont like Vanquish. It uses up Form of Rage very inefficiently, making us Tired and either down 1 Arete or 1 option. Of we are going to Rage Out, it should be something that is like, a 3 pick option. At least.
 
You guys are wrong in thinking that Slayer Knell is going to help us that much with Vanquish. It's charging into a group of Knights who are about our level. It's probably only possible with Swift or Peerless, or a lot of luck.
My understanding is that killing an enemy gives you both a small permanent buff and a big temporary buff towards that type of enemy. What this means is that at the moment we have (+small)(+big) against these things. So, we turn around and kill the next one we find, which we'll be able to do because we've gotten buffs since we killed the first one. After that we'll have (+small x2)(+big). And so on. As long as we maintain the killstreak we maintain that temporary substantial advantage, and accumulate further permanent advantage.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Thomasfoolery on Jun 6, 2020 at 4:12 AM, finished with 67 posts and 23 votes.
 
You are not yet at risk of being Tired (short of Rage) as your high CON and Rank allow for somewhat increased usage of blade winds. However, you probably shouldn't use quite this many on every foe if you are to continue.
 
My understanding is that killing an enemy gives you both a small permanent buff and a big temporary buff towards that type of enemy. What this means is that at the moment we have (+small)(+big) against these things.
It's a substantial buff, but it sounds like it's mostly damage besides the mention of dodging after killing 100. I just think if we're going to go Vanquish we need to go one of the Arete builds, or risk blowing Rage form early.
 
>Is surprised that a powerful attack requires commitment to use
>Ignores circumstances which make such attacks especially bad against this foe
yup i successfully tricked you into arguing for a non-viable build. u mad bro?
Nah, i'm just very amused that "u-uh this 7AP combat option is now actually worthless outside of specific situations so one of these two builds that have exact same amount of combat stats would preform drastically worse" is a hill you decided to die on.

You could just admit that Cut was objectively the best build, you know. :V
 
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