So I think Tyrion is going to struggle greatly if we make him LP for two reasons. one his stature and reputation is going to make it difficult for any of his lords to respect him. Two with Tywin gone the thing that kept the westerlands in line (fear of Tywin) is going to be gone. if Tyrion is going to survive he is going to have to craft an even more brutal rains of castermare. if he does not he is going to be facing full on revolt. While I love Tyrion's character (until they butchered him) he is not LP material. He is better suited as an adviser.
Exiled Dragons: A Viserys Targaryen Quest
- Thread starter Magoose
- Start date
- Fantasy
- Location
- England
No to reducing our power.
- Location
- California,USA
But the house of Lords started to loose power as they began to sqauabble over influence.
Edit:Because the House of Commons got involved.
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How about we do what the British did though minus the kings because they only had one Into a constitutional empire
- Location
- England
Not many would want to follow Tyrion, he would be laughing stock, his vassels would openly mock him. He is much safer as an advisor.
Corvus Black
The Inestimable
- Location
- England
[X] "He must be executed. His crimes are too many and too heinous. If I were to send him to the Wall, he'd no doubt go beyond it and unite the Free Folk. I am sorry, Stannis, but he must be stopped before his madness destroys the Seven Kingdoms."
I'm not voting for that essay. Robert cannot get a fair trial by virtue of being king, and I'm not going to try to appease Stannis.
The man likes the truth, without the fluff.
I'm not voting for that essay. Robert cannot get a fair trial by virtue of being king, and I'm not going to try to appease Stannis.
The man likes the truth, without the fluff.
- Location
- England
[X] "He must be executed. His crimes are too many and too heinous. If I were to send him to the Wall, he'd no doubt go beyond it and unite the Free Folk. I am sorry, Stannis, but he must be stopped before his madness destroys the Seven Kingdoms."
- Location
- Spain
Your option doesn´t address Stannis' first question: Why do you want the throne?
- Location
- England
It's leiterally ours by right, Stannis in canon always said this in canon.
[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
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[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
- Location
- California USA
- Pronouns
- He
SO I just played a ck2 game that was rather interesting.
You'll know the Crownlands in Canon?
Well, I made it a kingdom of Dragonstone, and made it a High Valyrian kingdom in the SEven kingdoms... without forming the Iron Throne (because why not, nothing good comes from that dammed throne.)
Well, I played for a few centuries and made a Valyrian kingdom (and high Valyrian cultured) on the continent.
Just telling you, so that when I write a small story about Viserys in that world, you'll understand where I am coming from.
You'll know the Crownlands in Canon?
Well, I made it a kingdom of Dragonstone, and made it a High Valyrian kingdom in the SEven kingdoms... without forming the Iron Throne (because why not, nothing good comes from that dammed throne.)
Well, I played for a few centuries and made a Valyrian kingdom (and high Valyrian cultured) on the continent.
Just telling you, so that when I write a small story about Viserys in that world, you'll understand where I am coming from.
[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
- Location
- Arcadia
About the longer option, it needs to be reformatted. The vote tally is only registering the first paragraph.
- Location
- Spain
Ok this is my vote, I am going for the rout that Robert has become as bad as Aerys and that Viserys wants the Iron throne because he is the less bad option if we want to prevent the destruction of the Seven Kingdoms
And the second part is blunt but true, we are willing to give him a fair trial, but it´s extremely unlikely that it will come to pass...
[X] "Lord Stannis, I was never meant to be king, and my father´s actions destroyed Targaryen´s legitimacy as rulers the Seven Kingdoms, so I cannot, in good conscience, tell that the Iron Throne is my birthright. But Take a look at what Robert is doing right now!!! He has become just as bad as the Tyrant that he fought against!!! If I want to sit in the Iron Throne, Lord Stannis is because the restoration of the Targaryen dynasty seem like the better option to prevent the total destruction of the Seven Kingdoms... And, let´s be honest, in the case that your brother surrenders, or that he is captured alive I am willing to give him a fair trial... But we both know that that scenario is extremely unlikely, if I win it´s almost assured that your brother will die"
And the second part is blunt but true, we are willing to give him a fair trial, but it´s extremely unlikely that it will come to pass...
[X] "Lord Stannis, I was never meant to be king, and my father´s actions destroyed Targaryen´s legitimacy as rulers the Seven Kingdoms, so I cannot, in good conscience, tell that the Iron Throne is my birthright. But Take a look at what Robert is doing right now!!! He has become just as bad as the Tyrant that he fought against!!! If I want to sit in the Iron Throne, Lord Stannis is because the restoration of the Targaryen dynasty seem like the better option to prevent the total destruction of the Seven Kingdoms... And, let´s be honest, in the case that your brother surrenders, or that he is captured alive I am willing to give him a fair trial... But we both know that that scenario is extremely unlikely, if I win it´s almost assured that your brother will die"
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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So... Yeah: AU incoming.
(Also, for the sake of making things... less difficult for me while writing it, most of the characters have the same names and similar personalities.)
Also the reason why they did not conquer the entire seven kingdoms... (Well besides me making sure only a few people had dragons and killing adventurers who dared try to expand the realm)
...
There be dragon killers among the Westerosi. Like every kingdom has a group of dedicated dragon hunters that kill dragons. With all the badass weapons, training, and bullshit that implies.
(Also, for the sake of making things... less difficult for me while writing it, most of the characters have the same names and similar personalities.)
Also the reason why they did not conquer the entire seven kingdoms... (Well besides me making sure only a few people had dragons and killing adventurers who dared try to expand the realm)
...
There be dragon killers among the Westerosi. Like every kingdom has a group of dedicated dragon hunters that kill dragons. With all the badass weapons, training, and bullshit that implies.
- Location
- Postcard from the Root
While a part of me wishes we could just send Robert to the Wall, for all the things he's done and his bloodthirstiness it looks like executing him is the most viable option. I feel like a controlled, logical argument is best for Stannis but I'm open to an emotional one if it's good enough since Stannis seems to be in a bit emotionally vulnerable.
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- She/Her
Goose is an intelligent person, I trust they can figure out what answer people are voting for.
I mean. Couple things, not least of which is, if the man doesn't like fluff, why bother apologising for what will happen, what has to happen? He wouldn't believe it, and neither would anyone else. Also, the "essay" isn't about appeasing or fluffing Stannis: it's about persuasion. A simple "your brother has to die, and it is my duty to replace him" does nothing to make the case for why that's necessary, why it has to be us.
It isn't just about answering the questions, it's about making our case so plain and clear that he cannot help but acknowledge it. It's not a 100% guarantee that he's in for killing Robert, or who should replace him -- this is about shoring up those odds. This is about making our position inarguable. And, not for nothing, but: the more we lay out our case, the harder it is to imagine us as unhinged like our father, or naive like our brother. That's important when it comes to Stannis, too.
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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- He
I mean I have a degree in history. I think I can figure it out.
So everyone read my little speel about an AU? Cause you may like it... a lot.
- Location
- USA
[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
- Location
- Arcadia
This AU will be interesting.
Stannis' response will hopefully be favorable. He himself admitted that having to choose between loyalty to his king and loyalty to his brother had been the most difficult decision he had to make. To make this decision once more will be no less difficult for him.
Stannis' response will hopefully be favorable. He himself admitted that having to choose between loyalty to his king and loyalty to his brother had been the most difficult decision he had to make. To make this decision once more will be no less difficult for him.
