Rihaku
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No, it'd be so difficult for your enemies to reach your Final Form that you guys would never see it!
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No, it'd be so difficult for your enemies to reach your Final Form that you guys would never see it!
Go back and look at the Hero's Panolply and you'll see upgrades are broken into catagories
I. The Forebear's Blade
II. Hunger
III. Evening Sky
Forebear's blade advancements require the blade, Hunger advancements require the ring, and Evening Sky required that we kill that one dude and then spend a bunch of Arete to copy his ability. It's my suspicion that Evening Sky is also inspired by Gisena, seeing as how it tends to be beautiful/graceful, as well as offer Findross in multiple different abilities.
It's my guess that if we'd taken Unshattered we would be unable to purchase any further upgrades in the Forbear's blade category. This would include One and Future.
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We already have an option that goes from 2 to 7 and we can pick it without issue, so this seems to be separate 7AP purchase.
On the other hand, this would also mean that we are at 9AP, which is an excellent place to start 25ap sprint if we were to take cheaper combo.
This sounds like a challenge.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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Anybody really important makes important enemies, so maybe both the Forebear and the Tyrant both had to burn their selfhood at some point as well? Gotta wonder how common it is, in that universe.
Also, the Hero's name was Rian, with an i. I don't like that spelling much, but that's life. This also came to me in a dream, not sure why my subconscious keeps spitting arbitrary nonsense at me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Signature Arete's awarded monthly and we can sell out whenever, there's no cutoff for signing up. I believe @Aabcehmu was managing the spreadsheet? We've had some new takers recently.
Nah, you're right, we never got to see Ishida deploy Vollständig. Of course, by the end of the quest he had only Yamamoto, Aizen, and possibly Yhwach for peers, so there wasn't much call for it. Though I seem to recall hints about there being more things in heaven and earth than were ever dreamt of in the Bleach manga, so who knows?
Personally, I place my faith in the Apocryphal Curse to disprove this.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
[X] The Mire Wolf
[X] Evening Sky - Shine Bright
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage
I've been vacillating between Shine Bright and Pristine Star for the purposes of voting unity-- now I can vote for Shine Bright in peace! A two Arete expenditure may be costly, but in exchange, our team healing is now viable in more combat situations, we unlock research into a new magic system (and Gisena +s, the third most valuable resource in any Rihaku quest), and now we can be a shiny ghost!
[X] Evening Sky - Shine Bright
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage
I've been vacillating between Shine Bright and Pristine Star for the purposes of voting unity-- now I can vote for Shine Bright in peace! A two Arete expenditure may be costly, but in exchange, our team healing is now viable in more combat situations, we unlock research into a new magic system (and Gisena +s, the third most valuable resource in any Rihaku quest), and now we can be a shiny ghost!
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Don't know why the four Arete vote got so popular. Is it all because of the possible findross research? Is making sure Letrizia heals fully in a day rather than several worth 2 Arete? I don't think that meaningfully increases our margin of safety. Even Rihaku thinks it's unnecessary.
Shine Bright won't be the only findross related ability we can get. We don't need to spend now to secure it. There's no particular urgency to upgrade Gisena anyway, she's doing fine. Going for such an upgrade now seems premature.
Shine Bright won't be the only findross related ability we can get. We don't need to spend now to secure it. There's no particular urgency to upgrade Gisena anyway, she's doing fine. Going for such an upgrade now seems premature.
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It's a comprehensive option; it heals everyone in our party while opening up two avenues of development that some people are interested in. It's expensive without power, yes, but we don't get nothing for that.
If we wait until things are urgent to work on them, we will usually not get them done.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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Also if we want to upgrade Gisena Undying Vanguard does it immediately, and we can probably develop more abilities derived from UV to boost allies further.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
There were also concerns raised about Pristine Star taking too long to heal our party to full capacity, and allowing Ber(nard) too much time to scale-- and Shine Bright does a considerable amount better than Pristine Star in that regard.
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While you might be correct, I think that's unlikely, due to the fact that it's tied to the lore of the hidden masters, and so far, nothing else has referenced it.
I doubt that we would lose plot-potential by taking unshattered.
If that's the case...then I suppose it would ultimately make me somewhat glad that it lost.
I doubt that we would lose plot-potential by taking unshattered.
If that's the case...then I suppose it would ultimately make me somewhat glad that it lost.
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We don't get nothing, but we do get something fairly underwhelming for the price. There's no need to focus on Gisena advancemnt right this moment when we ourselves are in danger of dying; something the saved Arete would help a lot more towards. Gisena lacking in ability is not even a glimmer of concern right now.
Only we benefit from the increased time for Progression; as long as Letrizia is fully healed by the time Ber comes back; she's likely as powerful as she can be. Second Stage heals us in a day no matter what, and then we can level from there. It's the same for both votes in this regard. 2 Arete for what won't likely even be full two weeks of extra time for Letrizia isn't worth it.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
A fully healed party means overall more combat-effectiveness-- it's not the same for both votes. Having full party effectiveness sooner rather than later means we can grind against stronger opponents (which is relevant due to the specter of Ber) and while we're at constant risk of attacks and Apocryphal procs, Arete spent is better than Arete saved. Beyond that, as a healing ability it's just more effective in that we can use it in the span of minutes instead of weeks and is comparatively more resilient against anti-healing. It's more useful in future fights, dungeon runs, and situations where time is not a luxury.
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And we also kill the first member of their party without them seeing to care in the slightest. I suppose that's because she was just another mercenary to them...
Odyssial, burdened by his curses, hasn't made the omniverse into a paradise yet. Though, there is the question of why his High Cursebearers haven't done so for him, yet. What's stopping them?
And we wake, better off than when we ended up going to sleep but still greatly diminished. And the parallel with Verschlengorge is interesting. I wonder what would be necessary to restore it? Do the people of this world even have the technology necessary to return it to full power? Guess we'll find out, as long as Hunger doesn't die before we reach civilization, of course...
And we wake up to an Apocryphal proc. Not optimal, to say the least, but it could have been considerably worse. At least, we managed to reduce our condition from exhausted to mostly exhausted. If we hadn't, we would probably have straight up died in this update...
Hundreds of attempts in a single hour... It doesn't seem like it asks very much of whoever is trying to open these portals if they can afford to make an attempt every few seconds. Also, I kind of wonder what they thought was stopping those attempts, if they didn't think there where any "adds" involved...
That was a very good choice on Gisena part. As I've already mentioned, Gisena waking us up early would have almost certainly lead to our death...
Yeah. If they want so badly to go where they're clearly not wanted, they have no one but themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.
Agreed on the "interesting times" and don't worry Gisena! You made the right choice and I'm sure that, as soon as Hunger has a moment to think about it, he'll agree with that assessment.
Hunger and Gisena really have good synergy with one another, don't they? Even though I voted for Caethlynn back at the beginning of the quest, I'm certainly not unhappy with what we got.
As other have already mentioned, their party composition was very similar to our own: a man with some form of ability providing a high rate of progression, two beautiful women and a mechanical construct, though ours incorporate biological elements and is a lot bigger and stronger.
We're not adds you ass, we're people! It's one thing to get payed to kill a giant monstrous biomechanical construct and another altogether to kill people just for money... But apparently they don't care about this distinction at all and proceed to try to straight up murder us, without the slightest hesitation.
So he's some kind of noble, apparently? Or maybe they just swore fealty to this guy?
And we also kill the first member of their party without them seeing to care in the slightest. I suppose that's because she was just another mercenary to them...
This guy is pretty strong isn't he? Doing that much damage to Verschlengorge in a single attack is pretty impressive.
Yeah. Sucks to be expendable. Though they should probably taken her death as sign of how powerful we were and reconsidered their foolish attack...
Another illustration of the fact that they're are clearly two different tiers of people among this party: those who are Ber companions and the expendable minions. Though really, using the term "mercenary" in a derogatory manner, when you're a mercenary yourself, is somewhat hypocritical, don't you think? Also, pulling rank in a middle of pitched battle when your subordinate is offering sound tactical advice is rather dumb, in my opinion.
I mean... Being plain compared to Gisena is nothing to be ashamed about, her appearance is literally superhuman, any real world human would be plain when compared to Gisena!
Evening Sky showing it's worth, allowing us to just absorb enemy blows, so we can simply attack when they won't be able to defend themselves.
Yeah, Gisena is nowhere as squishy as you would expect from a pure mage. Graces coming with free stat boosts that can bring one into the superhuman range help make sure that a sorceress is never going to be useless in the physical domain, though it's questionable how relevant that actually is against the orcs of the Manifest Realm, given how powerful those are in physical combat.
And in that ballet of aerial acrobatics, Hunger claim his second victim in this battle. This one is gonna have a far larger impact on the enemy morale than the last one...
Yeah, we really shouldn't have gone for that fish... Let's not make the same mistake again, ok?
Dwelling on past mistakes in the middle of battle is not what you want to be doing, they're will be more than enough time for that later. Hunger (the ring, I mean) is also very nice. These bouts of constant fighting would be a lot more obnoxious if we didn't get 10 times more EXP from them. I'm not sure how we'd still be alive if that was the case!
The hero unleashing their full potential in a bout of anger after losing one of their loved one is a lot more obnoxious when you're on the other side of it... Not that these bozos really qualifies as heroes, given their complete disregard for the lives of anyone who isn't one of Ber companions.
Again, we are too slow because of that stupid fish. Seriously, why did people vote for this?
Yeah, the Inigo Montoya speech would probably sound a lot less impressive in real life.
The construct shows it's actually the only real professional in this disaster of a group. They should have treated it better.
Imagine if A Curse, Deffered had won... We'd have died, right there!
This is somewhat of a false equivalence, given all the atrocities the Tyrant presumably committed, but it's nice to see that Hunger is stilled concerned about becoming what he despise. If he ever stop worrying, that will be a massive cause for concern, though it will probably be too late, by that point...
And she get completely out played. Nice to see that those charisma bonuses can be useful even in combat! Though that was pretty cool, I still found it pretty ruthless to exploit her pain over her friend death like that. The effect of ++Heartlessness, I suppose.
Fell-Handed Stroke demonstrating it's usefulness! It's not exactly the optimal use of it, given the amount of damage we took in the process, but it got the job done.
Not completely heartless, though. For all that these guys kind of deserve their fates, I can't stop myself from somewhat sympathizing here. Losing someone you really cared about, just to die almost immediately afterward because your friend's killer exploited your compromised state while you were trying to take your revenge upon him... And all of that just for money and glory? What a waste...
That Hunger is taking the Tyrant's lessons so at heart is rather concerning. Hopefully he can manage to maintain his sense of morality through the eons that separate him from acquiring his vengeance...
"if he were at full strength"... And the foolishness of our decisions is remarked upon, yet again. Seriously, let's never do something like that ever again. When Rihaku tell us that something is a bad idea in the future, let's just listen.
For all that we killed all but one member of the opposing party, it wasn't without costs...
This is not just a MMO in real life... Enemies in real life don't have patterns, unless they're really stupid beasts or automatons. Thinking beings will be trying to act unpredictably and predict your own actions so as to maximize their own chance of victory, they won't simply follow a predetermined strategy.
His shock completely understandable. Imagine: you're fighting for your life against a super powerful enemy and, just when you have a moment of respite, you turn around and see that the entirety of your party, apart from yourself, is dead.
...I know you have some kind of Gamer ability, but that does not make reality a game. Sera wasn't an essential npc in a game, she was a real life person (within the context of the quest of course) and in real life, everybody is allowed to die, sadly.
Odyssial, burdened by his curses, hasn't made the omniverse into a paradise yet. Though, there is the question of why his High Cursebearers haven't done so for him, yet. What's stopping them?
It's a good thing he couldn't read our power level or we might actually have died there...
We're far more than that! To think that your puny System would be able to read the abilities of a Cursebearer who doesn't suffer from the Plenary Brand, how foolish!
That would normally be a very good strategy, but sadly for this guy, we're a Progression-type Cursebearer.
That ellipsis... If you didn't want them to die, maybe you should have pulled back when you noticed the "adds"... Or at least assess them before sending your allies to fight them... This senseless loss of lives could all have been avoided if Ber had taken even basic precautions, rather than just charging in without any hesitation.
Particularly given that it was that easy for him to retreat...
And another arm down... Thankfully, this one isn't as hard to restore as the other one.
Nice to see Hunger being so solicitous toward his companions, even when he's in such a state. Though, after he's gone through, it is understandable that he really wouldn't want to lose anyone again, even if he's only known them for a few days. Also, it make a good contrast to Ber's attitude...
Don't worry Gisena. We'll get Letrizia the healing she needs.
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Enohthree
Hypersane
Aside from the fact that the other healing effect now has as many votes, Rihaku gave a pseudo estimate of less than a third of that to get back up to running. She's not 'on the verge of death' that would take two weeks to fix, we're hunting for healing mostly because there's going to be permanent nerve damage otherwise. Technically speaking we could just not heal her and she would be non-combat ready but alive, even if we're obviously not going to be picking that option.
Rihaku
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Alright guys, pick between the top two Mire Wolf options, [ ] Shine Bright + Second Stage vs. [ ] Pristine Star + Second Stage. The update is mostly written and can be revised to account for either outcome, so we can post it as soon as this is resolved!
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Letrizia was hurt and they had no means of supernatural healing. Gisena as well, though not so profoundly. His own state was nothing to envy; the charred husk of his arm could barely maintain its grip on the Forebear's Blade. Despite all they had lost, there had been gain as well. He was beginning to better understand the power of Progression that manifested in him, the lens through which it channeled his growth.
With each enemy beaten he grew in power. He could use that power to spin away parts of that enemy's legacy, taking them for his own. The jackal-dragon had given him a dragon's longevity. The King Fish, its furious might. The pirate captain's armor had become his cloak of stars. Already some fraction of Seralize's speed had invested him, reflexes heightened to keening sharpness.
That wasn't all. He could direct that power towards an existing aspect of his panoply instead, enhancing the Blade's destructive might or his Evening Sky's protection.
If he could find a beast with the power of healing and harvest its strength for his own, Letrizia's left side could be mended. She would not suffer the horrific pain and permanent damage of her burns. It was more than worth the risk.
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Letrizia was hurt and they had no means of supernatural healing. Gisena as well, though not so profoundly. His own state was nothing to envy; the charred husk of his arm could barely maintain its grip on the Forebear's Blade. Despite all they had lost, there had been gain as well. He was beginning to better understand the power of Progression that manifested in him, the lens through which it channeled his growth.
With each enemy beaten he grew in power. He could use that power to spin away parts of that enemy's legacy, taking them for his own. The jackal-dragon had given him a dragon's longevity. The King Fish, its furious might. The pirate captain's armor had become his cloak of stars. Already some fraction of Seralize's speed had invested him, reflexes heightened to keening sharpness.
That wasn't all. He could direct that power towards an existing aspect of his panoply instead, enhancing the Blade's destructive might or his Evening Sky's protection.
If he could find a beast with the power of healing and harvest its strength for his own, Letrizia's left side could be mended. She would not suffer the horrific pain and permanent damage of her burns. It was more than worth the risk.
[X] Pristine Star + Second Stage
I don't thing constantly spending our Arete on 2 costs is the way to go.
I don't thing constantly spending our Arete on 2 costs is the way to go.
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Self healing is similar in each; Shine Bright gives us fast companion healing!