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- USA
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- He/Him
I mean + to social 50 times, which could be as few as 5 characters. And yeah even then there's not the word count for it, but I just mean that even considering Arete spent efficiently, I'm fine with the rate.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- Original
It's also good for recruitment: "join me and visit basically-heaven once a month"
If you're copy-pasting votes, use control-shift-v to paste and it will paste the text with all formatting (bold and colors) stripped out.
Were there any hints about how Letrizia ended up in the Voyaging Realm in the first place? She skimmed over that during our introduction. I would've assumed jump accidents would've been rare with the way Verschlengorge can stabilize the Astral. I'd guess the multinational she works with is likely focused on Foremost research/response. So maybe it was a research expedition gone wrong in here.
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- USA
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- He/Him
My guess is she's here for Verschlengorge's Decimator mitigation? But we don't know yet, no.
Mental Apex mk. II, Evening Sky edition?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Could be she got backstabbed given her political position? It's been a long time since I played an Armored Core game but aren't there missions where your teammates turn on you? Plus given the ability of whatever organization runs the city to integrate outsiders, I'm thinking it's somehow analoguous to the Raven's Nest from the Armored Core franchise.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Nooooooo! Curse Orm's sudden but inevitable hatred of Waifu's that aren't moon!
More seriously 0.5 arete is not a lot in the scheme of things and + to companions aren't something we can produce by trying hard enough unlike arete. Besides Gisena is crucial to both our combat and social strategies and anything that makes us work more effectively together is a solid investment.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
They do seem to be something we can produce easily enough in our downtime, though. it is true that arete can be produced via a lot of discussion, omakes, etc. But that's... hard to keep up for any length of time. Certainly difficult to reach the point of getting the 25 purchases in a reasonable time frame.
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- Omniverse #1345
[X] King's Blood
[X] Spend No Arete
[X] Tyrant - Trusted Counsel
-[X] Trust Gisena
[X] Apocryphal Curse - Direct Mitigation
[X] +0.5 Arete
One final adjustment to my vote, then. I've been swayed by the fact we can get a decimator mitigation next month after we have time to explore more options to mitigate it.
[X] Spend No Arete
[X] Tyrant - Trusted Counsel
-[X] Trust Gisena
[X] Apocryphal Curse - Direct Mitigation
[X] +0.5 Arete
One final adjustment to my vote, then. I've been swayed by the fact we can get a decimator mitigation next month after we have time to explore more options to mitigate it.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
The point is 0.5 arete for a plus is a damn good deal. At that rate we could get +10 for 5 arete. +10 i think is more than we've ever had for a character where 5 arete is basically an updates worth of generation the equivalent to a bit over 2BP.
OctarineShrike
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You dropped your Arete vs Gisena vote.
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Ahhh, thank you.
It would be... except we need Arete far more than we need additional +'s to characters. We're already well into Gisena's good books, and as long as we don't do anything too stupid we should be able to stay that way easily enough.
Basically, a + would be worth more than .5 arete, except we need arete more than we need to pile on yet more +'s. Gisena liking us more would be nice, but I would really rather we get another serious upgrade before apocryphal smacks us again.
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
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- She/Her
Yo, @Conjured Blade, calling in my marker. Will you use your veto?
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Given we didn't spend the extra arete to get a mitigation this update we aren't exactly strapped for it at the moment. Relationship +'s normally also have a mechanical effect at certain milestones as well as a narrative one. Plus since we need Gisena quite a bit more than she needs us I'd prefer she like as much as possible. She's currently the only person in the universe who understands us well enough to interact with us normally despite the tyrant's curse without having to obviously be subservient. She's vital for Hunger's mental health.
Besides the apocryphal curse only says we'll live in interesting times not that it'll constantly spam us with combat encounters. Maybe some of the procs will test our companions loyalty?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Sure I'll switch. You've got this right? Trying to see if I can think of anything to say right now in favor of a Gisena route.
[x]runeblue360
Relationship pluses don't work the same way as in EFB remember. 5 Arete is also way more than a single updates worth. I think you're underselling how hard it is to acquire quite a bit.
Maybe, she seemed to imply she was trapped as well, which would indicate it's less of a planned thing like that though. Could've been misdirection but I think Hunger would've spotted such.
Between her Title and being pilot of an Armament she'd have presumably quite a bit of sway, so removing her could be valuable. She seemed like she would've been more bitter in that scenario though.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
5 arete is about how much we earned in between time and tides and fisher king I think. We've also earned something like 12 or 13 arete over the course of the quest so far but only 9 or so +'s most of which used up actions to get. 0.5 for a free + seems worth it to me. Arete generation also increases in speed the longer an update takes so right now is the best time to generate some. We've got like 4.5 at the moment despite using all of it last update.
We also don't know if +'s work the same way as in EFB or not unless I missed a ruling somewhere? Regardless we're going to be spending a lot of time with Gisena so the better our relationship the better of a time it will be.
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- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Everyone going for direct Tyrant Mitigation: We need to decide if we go direct or trusted companion, as they are viable together but are currently being edged out by Huntress' Moon.
That was with Rihaku showing us mercy to let us build up a bit more than we should have been able to, though. I don't expect we'll get that kind of mercy in the future.
We're close to 12 total Arete earned, with the Arete system being implemented after Heart Vote 1 presumably. So more like 1-2 an update average.
It's mentioned here. Sure we're going to be spending a lot of time, you could also say that fact means no need to rush for pluses. Let them come over time instead.
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OctarineShrike
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Alright. I've said before that Gisena/Hunger are better in the black quadrant than the red quadrant, but Gisena's insisting that Hunger rest like that and the look she got on her face when he mentioned sacrificing his name for power and the curse mitigation scene in general also have room for pale interpretation. Pale is pretty fluffy and in all honesty I wouldn't mind seeing them sorting out their issues in a frank fashion like that/them having a feelings jam. As for more practical angles, as Rihaku already mentioned, Doom of the Tyrant may tank some of our standing with her once we reach civilization which is mitigated by doom of the tyrant mitigation and taking another Gisena point. King's Blood is good because it means we're less likely to need professional medical attention once we reach civilization for a while, with the issues for Doom of the Tyrant procs that seeking it out may entail.
Rihaku
The Internet
How tactical! That swings a good amount of omake power to the +Gisena camp...
I wouldn't go that far! You're a Progression-type Cursebearer with an extremely broad set of powers whereas she's a highly specialized support-type mage with only moderately superhuman stats. She's hardly helpless by herself but she benefits much more from synergy than you do.
You used it during Tuesday's update, so it took some days to generate this amount of Arete, and that was with multiple pieces of really great fanwork from the community. It's true that a much higher level of Arete generation is possible via compounding discussion but the audience for this thread seems a bit too small to achieve that consistently.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
I don't think direct doom of the tyrant mitigation is worthwhile. It does too little in exchange for the first level of mitigation possible considering we won't be able to build on it until we can harness the energy of the entire universe. Trusted council at least lets us obey one law or custom direct mitigation just lets us acknowledge some as exisiting if someone tells us while bowing and scraping.
Trusted council would be super useful in letting us obey some fundamental rule of society which is otherwise going to cause a huge problem but I can't really see the usefulness of direct mitigation at all.
Trusted council would be super useful in letting us obey some fundamental rule of society which is otherwise going to cause a huge problem but I can't really see the usefulness of direct mitigation at all.