Rihaku
The Internet
But it doesn't even yield improved nutrition!
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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But it doesn't even yield improved nutrition!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
hey we don't know that! There's the ??? and the Legendary Fish - who's to say we won't snag an edible one?
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
But if we don't catch the legendary fish how will we complete our ImpleDex?!
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
We're power positive when we're exhausted with Lord Reaper or Evening Sky. If tired isn't as bad as exhausted, doesn't that mean we're even more power positive and prepared for apocryphal bullshit?
Rihaku
The Internet
Bah, completing those things doesn't give any benefit anyway.
Sure does!
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Well assuming our mad fishing skills increase our accretion rank which seems likely, Fisher King makes us even stronger.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
You mean the Foremost won't even send down an agent to give us a certificate? What a bunch of cheapskates!
- Location
- Planet Earth
Speed is great and wonderful, but there are things which mere speed won't save you from. Be it confusion from there being so much going on at the time. Or perhaps a strike from stealth preventing us from bringing our speed to bear. Maybe we got hit by a mental assault previously and thus are incapable of reacting. Maybe instead of a combat threat we get poisoned. Hell, maybe its as simple as someone shooting us in the back of the head with a good gun. Perhaps the general point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't matter your speed if there's nothing for us to react to, thus no Lord Reaper is only marginally safer in direct combat.
Worth noting, everything described above? Star-Cloaked Shroud would protect us from.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Sure being fast and strong doesn't always help you win a fight but it helps a lot of the time. A sevenfold increase is really quite a lot to suddenly pull out during a fight. Just being tanky doesn't win you fights it just helps you survive them. If we want to make the best use of hunger then we need to be able to hit out of our weight class and that's what Lord Reaper provides.
- Location
- Planet Earth
First off, being tanky very much will help you win fights, it means you can both outlast your enemy and you can afford to be more aggressive because you can afford to trade hits. Secondly, and more importantly in my mind, that sevenfold increase is only useful in combat, while Star-Cloaked Shroud is useful in a multitude of situations outside of combat. You may not be able to punch up so well, but its also much harder for others to remove you from the board.
Furthermore, punching up isn't actually all that important for us. Lord Hunger is a Progression-type Cursebearer, so long as he survives he will continue to grow until eventually the only thing he'd have to punch up to would be The Accursed. Survival in order to continue growing is far more important than just increased growth rates. It doesn't really matter if you strike faster if your life gets cut short before you can make use of such.
This is especially true when you consider the fact that the Lord Reaper build isn't going away. We'll be perfectly capable of grabbing it next time Hunger triggers most likely, something that is not true for Star-Cloaked Shroud.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Punching up is vitally important for us since we traded away the ability to progress quickly outside of combat for vastly improved increases while fighting. I'm pretty sure we only progress at the rate an average person would now other than our sleep and age boosts. This means the stronger the opponents we can kill the faster we progress which Lord Reaper is best suited for.
Star Cloaked shroud might be unique to this update but considering Lord Hunger previously had an even better defensive Accretion it's not like there won't be defensive picks in later build votes. The offensive power of Lord Reaper just lets us rack up more xp so we get more powerful options more quickly.
- Location
- Space
[X] Star-Cloaked Shroud
I'd like to make a point about how we've got an offensive item and a progression/healing item so a strong defensive item is the ideal pick to fill out our panoply, but honestly I'm just here for the cool cloak.
I'd like to make a point about how we've got an offensive item and a progression/healing item so a strong defensive item is the ideal pick to fill out our panoply, but honestly I'm just here for the cool cloak.
You've run enough quests to know the answer to that.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Observe as, in the very next build vote, we get another time-limited, once-only Arete option..
- Location
- Pindorama
The Legendary Seven-Colored Fish has never been caught by mortal hands.
Until now.
But seriously, if a 7 Arete option would make us more safe than before even with Exhausted, there's no reason to refuse the mystery box. That we miss on the +Letrizia from Substantially isn't that big a deal when we have improved Charisma to improve the results of our socializing should we choose Evening Sky. It's a protection more useful against a more wide variety of threats as well- remember, we aren't the only ones who can have hax that punches above our weight class. As a Progression type Cursebearer, survival is more important than victory, because as long as we survive, the opposition will be outscaled eventually. We don't want to be in a position were we'll have to win a bout of rocket tag to survive and we might find ourselves in that situation with Lord Reaper. This vote is already risky enough as is.
Until now.
But seriously, if a 7 Arete option would make us more safe than before even with Exhausted, there's no reason to refuse the mystery box. That we miss on the +Letrizia from Substantially isn't that big a deal when we have improved Charisma to improve the results of our socializing should we choose Evening Sky. It's a protection more useful against a more wide variety of threats as well- remember, we aren't the only ones who can have hax that punches above our weight class. As a Progression type Cursebearer, survival is more important than victory, because as long as we survive, the opposition will be outscaled eventually. We don't want to be in a position were we'll have to win a bout of rocket tag to survive and we might find ourselves in that situation with Lord Reaper. This vote is already risky enough as is.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
We did already get ++++Zea from the previous vote and spill so I think missing this one in favour of a +Gisena is just fine.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
To elaborate, we are a Progression-Class with Apocryphal and Accretion. The odds of getting such time-limited options basically approaches 100% over time. That doesn't make Evening Sky a bad option though, it does fill out our needed 'defence' slot and we're one-armed.
- Location
- Earth
[X] Of Fishermen, A King
[X] Star-Cloaked Shroud
[X] Star-Cloaked Shroud
Rihaku
The Internet
Come on guys, it's just a fish! Why take the risk? Or save up for a 25 Arete option by purchasing something cheap, like El Stats?
It would make you more safe than before this vote, certainly. But what if the enemies you fight after this vote aren't as weak as the ones you just fought? The world doesn't scale to you, but the Apocryphal Curse can, to some degree. And it may or may not take into account such temporary debuffs as Exhaustion!
You would.
It would make you more safe than before this vote, certainly. But what if the enemies you fight after this vote aren't as weak as the ones you just fought? The world doesn't scale to you, but the Apocryphal Curse can, to some degree. And it may or may not take into account such temporary debuffs as Exhaustion!
You would.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
The more Rihaku argues against fishing the more convinced I become that the fish is the true final boss.
But think of all the Oakcursed Favor!
[X] A Curse, Deferred
[X] Substantially
Looking grim for the reaper, so evaluating alternatives. This one certainly is growing on me. We absolutely don't want to crown ourselves if we take deferred admittedly. Two years is nearly an eternity in progression time though, so in addition to the morale and conscience benefits, just the freedom of action being released from having to work around it grants could end handily up paying for itself.
[X] Substantially
Looking grim for the reaper, so evaluating alternatives. This one certainly is growing on me. We absolutely don't want to crown ourselves if we take deferred admittedly. Two years is nearly an eternity in progression time though, so in addition to the morale and conscience benefits, just the freedom of action being released from having to work around it grants could end handily up paying for itself.
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- Location
- Pindorama
I'd like to reming everyone that the Apocryphal Curse just triggered. It's unlikely it will interfere again for a while; though not impossible. El Stats is safer during the brief chance that Apocryphal foes trigger while we are Exhausted but it's specifically a martial problem and that nonetheless it doesn't send something powerful enough to fuck us over anyway. I don't think that's a meaningful enough chance to plan around.