G i g a s l e e p t a n k

Efficiency<Fish in sea, lots of small powerups are much more fun than one amazing one. I recognize that this is an objectively wrong opinion but am unlikely to change it. :p
 
I'd probably go with 2 or 3 of those plans. But I'm really hoping we can get up to 7 arete at the least and manage to switch to conclusion, since people are not willing to switch off of the king fish.

I'm probably only going to include 1. The 7 Arete options are being offered since you guys have 6 Arete and can go into 1 Arete Debt at the cost of a substantial debuff. If you guys can get to 7 actual Arete before the consolidation then you'll be able to take a 7 Arete option and Fisher King.
 
Yeah, I'm very much not fond of the thief archetype, and with option 3 not having it and allowing future Magus builds, that is very much my preference, especially since it has both good basics and a wonderful growth option.
 

Actually pretty fitting for Hunger. When he thirsts for vengeance, he devours everything around him and turns the world into a wasteland. Should he give up vengeance, he becomes nothing and the very essence of his being is drained away. It's only when he finds measure of peace that he can put hold to hit vendetta, though he will inevitably take it up again in time.

Also, he's really good at fishing, I guess?

There were no prey for Gisena's blast-fishing experiment in the river, but scarce hours later they encountered a picturesque lake, freshwater glittering in the sun and spanning very nearly to the horizon. Lilies bobbed across its expansive surface as birds and bugs circled lazily about, the halcyon chorus of life uninterrupted.

"Well, this is downright idyllic!" Gisena exclaimed, spinning around to face the water. She skipped happily down to the shore, humming as she went.

I was going to comment the exact same thing but Gisena beat me to it. This place is obnoxiously nice, to the point that it feels like some kind of trap. They just happened to stumble lovely pond to ruin with high explosives the same day they desired to fish and found no prey? Pull the other one Apocryphal, it's got bells on it. That or maybe Versh led us here intentionally as a treat for its true pilot and companions. I would've appreciated that but anything it gives us seems intrinsically suspicious from something so obviously evil looking.

Maybe I'm mistaken and it'll turn out to be a totally innocent being fucked over by the Foremost, only starving because of psychosurgery or whatever. On that day, I might apologise for hurting Versh's feelings. Till then, I'm gonna keep a wary eye on it.

"It's downright suspicious." He followed, keeping his eyes peeled. They'd spoken of fishing, and a fishing spot appeared. It could be benign, the world yielding to his whims on this small matter - a faint echo of the causality-bending influence he'd once exerted by sheer power of spirit.

Long seconds passed. Nothing struck at them, from ambush or otherwise; he settled into a watchful wariness.

Nice to know Hunger is on the same page here. Really didn't expect the Accretion to have such relatively flexible fate manipulation, though I suppose it shouldn't be too much of a surprise. How else were they supposed to get beach episodes while in a guerilla war against an oppressive totalitarian state? Makes me really regret not taking Unshattered and even more eager to up our Accretion rank. Hopefully mercenary requests count for those purposes or maybe Letrizia can get us some referrals.

Letrizia had Verschlengorge extend a hand over the water, acting as a makeshift pier. He carved a rudimentary fishing rod from a branch and some wire, while Gisena tinkered with one of the Armament's dumb-fire munitions, its fuses safely set aside.

Damn Gisena, how hard have you been hitting the books? If you weren't so gorgeous and charismatic, I'd call you a total fucking nerd. Seriously, she went from "wow guns are real neat" to "hold my beer and watch me dismantle this mortar". Sure, her nihilism plays a role but for Zia to not be freaking the fuck out, she must have displayed some serious knowledge.

"You go first," he handed Letrizia the rod, and some processed meat for bait. "It's simple. Flick the rod to cast the line and wait."

"A-alright." Letrizia took the rod from him and cast the line with a determined expression. "How long does it usually take?"

"Depends," he shrugged. "Could be minutes, could be hours."

So cute.

"That long?" She asked petulantly. "Couldn't you hunt the fish with your physical power? You slew an Astral beast the size of a giant!"

"I'd rather rest for a time," he replied, settling in. "That bandit leader was well-equipped and skilled. I exerted myself more than I'd like. The well of my power has thinned."

God, what a contrast. I can really feel Accretion's agnosticism to its opponent's strength. It sounds so cool when you talk about blocking supernovas but those high expectations make it all the more disappointing when you struggle to fight a random miniboss. Talk about being tired all you like Hunger, Letrizia was the one who patched up the gaping hole in your stomach. You got fucked up by a chump.

I imagine he probably feels the worst about it. Does he remember anything about the heights from which he has fallen? I'm really glad we took repose because we need that old man energy or we'd seem even more pathetic.

"Hmph," She tossed her hair primly. "So, we're to wait your pleasure while you rest? You could just as easily sleep while Verschlengorge is moving."

"Yes, you're to wait," he said dryly. "And fish."

"A-ah."

Oh my god, maximally adorable, trying to not seem childish towards an impressive and intimidating pseudo-authority figure despite that authority figure imposing a seemingly pointless timewasting task. She's weak against people answering her rhetorical questions though. I suspect between her position, rank and giant robot, very few people would dare.

They sat in silence for a bit.

"W-well, that's just totally unreasonable!" She finally said, turning to glare at him.

"I never told you I was going to be reasonable."

"That's true... Wait, I-I mean, you shouldn't have to tell people that! Reasonableness is the expected order of things!"

"Do as you like. I'm resting here."

"Mmh..." Letrizia slouched unhappily.

The cutest in the universe.

And yeah, when it comes down to it Letrizia doesn't have a lot of leverage here. As far as she knows, the Astral beings Versh detects are the greatest threat on this journey and leaving behind their strongest personal combatant would probably end with her dead, especially if Gisena followed him. And wow, watching Hunger talk with Zia is like seeing a lazy but mildly sadistic cat play with a mouse. Truly maximum booli. Not that I'm complaining, these conditions are ideal for Zee's appeal to shine.

He chewed on a stalk of grass. "Hey. What do you think our chances of getting out of here are? Eight out of ten? Nine?"

"At least nine, I'd hope! Both you and Miss Gisena are strong... maybe ninety-five out of a hundred times we should escape? As long as we don't have too many encounters like today."

Huh. Guess I was right in saying that personal combat enhancement is relatively rare is a scrub like Hunger is currently counts at strong. Wonder how she would have reacted if we'd been Unshattered. Gisena's ability to restabilise rifts would make her an invaluable asset too and even without that she's got a strong sense for battle. Plus, she's a genius.

And wow, those are some really optimistic odds. While our Arete generation gives us a serious edge, as does Progression, our general decision making hasn't been ideal so far. Gotta really fire up the omake engines if we want to survive; the Apocryphal would take 10 to 20 points off that estimation, easy. Wonder why he's even asking her though, she doesn't seem to have any significant experience with this place.

"I tend to attract trouble. So does this guy." He gestured towards the Armament with his head.

"Hmph! True enough. Maybe if you were a bit more reasonable, that wouldn't be the case."

"Fire me if you like. I'll retire and become a fisherman."

She laughed. "I'd like to see that!" 


She laughs but little does she know that the hero's weapon of choice before he went graverobbing was actually a fishing rod. If we can reforge our legend, we could start dragging things out the Astral and into reality, providing a steady stream of enemies to grind on. Moreover, you've not heard true suffering until you've heard a human being with a fishhook in their ear. It's a genuinely deadly weapon. Just wait till he returns to full power, he'll start pulling ships out of orbit and fish in the eddies of fate for favourable conclusions.

What do you mean that seems a bit beyond Accretion? Why else would we have To Shatter Heaven if not to enable ridiculous gonzo bullshit like this?

"Point is, we don't know exactly what the future will bring, or if we're all going to make it. It's worthwhile to look around and enjoy this place every once in a while. Steal what joy you can."


Letrizia looked down, her expression conflicted. "You're right. You're right, of course, but..."

He closed his eyes, letting his instincts guide him. "You feel like you don't have time for that. That people are depending on you. That if you don't achieve what you've set out to achieve, it will all have been for nothing."

She gasped. "H-how did you-"

"I felt the same, once." He paused, thinking carefully.

Honestly, this is what I was really hoping for in their relationship. I was really not on board with waifu Letrizia, she's too young and too sheltered for that to be anything other than a painfully uneven relationship. Maybe after a few decades of timeskip we could see but even then it seems kinda sketch. To say nothing of how fundamentally different the lives of these two are destined to be, wandering multiversal murderhobo and Duchess of an interstellar empire.

Mentorship fits much better for their circumstances and even if the hero is vastly diminished from what he was, he's still acutely aware of what it was like being a fresh faced kid in over his head. If there's anyone who could teach her, it would be a guy who lived through that entire experience and came out completely burned out from his fuckups and failures.

Also, cool to see Accretion's social instincts in action. I was hoping for lots of stuff like this from Nightmare Praetor, being the Control to someone's Seram.

"There was a magic in my second world. Hard to quantify or explain. As you accumulated power you could do impossible feats. My enemy was very skilled in it. He'd spent centuries upon centuries gathering strength. Fighting him was like fighting the tide. Endless setbacks every week. Whenever we failed, people died. Whenever we didn't act, people died. I fought him for eleven years. If we hadn't taken what moments we could, however brief, we would have lasted... maybe five or six. That final stretch, it was only the strength that I'd gained in those moments which kept me going."

Centuries? Jesus Christ, no wonder the Tyrant managed to steamroll the world. The only thing that could have possibly let the hero take him on when he was a dumbass highschooler is fate doing all but wipe his ass for him. Did the Tyrant discover a journal of the Forebear detailing a step by step process on how to tell destiny to eat shit?

Given the wording on Rihaku's various comments (that the Forebear knows about the Hidden Ones, that he's "said to have died" and that having an instance of the Forebear in our brains would be overpowered), I'm guessing the Blade's owner actually underwent some form of ascension to the ranks of those secret gods.

She blushed. "I-I get it. You d-didn't have to make a whole speech and everything."

"Stupid."

"What?"

"'You didn't have to make a whole speech and everything, stupid.' Say it properly. What is the nobility coming to these days?"

"You! Aaah... I was trying so hard not to be a stereotype! Is this how everyone sees me, even you and Miss Gisena? That stupid Old Terra show..."

"I don't remember much. Bits and pieces. But you have to admit... the Armament. And you kind of look like her."

"Yeah. Neuron Genesis Cathedrelion, right? It's been a joke for almost as long as we've had the Armaments. I even got implants to change my hair..."

My skeleton is turning into pure light.

Amazed that a random anime survived long enough in the cultural consciousness to actually be a good. I gotta assume that her parents were just legendary weebs who genetically engineered and raised their daughter into an Asuka clone; the coincidence would be too much otherwise. It's gotta be to improving her suitability to pilot the Armaments, right? Trying to fit their daughter into the grooves of cultural consciousness already known to be compatible with biomechanical monstrosities.

"What?" He sat up. "So you're a natural redhead as well?"


Her hair shimmered for a moment, then shifted to a shade of fiery red. "Y-yeah. I thought white was more professional and would break the association, but everyone was like, 'That's exactly what she'd do!'"

"Don't fight it. Embrace it. Then people will naturally see the areas where you're different."

"Oh? L-like what?"

"You're childish at times, but on balance I'd say you're much more level-headed and mature than she was. She always acted like she had something to prove. You're truly comfortable piloting Verschlengorge. You and he have a good connection. Though not as good as mine with my sword."


"Well," She said quietly, failing to contain a smile. "I am five years older. Of course I'd be more mature!"

Well, "lean into it" is probably the best advice in this situation. Getting salty or embarassed is just blood in the water, a hearty laugh and a "I suppose so, yes" deflects this infinitely better. Also, wow Hunger, for a semi-amnesiac burned out husk of a man, you retained a fair bit of understanding to Neon Genesis Evangelion. Really didn't throw that weeb shit into the fire, huh? Very quick to put that advice into action though, its always a pleasure to teach a good student.

That said, anime white hair being more professional? What the hell is with the fashion trends of this century? Or is that her just being completely and utterly out of touch as a noble? Good to hear that she's actually got people willing to talk smack about her; she's not completely isolated.

He nodded, leaning back down again.

"Hey," She spoke up again. "That magic from your old world. It sounds a bit like the power of the Armaments. Have you ever heard of the concept of Astral Rank?"

"We didn't formally name it or anything. If you lived and did great things, you grew powerful. As your power grew, the world started to yield to you. First in small ways, then increasingly so."

"It's actually a field of study that I dabble in. A hobby of mine!"

She shifted to face him directly, tracing figures in the air with her index finger. "The most commonly used analogy is this. So, you know how objects within the physical realm have a property called mass?"

"Sure."


"Mass distorts physical space. Some say the curvature of that distortion is called gravity."

"Okay."

I can't tell if this is just her being a thorough explainer or if she thinks we don't know why rock fall down. I suppose it was to be expected we didn't know about Rank, though, not a whole lot of sophisticated measuring devices in isekai land. Really cool to see the confidence she gains while on familiar territory, it seems like she's either been mentally rehearsing this kind of thing or has complete faith in her expertise on the topic. You'd forget it looking at her but OG Asuka was a genius too, even if her interpersonal and intrapersonal skills left a lot to be desired.

"Similarly, some entities have a property we call 'Rank.' Rank distorts the Astral realm as mass does the physical, and the curvature of that distortion is called 'Pressure.' By exerting Pressure, an Armament can accomplish great feats. It's an amazing ability! Rank gives you the power to achieve the conventionally impossible, to overturn the system of the world, to blast with awe and with fear, greatness undiluted like a blazing star! It cares nothing for stipulations or prognostications. It is the sharp bright sword of will that cuts to the heart of the matter, bringing mere physical law to heel!"

Finally, getting an explanation on our power. I wonder how things would have changed if we'd picked Seven Seals? Seems like Rank is the weird sci-fi equivalent of conceptual power, the AT field to the Armament's Evangelion. Strange that distortion in the Astral has such serious effects in the real, what does that mean for Astral beings? Are there ancient creatures slumbering with Rank 10 or greater?

Really love that last bit, how she got so excited while explaining her field of work. Definitely something she's been rehearsing. Would've been amazing if we'd taken Prosselarch actually, he's an intellectual titan and her research could benefit a lot from his analytical skills. Maybe he'd have been the one taking her under his wing, seeing the master-apprentice dynamic from an outside perspective would've been really neat.

"...I get it. You didn't have to make a whole speech and everything, stupid."

Before her shocked expression could subside, he gently raised a hand.

"Just kidding. It was a wonderful explanation. Did you write that? It sounds like more than just a hobby to you."

Our boy hits her with the hot and spicy social jukes.

"Mm-hm!" She grunted, her face still red. She cleared her throat. "I'm hoping to present it at a Symposium one day. The Armaments have been with us for millennia, but we still don't understand all their secrets. Even most pilots only know the basics! You compress your Armament's Pressure into a Shroud and that makes you unstoppable within its radius. But recent studies have shown that even humans can develop a Rank! If we properly apply ourselves, we can go so much farther as a species, and even as individuals! It wouldn't much surprise me if your powers operated off a similar principle!"


Huh. Well, first of all we'd be a pretty valuable test subject for these guys, especially if we can teach them about Accretion. It's clear they don't know all that much about the powers they're toying with. The Shroud is pretty reminiscent of the Monarch. If Rank is the primary relevant factor in these fights and humans can only reach Rank 3 at most, we might actually have the highest personal power among all humans, other than other weirdo outlanders. It'll become a lot more certain once we've gotten a chance to progress for more than a few days.

God, I really want to timeskip once we reach civilization and gone through the initial negotiations. Less time to generate Arete, sure, but Unshattered was absolutely right when it said this fledgling stage was not where the hero belonged.

"A shadow in the Spirit realm, huh... Let's test it. It sounds like your society has developed quantified measurements for this attribute."

"Yup. Rank is usually measured from 1 to 10 in a hyper-logarithmic scale, though values above that should be possible. An Ereadhihr - an Armament - at full theoretical strength is Rank 10. No amount of physical force can so much as impair their actions! We've made some Armor Prototypes that manage to reach the middle ranks, enough to outclass conventional weapons in dogfighting or ground combat scenarios, though no number of them could even compete with an Armament. Individual humans typically have a Rank between 1 and 3, with anything above 2 being exceptionally rare."

Hmm. So the Monarch would be Rank 10 or above then? Since he'd hit the point in the power tier gradient where physical harm just becomes entirely irrelevant. From that perspective, I'm guessing we're currently a 4, Unshattered with be low Rank 5, the hero at full power a mid Rank 5 and the Tyrant approaching Rank 6. Of course, all would get put in the toilet by an giant robot but that's to be expected.

Puts things into perspective when it was said we might be able to equal the power of an Armament, though it would take a long time. Probably still can't step to Nameless though, Act As Truth is just too strong. Zang Kong would be a bad matchup too, even without the Sky Above the Sky. I'm glad to hear that the majority of mecha in this world are well within our reach on foot, that makes me feel a lot better about how we'll have to get into the giant robot.

Just gotta work on raising our Rank first.

"That fits my observations of your Armament as well. Its full potential is well beyond even that of my enemy at his height. Ereadhihr. The language of the Foremost?"


"That's right! You have good instincts for this sort of thing." She hummed happily. "Ereadhihr, the Elder Implement. They weren't just a weapon to the Foremost. The Foremost could harness them for countless tasks, bend realms both physical and Astral to their whims, apply the Interdict of Cognition that immunizes us from rampant intelligences, and so much more!"

The Interdict of Cognition? Given the context, I assume that's an Astral Law that prevents AI from hitting a singularity. Might something similar have prevented brain augmentation in Terrascape? Really interesting though, how would you create a law of nature that would even be able to distinguish an AI from random software? How would they even distinguish what qualifies as software and what's just random patterns?

Given how human beings possess a Rank, I suppose its clear that sentience has a natural influence on the Astral. Can we ask her what else possesses a Rank? Trees? Animals? Fish? That would illuminate a lot. Either way, the assumption that AI end up having souls would make this a lot easier to explain. Otherwise, if they're sophisticated enough to manage encoding the complexity of laws required to ID an AI, they'd have probably created a bunch more.

I want to learn more about these guys now. Hopefully we can go tomb raiding with the help of whatever organization she's working for.

He turned to glance at Verschlengorge. "Did they pull the ladder up behind them? Prevent anyone from making more?"

"Ah, no, we don't think they did anything like that. But... it's complicated. To create a true Armament, an entity with the potential to reach such elevated Rank, there's a special component involved. A sort of... Curse that's inextricable from its core essence. Verschlengorge has one as well, of course. It's called... the Affliction of the Decimator."

Mitigation, right? Gotta be Mitigation. We might be able to leverage this into aid from her civilization. If we can work with them to offload some of the transfinite power of our Curses, we'd have a lot of leverage in working together. Kinda regret not swapping out Champion for Tyrant, the purely transactional nature of the former would make this kind of thing a lot easier to manage. I suppose this is why our choice in Curses would change our point of insertion? We'd have been attracted to an entirely different Armament.

Makes Conclusion somewhat less attractive, our affinity for Vershlengorge is currently our best asset. Really don't know what to pick now, it'll depend heavily on just how much influence Letrizia actually has. She's really, really young though, can't be too much.

Now I'm really, really curious to see all the Armaments in existence.

[ ] Spill - There's no way this is a coincidence. The only question is, is this the work of the Accursed, or of the Apocryphal Curse? Whatever the case, you need answers. Tell Letrizia a reasonable amount about your own circumstances, the power you command and the Curses you bear. [+Letrizia]

[ ] Keep Your Own Counsel
- See if you can get more information out of her without disclosing anything about your particular circumstances. It's good to trust; better to trust after you hold all the cards. You've barely known her half a week. You can always tell her more when she proves herself a reliable ally. [+0.5 Arete]

I feel like Spill might open up a lot of powerful opportunities for us but Tyrant means their ability to control us is limited, which significantly reduces the likelihood of being offered any interesting opportunities. Perhaps if they assign Letrizia as our handler while Gisena joins her retinue? Just keep a steady flow of cash going our way and give us an objective. It's not like they have any real alternative honestly. Maybe we could just tell them the Doom is also a Curse of similar magnitude, having a novel sample to experiment on might make them decide its worth working around.

Though you intend to rest, fishing is serious business. How much should you exert yourself in catching the fish?

[ ] None - You'll conserve your energy. You are already wounded, no need to become winded as well.

[ ] Substantially - Show 'em how it's done. [+Letrizia, +Improved Nutrition, Tired Condition]

[ ] Of Fishermen, A King - The sharp bright sword of will that cuts to the heart of these waters and brings their mightiest bounty to heel! [+???, +Legendary Fish, +Gisena, -1 Arete or Exhausted condition]

Oh my god its actually happening, our first step to being an Astral Fisherman.

I'm torn. Normally, I'd go all in on maximum overdrive but we really should be saving to get Conclusion. Rihaku's been nice enough to delay the vote to see how much Arete we can end up with before the next update and we should take advantage of that, not waste it on uncertain gains.

P.S: 2436 words.
 
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We're wounded and draining life from the land, so the name's appropriate. Not a king yet (or whatever our title will be once we rule thousands of stars), but we're working on it! Early days, growth mindset, so on and so forth. With the Doom of the Tyrant we've already got a king-sized ego, though it still pales in comparison to Gisena.

Thinking more about the Geas, it's got to be awful for geopolitical stability. Some outside context problem traipses in with more baggage than all of Heathrow, proceeds to overturn the entire established social order and go on a conquering spree, then fucks off into the ether a decade later? Thank the Accursed for the grace period (probably literally), that way we can set things up to minimize the hopefully-metaphorical fallout. Or just grind in the Astral Realm to stay ahead of the Apocryphal Curse, that's a valid choice too.
There were no prey for Gisena's blast-fishing experiment in the river, but scarce hours later they encountered a picturesque lake, freshwater glittering in the sun and spanning very nearly to the horizon. Lilies bobbed across its expansive surface as birds and bugs circled lazily about, the halcyon chorus of life uninterrupted.

"Well, this is downright idyllic!" Gisena exclaimed, spinning around to face the water. She skipped happily down to the shore, humming as she went.
Well, now I feel guilty just for being here. At least it's temporarily sated? Conveniently, this setting's high tech enough to have a Zoom equivalent; ruling remotely's preferable to inflicting Decimation on our subordinates.
"It's downright suspicious." He followed, keeping his eyes peeled. They'd spoken of fishing, and a fishing spot appeared. It could be benign, the world yielding to his whims on this small matter - a faint echo of the causality-bending influence he'd once exerted by sheer power of spirit.
I'm with Hunger on this one, it's not paranoia if they're out to get you. If we can perceive no trap, that just means it's very cleverly hidden. Perhaps the absence of the trap is the trap, lulling us into complacency, lowering our guard in the wake of conflict so circumstances are more conducive to sharing. Maybe it's the Arete expenditure opportunity, trying to get us to exhaust ourselves before the next ambush. You can really dive into this paranoia, looking underneath the underneath ad infinitum, never reaching the bottom or a conclusion other than 'fuck the Apocryphal Curse'.
Long seconds passed. Nothing struck at them, from ambush or otherwise; he settled into a watchful wariness.

Letrizia had Verschlengorge extend a hand over the water, acting as a makeshift pier. He carved a rudimentary fishing rod from a branch and some wire, while Gisena tinkered with one of the Armament's dumb-fire munitions, its fuses safely set aside.
Verschlengorge's handy. This is another nice image, the Armament juxtaposed against arboreal splendor.
"You go first," he handed Letrizia the rod, and some processed meat for bait. "It's simple. Flick the rod to cast the line and wait."

"A-alright." Letrizia took the rod from him and cast the line with a determined expression. "How long does it usually take?"

"Depends," he shrugged. "Could be minutes, could be hours."
It's strange to have... hobbies? With a Curse loadout like this you'd think anything other than relentless training would be badly suboptimal, but that's a feature of the build. We can have quiet character moments and downtime not spent on power exploration. I do miss going full Ulyssian, though, Nameless had interesting scenes with his hands buried deep in the metaphorical guts of Thrice-Great's synergies, but apart from the Diagram he didn't enjoy development as an end in itself. Funny, to think he's our strongest protagonist by a country mile if you discount Odyssial. What a spoiled brat! To quote Aizen: "What a disappointment. Even after all that, there is no true desire for power in your heart."
"That long?" She asked petulantly. "Couldn't you hunt the fish with your physical power? You slew an Astral beast the size of a giant!"
Between Gisena's Secondhand Lions fishing techniques and this, they're just not getting it. Don't they know fishing's all about interminable boredom, slowly baking in the hot sun?
"I'd rather rest for a time," he replied, settling in. "That bandit leader was well-equipped and skilled. I exerted myself more than I'd like. The well of my power has thinned."

"Hmph," She tossed her hair primly. "So, we're to wait your pleasure while you rest? You could just as easily sleep while Verschlengorge is moving."
The hair toss is peak Asuka. Don't resist your destiny, Letrizia! And it's a valid point, but not necessarily in our best interests to reach the city as soon as possible. If we get Slumber of Aeons we can sleep in much more demanding scenarios, that 200x durability boost is sweet. If we stack constitution atop it, we could be a bludgeoning weapon while unconscious? Not dignified, but it's amusing to imagine.
"Yes, you're to wait," he said dryly. "And fish."

"A-ah."

They sat in silence for a bit.

"W-well, that's just totally unreasonable!" She finally said, turning to glare at him.

"I never told you I was going to be reasonable."

"That's true... Wait, I-I mean, you shouldn't have to tell people that! Reasonableness is the expected order of things!"

"Do as you like. I'm resting here."
Maybe it's just the intellect and charisma gains, but the Doom's been way more tolerable than anticipated. Hunger doesn't care about the 'expected order of things' but citing social mores doesn't cause him to fly off the handle either, which is nice. He's like a more assertive and experienced Seram. Whether this happy equilibrium can withstand civilization will be the true test.
"Mmh..." Letrizia slouched unhappily.

He chewed on a stalk of grass. "Hey. What do you think our chances of getting out of here are? Eight out of ten? Nine?"

"At least nine, I'd hope! Both you and Miss Gisena are strong... maybe ninety-five out of a hundred times we should escape? As long as we don't have too many encounters like today."

"I tend to attract trouble. So does this guy." He gestured towards the Armament with his head.

"Hmph! True enough. Maybe if you were a bit more reasonable, that wouldn't be the case."

"Fire me if you like. I'll retire and become a fisherman."
I hope he doesn't have the Apocryphal Curse as well, that sounds like bad news. Even if Letrizia's right and our odds are ninety-five out of a hundred, if we roll those dice enough times, if we keep putting ourselves in these situations, we will eventually be cut down by the unrelenting scythe of probability. But we can't choose otherwise. We can't retire and become a fisherman, not least because we'd kill all the fish. This is the path we've chosen. For better or worse, we have to walk it to its conclusion, no matter the odds, no matter the cost. Even if the tides of the universe gather to oppose us, we will show them a universe that can live free of tides.
She laughed. "I'd like to see that!"

"Point is, we don't know exactly what the future will bring, or if we're all going to make it. It's worthwhile to look around and enjoy this place every once in a while. Steal what joy you can."
Very wabi-sabi, accepting of impermanence. Not usually a mindset I can empathize with, but it somehow works in context, with knowledge of Hunger's history. These quiet moments with our companions are not something to be pared away, but also an inextricable part of life's rhythms, a source of strength.
Letrizia looked down, her expression conflicted. "You're right. You're right, of course, but..."

He closed his eyes, letting his instincts guide him. "You feel like you don't have time for that. That people are depending on you. That if you don't achieve what you've set out to achieve, it will all have been for nothing."

She gasped. "H-how did you-"

"I felt the same, once." He paused, thinking carefully.

"There was a magic in my second world. Hard to quantify or explain. As you accumulated power you could do impossible feats. My enemy was very skilled in it. He'd spent centuries upon centuries gathering strength. Fighting him was like fighting the tide. Endless setbacks every week. Whenever we failed, people died. Whenever we didn't act, people died. I fought him for eleven years. If we hadn't taken what moments we could, however brief, we would have lasted... maybe five or six. That final stretch, it was only the strength that I'd gained in those moments which kept me going."
The more we learn of Hunger's backstory, the worse it gets. The Tyrant was centuries old? And he killed him after a decade and change, before he even hit thirty. I don't want to say that's too easy, because it clearly wasn't. But... how? What was he doing during those years, if not world conquest? Longevity naturally leads to deeds, which leads to Accretion; the Tyrant should've been a narrative steamroller. Maybe the support of 'destiny's stewards' wasn't so irrelevant after all?
She blushed. "I-I get it. You d-didn't have to make a whole speech and everything."

"Stupid."

"What?"

"'You didn't have to make a whole speech and everything, stupid.' Say it properly. What is the nobility coming to these days?"

"You! Aaah... I was trying so hard not to be a stereotype! Is this how everyone sees me, even you and Miss Gisena? That stupid Old Terra show..."
The Voyager's Realm may not be Earth, but it exists in this universe. They say you can't go home again, but maybe Hunger can visit its counterpart? Also, apparently Letrizia's introductory pose was an intentional reference?
"I don't remember much. Bits and pieces. But you have to admit... the Armament. And you kind of look like her."

"Yeah. Neuron Genesis Cathedrelion, right? It's been a joke for almost as long as we've had the Armaments. I even got implants to change my hair..."
We all agree that Gisena must never be allowed to see NGE, right? For the sake of Letrizia's dignity as a Duchess? Her natural bants are bad enough, Accursed forbid she starts making references.
"What?" He sat up. "So you're a natural redhead as well?"

Her hair shimmered for a moment, then shifted to a shade of fiery red. "Y-yeah. I thought white was more professional and would break the association, but everyone was like, 'That's exactly what she'd do!'"
A cool little moment that reminds us of the tech level. Waist length hair seems impractical, but if she can control it with her implants that wouldn't be the case.
"Don't fight it. Embrace it. Then people will naturally see the areas where you're different."

"Oh? L-like what?"
Eager for praise from an authority figure because of self esteem issues, but afraid to show it for the same reason. Not to go all armchair psychologist, but ironically she's behaving like Asuka here.
"You're childish at times, but on balance I'd say you're much more level-headed and mature than she was. She always acted like she had something to prove. You're truly comfortable piloting Verschlengorge. You and he have a good connection. Though not as good as mine with my sword."
We haven't seen Letrizia make egregious tactical errors, she's just a bit of a tsundere in casual conversation, hardly a mortal sin. A nice bit of bonding, Hunger doesn't have to dig deep for compliments in her case.
"Well," She said quietly, failing to contain a smile. "I am five years older. Of course I'd be more mature!"
Assertions of maturity, another parallel! Now that it's been brought up IC I won't be able to stop seeing these.
He nodded, leaning back down again.

"Hey," She spoke up again. "That magic from your old world. It sounds a bit like the power of the Armaments. Have you ever heard of the concept of Astral Rank?"

"We didn't formally name it or anything. If you lived and did great things, you grew powerful. As your power grew, the world started to yield to you. First in small ways, then increasingly so."
Interesting that the magic systems share any commonalities. Is this the work of an enemy Stand the Apocryphal Curse? The Accursed himself? I'd wondered about what the terminology in Unshattered meant, but slotted it into the same mental category as Beyond Points, an abstraction meant to simplify things. This really makes me wonder, though, were we OOC guaranteed to get this world? Or were there dozens of places the Geas could've dropped us, and with our selection of Curses and magic we eventually zeroed in on this one?
"It's actually a field of study that I dabble in. A hobby of mine!"

She shifted to face him directly, tracing figures in the air with her index finger. "The most commonly used analogy is this. So, you know how objects within the physical realm have a property called mass?"

"Sure."

"Mass distorts physical space. Some say the curvature of that distortion is called gravity."

"Okay."

"Similarly, some entities have a property we call 'Rank.' Rank distorts the Astral realm as mass does the physical, and the curvature of that distortion is called 'Pressure.' By exerting Pressure, an Armament can accomplish great feats. It's an amazing ability! Rank gives you the power to achieve the conventionally impossible, to overturn the system of the world, to blast with awe and with fear, greatness undiluted like a blazing star! It cares nothing for stipulations or prognostications. It is the sharp bright sword of will that cuts to the heart of the matter, bringing mere physical law to heel!"
Letrizia's two for two on giving great exposition, that's a helpful analogy paired with evocative turns of phrase that sow seeds of passion in listeners. She should make more speeches like this! I already liked Accretion, but now I understand it better. Defensively, we benefit from something akin to the Scorn facet of the Ring of Majesty. It ignores power-levels by introducing an alternative type of power-level. Truly, it's turtles power-levels all the way down.
"...I get it. You didn't have to make a whole speech and everything, stupid."

Before her shocked expression could subside, he gently raised a hand.

"Just kidding. It was a wonderful explanation. Did you write that? It sounds like more than just a hobby to you."
Hey, no teasing Letrizia, Gisena has enough bully for the both of you.
"Mm-hm!" She grunted, her face still red. She cleared her throat. "I'm hoping to present it at a Symposium one day. The Armaments have been with us for millennia, but we still don't understand all their secrets. Even most pilots only know the basics! You compress your Armament's Pressure into a Shroud and that makes you unstoppable within its radius. But recent studies have shown that even humans can develop a Rank! If we properly apply ourselves, we can go so much farther as a species, and even as individuals! It wouldn't much surprise me if your powers operated off a similar principle!"
Huh, this means we're an interesting case that'll have scientific value to their governments even before we factor in Curses. That could end up being vivisection-tier bad, but it gives us more leverage to work with... and more ammo for the Apocryphal Curse, can't forget that.
"A shadow in the Spirit realm, huh... Let's test it. It sounds like your society has developed quantified measurements for this attribute."

"Yup. Rank is usually measured from 1 to 10 in a hyper-logarithmic scale, though values above that should be possible. An Ereadhihr - an Armament - at full theoretical strength is Rank 10. No amount of physical force can so much as impair their actions! We've made some Armor Prototypes that manage to reach the middle ranks, enough to outclass conventional weapons in dogfighting or ground combat scenarios, though no number of them could even compete with an Armament. Individual humans typically have a Rank between 1 and 3, with anything above 2 being exceptionally rare."
Rank, like Reiatsu back in Bleach Quest, is the godstat. More of it helps with everything; it doesn't enhance the user directly, but it's constrained in applicability only by the themes of the Ranker, a term I'm unabashedly stealing from Tower of God. Now that we know they have the tools to put numbers on this, we've gotta find out what our Rank is! If we don't know what the number is, how will we derive happiness from watching it go up?!
"That fits my observations of your Armament as well. Its full potential is well beyond even that of my enemy at his height. Ereadhihr. The language of the Foremost?"
Impressive, but we already knew that Verschlengorge was no laughing matter. Getting in the robot was called out as another Arete spending point, one reason I'd like to save our juice for a later date.
"That's right! You have good instincts for this sort of thing." She hummed happily. "Ereadhihr, the Elder Implement. They weren't just a weapon to the Foremost. The Foremost could harness them for countless tasks, bend realms both physical and Astral to their whims, apply the Interdict of Cognition that immunizes us from rampant intelligences, and so much more!"
The Ereadhihr are cleverly designed tools, tackling every problem from two angles: Rank, and being giant fucking robots with advanced weapons systems. Contests between beings of equal Rank are likely decided by physical might, so it makes sense to get the best substrate possible. It's the same synergy we were going for by adding Accretion to the power of Progression.

But moving on from that, the Interdict of Cognition? Hm... does that apply exclusively to strong AIs or would any visiting high-tier entities have to contend with it? Reminds me of what happened to those researchers on Terrascape's Earth after Enoch showed up. The obvious reading's that he did it, but eh. Correlation and causation. And then there was the thing with the Heart Replacement, where if you released Vitalist knowledge into the public domain the Grue ate you. How sure is Letrizia that this thing's local?
He turned to glance at Verschlengorge. "Did they pull the ladder up behind them? Prevent anyone from making more?"
Good question, Hunger, I'd love to know what happened to the Foremost too! Seems relevant; the phrasing here implies Letrizia's let slip that they weren't all killed? Maybe a Sublimation scenario or something? If the Ereadhihr were tools first and weapons second, the daemonic extinction theory'll have to be put on the backburner. A shame, I was proud of that one.
"Ah, no, we don't think they did anything like that. But... it's complicated. To create a true Armament, an entity with the potential to reach such elevated Rank, there's a special component involved. A sort of... Curse that's inextricable from its core essence. Verschlengorge has one as well, of course. It's called... the Affliction of the Decimator."
Talk about a wham line. I've already speculated a lot about what the Foremost were doing, whether they had an agreement with a Cursebearer or the Accursed himself. The Armaments don't seem like his style, not enough agency for the entities bearing the Curses. If we can look at a list of Armaments and the associated Curses, we could get a better idea of what we're dealing with. The greater the breadth of Afflictions and Dooms and Geases and whatnot, the stronger the individual in question.

It's amusing to consider an Armament getting slapped with Indenture and then the Foremost engineers complaining because an appreciable fraction of their GDP got isekai'd. Also, under no circumstances should Hunger get into an Armament bearing the Apocryphal Curse (if there are any surviving ones), not for love or money or anything less than a direct instruction from the Accursed. (When Odyssial tells you to get in the robot, you get in the robot.)

1704 words. This was a fun update to react to, ample fuel for the fires of our paranoia and speculation.
 
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Damn Gisena, how hard have you been hitting the books? If you weren't so gorgeous and charismatic, I'd call you a total fucking nerd. Seriously, she went from "wow guns are real neat" to "hold my beer and watch me dismantle this mortar". Sure, her nihilism plays a role but for Zia to not be freaking the fuck out, she must have displayed some serious knowledge.

She has superhuman wits and near-peak human intelligence, so her rate of learning is exceptionally quick! She was able to deduce something of the nature of your Curses just with her Grace's senses, after all!

That said, anime white hair being more professional? What the hell is with the fashion trends of this century? Or is that her just being completely and utterly out of touch as a noble? Good to hear that she's actually got people willing to talk smack about her; she's not completely isolated.

"Isn't white hair cold, imperious and distant? Noble too. That's what all I shows I watch tell me."

Huh. Well, first of all we'd be a pretty valuable test subject for these guys, especially if we can teach them about Accretion. It's clear they don't know all that much about the powers they're toying with. The Shroud is pretty reminiscent of the Monarch. If Rank is the primary relevant factor in these fights and humans can only reach Rank 3 at most, we might actually have the highest personal power among all humans, other than other weirdo outlanders. It'll become a lot more certain once we've gotten a chance to progress for more than a few days.

Well, they do have those mid-Rank Armor Prototypes... and whatever whacky abilities outlanders might bring to the table!

Hmm. So the Monarch would be Rank 10 or above then?

It doesn't work on the Rank system, but a Rank 10 would utterly stomp the Monarch. Challenging a competent Rank 10 in direct combat would probably require access to at least the... 20th Ordinal or so.

Makes Conclusion somewhat less attractive, our affinity for Vershlengorge is currently our best asset. Really don't know what to pick now, it'll depend heavily on just how much influence Letrizia actually has. She's really, really young though, can't be too much.

She's past her age of majority and has access to the privileges of her title plus personal wealth. Plus, it's not like just anyone can pilot Verschlengorge!
 
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Looking back, I'm curious how that high medieval city state is able to function or even arose in the first place. Even if they face drastically less monster attacks do they not get lost when going out to their fields? Does the space warping function more like you can travel freely in one tile but then you get a semi-random result when crossing to another? Did they get picked up wholesale as well or what?

"Isn't white hair cold, imperious and distant? Noble too. That's what all I shows I watch tell me."

I'm wondering now if she was basically a puppet duchess raised from birth as a sacrificial pilot. her knowledge base seems pretty odd. Based on Catherine it seems like being pureblood might have some advantages that could help with things like that.

She's past her age of majority and has access to the privileges of her title plus personal wealth. Plus, it's not like just anyone can pilot Verschlengorge!

This seems to indicate against that though, who knows how her upbringing worked then. Maybe she was incredibly powerful from birth and could just learn whatever she felt was best without anyone to gainsay her?
 
Rank, like Reiatsu back in Bleach Quest, is the godstat. More of it helps with everything; it doesn't enhance the user directly, but it's constrained in applicability only by the themes of the Ranker, a term I'm unabashedly stealing from Tower of God. Now that we know they have the tools to put numbers on this, we've gotta find out what our Rank is! If we don't know what the number is, how will we derive happiness from watching it go up?!

Indeed. But worry not. You'll find out quite soon!

Too bad you guys didn't take Unshattered.

Impressive, but we already knew that Verschlengorge was no laughing matter. Getting in the robot was called out as another Arete spending point, one reason I'd like to save our juice for a later date.

Mm. I'll note that you don't necessarily have to pilot Verschlengorge to benefit from its Curse-related... attributes. Though of course the compound synergy of Accretion with Verschlengorge itself would be interesting to discover. Would its overwhelming Rank render yours effectively superfluous, or would there be a beneficial dynamic there?

Looking back, I'm curious how that high medieval city state is able to function or even arose in the first place. Even if they face drastically less monster attacks do they not get lost when going out to their fields? Does the space warping function more like you can travel freely in one tile but then you get a semi-random result when crossing to another? Did they get picked up wholesale as well or what?

An interesting question that Hunger was rather unconcerned with! It seems like the scale of locales that shift are probably greater than "a city-state and its environs," though. Like a massive 4-D jigsaw puzzle with pieces of varying size rather than churning pandemonium.
 
"Isn't white hair cold, imperious and distant? Noble too. That's what all I shows I watch tell me."
Ah, yes, the Dragon technique of sourcing your social skills through cultural dumpster diving. 'Alice' would approve!
Too bad you guys didn't take Unshattered.
Yeah, it'd be nice to have as much power as possible for our introduction to the Human Sphere. But in the long run it was the wiser choice, we can get catharsis from other sources.

Hm... build-wise we really should save up, but realistically we're not going to vote to bank all our Arete. Slumber + either of Thief/Undying wouldn't be bad? Thief reducing the incidence of mage options is unfortunate and makes it less attractive, though FOMO keeps it in the running. Slumber's the most efficient two-Arete purchase, it'll pay for itself eventually, so it should be a staple of any 4-Arete build. If we're a fan of spending all 7, put me down for the Evening Sky. It's cool, it'll save our life at some point, and we can make Zang references.
 
The next vote will be at 7 PM EST. Arete calculation will also close then. Since we've gotten some new fanworks, you guys are closer to 7 than 6, though I imagine there's not enough time to crank out any more so we're dependent solely on discussion from here on out.

I would like you guys to come to a consensus (or state your opinions) on the 4-6 points Arete builds on the previous page; I'll only include 1 or at most 2 of them, so please decide which you'd rather keep in the running. The Spill vs Keep Counsel vote will also close at that point; you could get to 7 Arete by Keeping your own Counsel!
 
I'd rather the Slumber of Aeons + Echo of the low CP builds. It has a fun option for growth, a decent amount of initial power, security for its sleep benefits. Over all however, those are all secondary to thematics for me. King of Thieves really hits an aesthetic and theme that I'd really rather not be running, being a super thief just doesn't interest me. Even worse however, being a super thief seems to run counter to becoming a legitimate ruler which we have to do, and it impairs our ability to develop other themes like the hinted at Magus builds.

For convenience, quoting the build in question.

3) Echo of the Forebear + Undying Echo + Slumber of Aeons

*Doesn't reduce incidence of "mage"-type options like King of Thieves will
*Giga sleep tank
*Extreme +Strength and +Constitution in the long term
*Banking sleep allows for increased utility during crunch times
*Can sleep more to ramp out stat gains even faster
*Can also add Quelling and Of Fishermen, A King to get the benefits of the Legendary Fish and Mystery Box
 
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The legendary fish is reminding me of that Irish fable where the kid eats a salmon and gains knowledge. That seems a bit outside the scope of what Accretion really does though (Maybe if we had a fishing rod in our panoply) so I'm honestly not sure what the fish could do if it's not just a joke.
 
Of the 2-Arete builds: Fell-Handed Stroke + Sleep of the Just/Slumber of Aeons.
Of the 4-Arete builds: Echo of the Forebear/Undying Echo + Sleep of the Just/Slumber of Aeons.
Of the 7-Arete builds: Evening Sky + Echo of the Forebear (with a side order of salt for burning through our reserves).

We can't take King of Thieves alongside both Slumber and Fell-Handed Stroke, sadly. Not enough slots for it. Which means no ganking people from stealth with our ultimate unless we sacrifice our increased scaling/banking sleep for freedom of action. The Ulyssian-in-Seacrown vibes are strong, but we invested in an alternative scaling mechanism to supplement growth through combat, so we should build on that foundation.

Four Arete's my preference, so we'll have enough to get the bloody fish without going into debt if that wins. If we wind up being a Ranker and a Fisherman, I can't promise I'll ever be able to stop making Tower of God references, guys.
 
So, after thinking on it, there's two plans for Arete spending I think are best.

The first is Conclusion+Keep Your Own Council. Conclusion gets the Affliction off the table for a while, which makes it less urgent that we get what info Letrizia has on that curse. Keep also gets us closer to being out of Arete debt. Probably go for no effort fishing as well. This is a low-risk plan that minimizes the Decimator Affliction and Arete debt.

The next is Undying Echo+Slumber of Eons+Spill+King of Fishing. This is for all the Fishing King fans, gets us that mystery box and doesn't even go into Arete debt. Slumber of Eons gets us long term growth, Undying Echo and not being in debt/exhausted gives us better short term survival chances. Since we're not going into Arete debt we don't need Keep Your Own Council, and we don't have conclusion so getting maximum info on the Decimator is important. This build can also go into Arete debt to get Quelling, possible alongside Keep your own council.

I really like Evening Sky, but I don't think it's as good as the above two builds, it has anti-synergy in that it doesn't get us either Decimator mitigation, pushing us towards Spill, but also puts us into Arete debt, pushing us towards Keep your own council. I'm still going to try to push for it because it gets us protection, social, and it can get further abilities with progression. It's essentially a potential-focused Further Beyond, which is great for us long-term, while also not skimping on immediate survival. The anti-synergy with the Keep/Spill choice split is a price, but I think it's an ok one.
 
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Apocryphal curse meaning we'll never just be able to sit back and relax while racking up age gains, along with the way they degrade pretty rapidly in regards to timescale per plus make me not very optimistic on it being that relevant for us. Seems like we'll have to keep investing more and more into that trait line to keep it pertinent which I'm not particularly excited about.

So I basically view the main benefit as the latitude stocking hours gives us, which is quite good right now. If the well rested benefits are a fixed amount rather than relative to us though then that also falls off over time.
 
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Sign me up for Forebear/Undying Echo + Sleep of the Just/Slumber of Aeons. Not interested in King of thieves builds.

The increased constitution should help us in healing faster and make us more effective despite the injury.
 
Yeah, Undying's constitution sounds like something that'd make the tired and exhausted condition less debilitating or shorter? If we want to absorb additional risk and aren't in Arete debt, we could take the condition instead of the hit to our reserves and sleep a lot afterward. But I'm not sure that's a good idea, even in the wake of an Apocryphal proc.

Also not sure what to pair Evening Sky with, baseline Fell-Handed is great but it seems a shame to not take A Thousand Cuts if we're getting that and spending 7 Arete anyway. Vanilla Echo's fine too, I guess, Sleep of the Just alone's just not worth it.
 
[X] Spill
[X] Substantially

Spill is, I think, absolutely the right decision. This is a civilization that knows about the Affliction of the Decimator - the chances of being able to hide that we're the source of the life drain were already low given how advanced they are, but with them knowing exactly what to watch for they drop to essentially zero.

That being the case, it's basically our choice of how we get introduced to the world, and I really doubt we can do better than having Letrizia vouch for us - not with Tyrant making cooperation already difficult, and Apocryphal tipping the scales still further.

Of course, this will probably lead to unsavory government elements wanting to dissect us or something because the Apocryphal Curse is a jerk like that, but overall we'd still almost certainly be in a better position.
 
I think the potential benefits of spilling greatly exceeds both the risks and the 0.5 Arete bonus provided by keeping our own council. I also don't think it really make sense to go for the legendary fish. It spends 1 Arete on something which we don't even know to be a good thing, at all. It also simply make more sense, given Hunger current state and the current situation, for him not to waste his energy on fishing of all thing and simply rest. Hunger doesn't even know there's such a thing as a legendary fish to find here, in the first place!

[X] Spill
[X] None
 
Well, performing a legendary feat of some kind is one of the more reliable ways to raise Accretion Rank...

Note that most Accretion Rank gains will be fractional, especially as you approach the higher tiers. Kind of like EFB Stages but without flat stage buffs.
 
Like I said before, I prefer builds without King of Thieves as our magic system makes its impact on our archetype too much for my liking. Among the builds without KoT I prefer Undying + Just + Slumber. After that any option with Just + Slumber is fine for me.

This is of course if we can't get the Conclusion, if we can get Conclusion I will vote for it foremost.
 
Personally, I would vote for echo of the forebearer+a thousand cuts. Enough power to deal with most enemies in the short term.

Decimation mitigation is nice, bur Rihaku's previous arguments makes me think that such an big amount of arete towards something that won't help us in combat is risky.

I would argue against evening sky due to the fact we already grabbed +charisma before over raw power, and while protection is nice, power enough to hit above our weight class is worth it's own weight in gold, especially since it can be leveraged to gain even more choices in the future.

Plus, it gives us blade-projection. That's cool.
 
I agree with Undying Slumber as our 4 Arete option. I really liked King of Thieves but I'd rather keep our powers to as coherent of a theme as possible. I've been working on a unifying omake for the Slumber options and Evening Sky that I think would work pretty well.

[X] Spill
[X] Substantially

Letrizia is our best chance at gaining the cooperation from the government so we should work to maximize our relationship gains with her. Her support will help us interact with her civilization far more than two extra pluses in Charisma could since she's quite an influential person. Considering that's the case, we should Spill immediately. A show of trust is probably the best way to improve a relationship and this is quite a heavy thing to trust someone with. If she vouches for us, we'll be able to cooperate with the organization she works for in studying our Curses and perhaps working to Mitigate them. If we lose her trust, that ups the chances of us ending up on the vivisection table significantly.

This being the case, we'd better work on that bond as much as we possibly can in the time that we have remaining away from society. If we finagle our way into piloting Vershlengorge, we'll rack up legendary deeds at a prodigious rate so I'm going to prioritise the Letrizia plus on that vote too.
 
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