Look, I just want bitching darkness armor. Is that really too much to ask?
Of course, but it does help with after the fight increased risk stuff.
A Simple Transaction I
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Rihaku
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OctarineShrike
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Looks like it unless my case gave ludicrous amounts of argument weight or something. Tally incoming.
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It'd be easier to argue for Prudence if we knew what sweet shinies Arete can give us, if any. Right now the option is basically to content ourselves with survival, but most people want to gain stuff. Shit, I want to get stuff. Power will be crucial in the days ahead, so I might still switch back before this done.
What the Apocrypha expects? It's for us to fight this guy. He's practically got a Hero-specialized Brand of the Wretched stamped on his forehead, so combined with their actions against the Hero it doesn't take a genius to predict a likely outcome.
Does that mean it has no plans for if we avoid this fight? Of course not. The Apocrypha isn't here to teach us anything or take us on a profound mental journey to discover that the key was inside us all along. It's here to f*ck up our day by making things 'interesting' in the worst sense possible.
And this guy? I mean, just look at him. What is he if not a budding nemesis? Sure we could let him go, but I bet this won't be the end of it and next time he comes back (because of course he'll come back) he'll be better prepared, either by calling other pirate buddies, setting a worse trap, or just finding unlikely power-ups.
So yes, I think it's for the best if we nip this in the bud. We might be a Tyrant now, but let's take the best lessons from our former foe, not the worst. And that means just killing your enemies when you have the opportunity instead of giving them chances to grow,
Does that mean it has no plans for if we avoid this fight? Of course not. The Apocrypha isn't here to teach us anything or take us on a profound mental journey to discover that the key was inside us all along. It's here to f*ck up our day by making things 'interesting' in the worst sense possible.
And this guy? I mean, just look at him. What is he if not a budding nemesis? Sure we could let him go, but I bet this won't be the end of it and next time he comes back (because of course he'll come back) he'll be better prepared, either by calling other pirate buddies, setting a worse trap, or just finding unlikely power-ups.
So yes, I think it's for the best if we nip this in the bud. We might be a Tyrant now, but let's take the best lessons from our former foe, not the worst. And that means just killing your enemies when you have the opportunity instead of giving them chances to grow,
Rihaku
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Well, there are usually around 50-60 voters, so we'll see how it goes when everyone has a chance to weigh in. Hopefully I won't have to delay the update.
The question isn't what the Apocryphal Curse plans - I doubt it has any, I doubt it needs them - but whether you should take the bait. Because that's what this is, whether there's a hook underneath or not.
DkArthas
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The reason why I want to kill him is pretty simply. Our dude was an Hero, it would be good for him to act like that once again at this point. The rest of the stuff is just bonus. Perhaps, it's also partially an reaction to that Heartlessness + mental contamination, I don't want him to be too wiling to make compromises when they aren't necessary.
I said it like that to avoid going into metaphysical discussions of how exactly the Apocrypha does things. Saying it's simple bait is not quite appropriate, because that implies simply avoiding that evades the Apocryphal Curse.
Rihaku
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Is he really that significant, though!? His crew, while not scrub tier, are certainly well below you in terms of power and skill. Just because he's got some cool looking armor doesn't mean he's a destined hero! If anything, it would preclude that since he's almost more edgy than you!
he might actually be edgier given that armor and his violet-flame sword and shadow-hauberk crew...
Perhaps. Or perhaps the bait is inside the hero's mind, in more ways than one!
You guys don't yet have much experience with how the Apocryphal Curse acts, so it's definitely hard to say for sure. But the general principles hold, more or less - mitigate what you can, acquire enough power to deal with the rest.
What is this discrimination? Can't people be destined villains too?!
Nah, that's why they give you a
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Whether No Quarter wins or not, I definitely want Power now. Attacking with preparation is literally what this build is best at, we want as much power as possible when we arrive at the city, and it continues on the plot thread of Ver's affinity with us. No mitigation is harsh, however. So I kind of want to change...
[X] No Quarter
[X] Power
Man, I'm being a useless flip-flopper today, aren't I?
Yeah, taking the risky option here might be Apocryphal bait; but leaving things psychologically unresolved when it comes to the Tyrant can be dangerous too; so really, pick your poison. No Quarter gives us some Curse mitigation that we don't get from Power; and would let us scale faster by letting us face stronger opponents when we seek them out. Meanwhile, Power can make us even more safe when we arrive in town and follows up on the mech pilot plot thread.
This is the riskiest vote combination, but the rewards are commensurate. If the Hero can't stop us from making stupid decisions, at least he can execute them in a smart way.
[X] No Quarter
[X] Power
Man, I'm being a useless flip-flopper today, aren't I?
Yeah, taking the risky option here might be Apocryphal bait; but leaving things psychologically unresolved when it comes to the Tyrant can be dangerous too; so really, pick your poison. No Quarter gives us some Curse mitigation that we don't get from Power; and would let us scale faster by letting us face stronger opponents when we seek them out. Meanwhile, Power can make us even more safe when we arrive in town and follows up on the mech pilot plot thread.
This is the riskiest vote combination, but the rewards are commensurate. If the Hero can't stop us from making stupid decisions, at least he can execute them in a smart way.
KidFromPallet
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[X] No Quarter
[X] Power
We voted for the training method that requires us to get in difficult fights to improve, and we eschewed the Praxis in exchange for the short-term power offered by Scepter, so lets get into a difficult fight that'll allow us to leverage our short term power into long term growth.
[X] Power
We voted for the training method that requires us to get in difficult fights to improve, and we eschewed the Praxis in exchange for the short-term power offered by Scepter, so lets get into a difficult fight that'll allow us to leverage our short term power into long term growth.
OctarineShrike
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We also got a sleep-progression system for those circumstances where Hunger isn't worthwhile but didn't bother sleeping more than 9 hours a day to get the minimum level of benefit. We can't exactly sleep more than 9 hours at this point but we are already precommitted to options that get us some long term returns.
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Don't you see, we're achieving balance by taking opposite actions each vote!
[X] Prudence Dictates
[X] Knowledge
Think this plays to the Praetor's strengths.
Rihaku
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If either No Quarter (w/ sufficient tactics - remember, tactics for this fight must receive support to have a chance at inclusion, aside from those tactics generated by the hero himself) or Commune With Verschlengorge win, you'll get an opportunity to see what Arete can buy, and will probably deeply regret not having more!
So yeah, No Quarter. There is a lot to this choice; we make sure that pirates are stopped for good, we get Hunger proc, we get Curse mitigation(which saves billions in long term) and we may even get some loot(remember that we need to get artifact tier armor for our panoply?) which could include some healing or stuff we can sell or trade.
Still, danger is there. Not only for us too, as Gisena is fighting her own battle, so we need to finish our fight as soon as possible to reinforce her, adding another dimension to our trouble. There is a real chance we will take a wound of process, with decent chance that Hunger proc won't conveniently grant us regeneration.
That's why we take Power with No Quarter. Even if we take a wound, we can pilot the macha with some efficiency. Likewise, Mecha itself will serve to protect us from risks created by taking No Quarter.
As for tactics, so far the most popular one seems using the deck to our advantage, by having our opponent drop his foot through the floor and lose his balance. One thing we could try is tying the rope around him, throwing the other side to Verse and then having mecha yeet us to it.
Still, danger is there. Not only for us too, as Gisena is fighting her own battle, so we need to finish our fight as soon as possible to reinforce her, adding another dimension to our trouble. There is a real chance we will take a wound of process, with decent chance that Hunger proc won't conveniently grant us regeneration.
That's why we take Power with No Quarter. Even if we take a wound, we can pilot the macha with some efficiency. Likewise, Mecha itself will serve to protect us from risks created by taking No Quarter.
As for tactics, so far the most popular one seems using the deck to our advantage, by having our opponent drop his foot through the floor and lose his balance. One thing we could try is tying the rope around him, throwing the other side to Verse and then having mecha yeet us to it.
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- The savanna.
[X] No Quarter
[X] Knowledge
Could go for power, but it's not gonna help with the fight and we'll get something out of winning anyway. I'd rather see what's up than jump in the mech blind, Ritz'll be able to give us some info about how it works. Plus, Knowledge cuts both ways, we tell Gisena about the Curses and she can start thinking about the problem.
[X] Knowledge
Could go for power, but it's not gonna help with the fight and we'll get something out of winning anyway. I'd rather see what's up than jump in the mech blind, Ritz'll be able to give us some info about how it works. Plus, Knowledge cuts both ways, we tell Gisena about the Curses and she can start thinking about the problem.
So, tactics to avoid looking like too much of an idiot when Letty scolds us later. Gisena would surely support us fully, this is why she's second-best girl.
What do we know about him?
So to sum it up:
1. Very heavy armor and a shield.
2. Some sort of darkness powers (blinding? corrosive defense? supernatural evasion?)
3. Big honking flaming sword. Violet flames, because this chuuni train has no breaks.
4. Being a pirate with a pirate ship, he presumably has some way to deal with water.
- Maybe he can just walk on it, though likely not for long if he isn't the trick on the ship
- or the armor helps with swimming and gives him water breathing;
- combined with the darkness, a water fight could turn out quite long and unfavorable
5. Bears some superficial similarities to the Tyrant, though it's unclear how much we can rely on that. Probably not at all.
6. From the looks of his crew, some of his power affects them, though not enough to seriously inconvenience us.
What options do we have?
2. Ruin affects the ship, so we have authority over what is and isn't reliable footing.
3. We have some ranged options, be it the two discharged ballista bolts, broken debris from the ship, or the crewmen themselves. The last may be going a bit overboard though.
4. We can grab those grappling ropes, the curiously resilient bowstring, and had already grabbed that grappling hook. We can likely briefly restrict his motion or even turn this into a 3D fight if we break the floor, which would be even more in our favor.
5. Our most dangerous weapon - our tongue! Shut up, Gisena. We should try to find psychological weaknesses and strike at them. Not much to go on right now, but he's already engaged in banter, so we can take advantage of that to draw out more information.
Also, I thought I'd calm down in the morning, but the call of Red has become even stronger.
[X] No Quarter
[X] Power
What do we know about him?
So to sum it up:
1. Very heavy armor and a shield.
2. Some sort of darkness powers (blinding? corrosive defense? supernatural evasion?)
3. Big honking flaming sword. Violet flames, because this chuuni train has no breaks.
4. Being a pirate with a pirate ship, he presumably has some way to deal with water.
- Maybe he can just walk on it, though likely not for long if he isn't the trick on the ship
- or the armor helps with swimming and gives him water breathing;
- combined with the darkness, a water fight could turn out quite long and unfavorable
5. Bears some superficial similarities to the Tyrant, though it's unclear how much we can rely on that. Probably not at all.
6. From the looks of his crew, some of his power affects them, though not enough to seriously inconvenience us.
What options do we have?
1. The Hero has greater speed and mobility. We've got the initiative in this fight, both because we're faster and because he doesn't want us to destroy his ship, which we've shown ourselves perfectly capable of and willing to do.
2. Ruin affects the ship, so we have authority over what is and isn't reliable footing.
3. We have some ranged options, be it the two discharged ballista bolts, broken debris from the ship, or the crewmen themselves. The last may be going a bit overboard though.
4. We can grab those grappling ropes, the curiously resilient bowstring, and had already grabbed that grappling hook. We can likely briefly restrict his motion or even turn this into a 3D fight if we break the floor, which would be even more in our favor.
5. Our most dangerous weapon - our tongue! Shut up, Gisena. We should try to find psychological weaknesses and strike at them. Not much to go on right now, but he's already engaged in banter, so we can take advantage of that to draw out more information.
Also, I thought I'd calm down in the morning, but the call of Red has become even stronger.
[X] No Quarter
[X] Power
Rihaku
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The most legible way to indicate support would probably be to:
1) quote the tactic(s) you are supporting
2) mention in bold that you are supporting them and
3) include any commentary on said tactics.
Remember, I have to review the thread for these things and usually don't have time to go in depth, so visibility and ease of communication are key!
You did pass it up the last time... the price of greed!
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Considering the fact that the Armament is long lost Foremost tech; not sure about how much Letrizia can tell us, or how accurate any information she tells us would be. The best way to learn would be form the mouth of the mech itself, so to speak.
The following were all the explicit tactics posts I found. Can we trust the Hero to distinguish between what is feasible or not or will he try to perform any tactic as long as we support it, not matter how impractical?
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