A Simple Transaction I
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OctarineShrike
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I don't think I have any lines of thought left to explore here any more. I'm indecisive between Force Unto and Nightmare Praetor given that the balance route seems to be losing. @runeblue360 @Savonarola vote as you wish. You have fulfilled your end of the bargain and can call on me in future votes at leisure. My vote is going up for sale for 1 marker, with 1 veto, since I have a suspicion I'm going to need one in the future(Edit: A marker to call in, to clarify).
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
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Nah, I promised my vote to you and I'll go down with the ship if it's all the same to you. You can count on my support for whatever your second choice is.
OctarineShrike
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Very well, given 30 minutes and the absence of anybody looking to take me up on my offer of selling my vote, let's do this with a dice roll. 1 for Nightmare Praetor, 2 for Force Unto. Dice roll incoming.
[x]Force Unto
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[X] Force Unto
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
[X] Auspicious Vanguard
This is basically what I was voting for before anyway, but now with added bonus to surviving dangerous situations!
This is basically what I was voting for before anyway, but now with added bonus to surviving dangerous situations!
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- Pindorama
I must say, voting seems to have become quite a political endeavor.
To make a proactive argument to my vote instead of getting bogged down:
Improved decision-making should be all the argument that's needed really, considering how the biggest weakness of our characters is that they are controlled by us twats. I mean, I myself led the charge for a vote combination many considered suicidal, so trust me when I say I'm speaking from experience. Remember when we almost died fighting Romulus just because he insulted our pride? Remember when we took Destroyer Halo in AST despite the fact we were going to make our case to the Sorceress Council and ignored repeated opportunities to vote for builds that actually mitigated our Brand of the Wretched? I won't even speak about Arthur, some people are salty about every single decision he took.
So fittingly, the option that has been noted as highly risky is winning against the option that improves our decision-making. As I said, considering my actions early in the quest, I should hardly be surprised. But I though Scepter won so we could mitigate risk...?
Please everyone, let's save the Hero from ourselves.
If you are worried about irreversibly becoming some Tyrant, don't be; the option is explicitly noted to be the one most suited to rule. Given the Hero's political inexperience in this field, it's possible that fumbling about in early attempts could do far more damage to our image and even our morality. It's best to gain competence now so we don't pay for it in the future.
In terms of combat, the build is still incredibly powerful; being more intelligent naturally makes us more dangerous, and Repose still buffs our raw power by a significant degree. Preparation makes us even more dangerous, especially when we account for the powerful support that is Nullity.
We get immortality and don't need to search for it.
Finally, we get along the most with Gisena; I have observed you all seem to like her, and a better relationship naturally leads to better teamwork in all areas, be it in combat, social endeavors and even research and exploration in this new realm. We will be able to actually contribute with her work with our increased intelligence.
Force unto is just incredibly linear in comparison; good at fighting and killing, but not anything that comes before and after. It would be even worse had it had no charisma, so we will still be more socially competent, just less so than Praetor and we wouldn't have the intelligence to back that up.
But mostly, save him from ourselves. The poor boy has already suffered enough.
To make a proactive argument to my vote instead of getting bogged down:
Improved decision-making should be all the argument that's needed really, considering how the biggest weakness of our characters is that they are controlled by us twats. I mean, I myself led the charge for a vote combination many considered suicidal, so trust me when I say I'm speaking from experience. Remember when we almost died fighting Romulus just because he insulted our pride? Remember when we took Destroyer Halo in AST despite the fact we were going to make our case to the Sorceress Council and ignored repeated opportunities to vote for builds that actually mitigated our Brand of the Wretched? I won't even speak about Arthur, some people are salty about every single decision he took.
So fittingly, the option that has been noted as highly risky is winning against the option that improves our decision-making. As I said, considering my actions early in the quest, I should hardly be surprised. But I though Scepter won so we could mitigate risk...?
Please everyone, let's save the Hero from ourselves.
If you are worried about irreversibly becoming some Tyrant, don't be; the option is explicitly noted to be the one most suited to rule. Given the Hero's political inexperience in this field, it's possible that fumbling about in early attempts could do far more damage to our image and even our morality. It's best to gain competence now so we don't pay for it in the future.
In terms of combat, the build is still incredibly powerful; being more intelligent naturally makes us more dangerous, and Repose still buffs our raw power by a significant degree. Preparation makes us even more dangerous, especially when we account for the powerful support that is Nullity.
We get immortality and don't need to search for it.
Finally, we get along the most with Gisena; I have observed you all seem to like her, and a better relationship naturally leads to better teamwork in all areas, be it in combat, social endeavors and even research and exploration in this new realm. We will be able to actually contribute with her work with our increased intelligence.
Force unto is just incredibly linear in comparison; good at fighting and killing, but not anything that comes before and after. It would be even worse had it had no charisma, so we will still be more socially competent, just less so than Praetor and we wouldn't have the intelligence to back that up.
But mostly, save him from ourselves. The poor boy has already suffered enough.
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OctarineShrike
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*sighs*
[X] Nightmare Praetor
[X] Nightmare Praetor
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- Pindorama
The experience of rulership is going to change our character matter what. Let's at least have some assurance against cocking things up. Has his own backstory shows that ruthlessness is sometimes quite necessary in playing the political game.
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Alright, so Unshattered went the way of the Muscle Wizard. It's Arthur's fault, isn't it? A lot of things that happen in these quests are his fault, I'm sure people from his world would agree.
So be it. Though that leaves me at a loss as to what to pick in lieu of skipping the early game. Auspicious Vanguard feels too passive, the Force Unto too one-dimensional (what if the aliens suddenly decide on an armistice?!), Nightmare Pretor the agglomeration of everything a dark lord needs to do a final Didn't See That Coming.
It's pick your poison day, seems like. Or maybe that's what all our days are going to be like in the future thanks to Apocrypha.
So be it.
[X] Nightmare Praetor
You thought the Master of Circumstance is dead, subsumed under the unstoppable tide of slothfulness and lichdom. But now he's back, better, stronger, faster than before, ready to go Just As Planned at any moment when you least expect it!
It also improves our decision-making ability, which, yeah...
So be it. Though that leaves me at a loss as to what to pick in lieu of skipping the early game. Auspicious Vanguard feels too passive, the Force Unto too one-dimensional (what if the aliens suddenly decide on an armistice?!), Nightmare Pretor the agglomeration of everything a dark lord needs to do a final Didn't See That Coming.
It's pick your poison day, seems like. Or maybe that's what all our days are going to be like in the future thanks to Apocrypha.
So be it.
[X] Nightmare Praetor
You thought the Master of Circumstance is dead, subsumed under the unstoppable tide of slothfulness and lichdom. But now he's back, better, stronger, faster than before, ready to go Just As Planned at any moment when you least expect it!
It also improves our decision-making ability, which, yeah...
Rihaku
The Internet
Current vote count?
Hm. Given that we still have the day before us, maybe now is a good time to try the approval voting experiment again. Everyone may vote for two options without dilution.
What's life without a little conflict? Auspicious Vanguard is so good at staying alive, a temporary setback with one companion is a small price indeed to pay for its numerous benefits! The most important of which is probably the tactical and strategic flexibility to adopt whichever one of many unique angles of attack is most appropriate for a given foe. Who knows, maybe acting more Tsun will but deepen your relationship with Gisena in the long run!
It is pretty great. Even if you don't use the full Tide of Nullity, Gisena can be a lot less careful with it in battle, since grazing you is no longer as crippling of a debuff.
What a great bargain!
Arthur honestly wasn't that bad. I was just re-reading Terrascape and he's somewhat unfairly flanderized given the context. There was a large percentage of voters who supported Imperia, but she actually was way nicer to him than almost anyone and there were many benefits to their relationship on a practical level. A first-year given the privileges and powers of a general right off the bat! Isn't it more correct to say she did as a good leader ought and earned the loyalty of her constituency? Plus she had some great lines. He probably would have gotten less heat if the leader of Governance had been an almost purely mentor-like figure in Baenlixnaire's mold because then the Governance voting bloc wouldn't be able to be tarred with the broad brush of waifuism.
B, but that's time you won't be able to spend sleeping! You've lost the vigor of your youth you know, gotta make it up with the vigor of an ELDER BEAST!
Mm, I wouldn't say it's purely linear. Having high physical parameters can help out a lot in various matters like reconstruction, delivery, fetch quests and so on. It's also not terribly linear in combat, just look at the variety of tactics our hero already displayed in the two fights he's participated in! Most fights at this level are about manipulation of physicality with the studied use of a few trump cards or special rules so having a great baseline and consistent sustain are very nice.
Hm. Given that we still have the day before us, maybe now is a good time to try the approval voting experiment again. Everyone may vote for two options without dilution.
What's life without a little conflict? Auspicious Vanguard is so good at staying alive, a temporary setback with one companion is a small price indeed to pay for its numerous benefits! The most important of which is probably the tactical and strategic flexibility to adopt whichever one of many unique angles of attack is most appropriate for a given foe. Who knows, maybe acting more Tsun will but deepen your relationship with Gisena in the long run!
It is pretty great. Even if you don't use the full Tide of Nullity, Gisena can be a lot less careful with it in battle, since grazing you is no longer as crippling of a debuff.
What a great bargain!
Arthur honestly wasn't that bad. I was just re-reading Terrascape and he's somewhat unfairly flanderized given the context. There was a large percentage of voters who supported Imperia, but she actually was way nicer to him than almost anyone and there were many benefits to their relationship on a practical level. A first-year given the privileges and powers of a general right off the bat! Isn't it more correct to say she did as a good leader ought and earned the loyalty of her constituency? Plus she had some great lines. He probably would have gotten less heat if the leader of Governance had been an almost purely mentor-like figure in Baenlixnaire's mold because then the Governance voting bloc wouldn't be able to be tarred with the broad brush of waifuism.
B, but that's time you won't be able to spend sleeping! You've lost the vigor of your youth you know, gotta make it up with the vigor of an ELDER BEAST!
Mm, I wouldn't say it's purely linear. Having high physical parameters can help out a lot in various matters like reconstruction, delivery, fetch quests and so on. It's also not terribly linear in combat, just look at the variety of tactics our hero already displayed in the two fights he's participated in! Most fights at this level are about manipulation of physicality with the studied use of a few trump cards or special rules so having a great baseline and consistent sustain are very nice.
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I'm pretty sure Nightmare is the riskiest build in the set. It requires time to ramp up. It requires planning to be dangerous. Most of the time the real danger is the stuff we don't see coming.
Mitigating risk are usually options that let you react when things go badly and still come out okay. With Nightmare we need to plan in advance and make the right moves or lose. I'm not sure if relying on Hero's decision making in place of our own will really protect us from mistakes.
Auspicious gives us all the tools we need, unique synergy with Gisena, and preserves long term growth.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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- They
I think people are really understimating [ ] Auspicious Vanguard, it gives us survivability and leaves us minimal weaknesses while giving us the flexibility to deal with our enemies in various ways. The Null resistance shouldn't be underestimated either, it allows us to work with Gisena increadibly well. Just tell her fuck up all the magic in the area and we can destroy our opponent through FELLHANDED SORD! It also has an single Thick as thieves, which increases our charisma, intelligence and charisma for those who want it, with less mental contamination compared to the other option.
Most importantly, when we level up again, we might get access to even more interesting type of Ring upgrades. So for now let's focus on upgrading our sword accretion.
[x]Auspicious Vanguard
[X] Force Unto
[X] Unshattered
Most importantly, when we level up again, we might get access to even more interesting type of Ring upgrades. So for now let's focus on upgrading our sword accretion.
[x]Auspicious Vanguard
[X] Force Unto
[X] Unshattered
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OctarineShrike
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[x]Auspicious Vanguard
[x]Nightmare Praetor
[x]Nightmare Praetor
- Location
- Pindorama
You don't have to say that to me Rihaku, I'm likely Arthur's biggest fan. I agree with everything you said. But some people vocally don't...
But maybe it's just that the meme has gotten out of hand.
Don't know why you think that when Force Unto has it's riskiness explicitly mentioned in the option and Praetor doesn't, but okay.
As they option says we are also great at improvisation; unexpected events are unlikely to be devastating. As they say, it's not about having a plan, but about the fact that one has planned.
I believe the statement "improved descision making". Not different decision making, improved. The Hero will make better choices due to this.
