OctarineShrike
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What is the ability without the willingness to use it? The ability to form human connections, the ability to not be a caricature is meaningless if it is not used.
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What is the ability without the willingness to use it? The ability to form human connections, the ability to not be a caricature is meaningless if it is not used.
Maragas
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Thats what I am saying. Before the vengeance is complete I don't think our hero will take any companions, he is too hurt, the wounds are too raw. After the vengeance though? Well, it's a good thing our hero isn't a caricature that is only living on edge and hatred isn't it?
Plus you can still talk and make friendships even before that.
Maragas
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Pot calling kettle. It sounds more interesting for me too but Freedom is long past and we have a vengeance to finish.
OctarineShrike
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That sounds more like casual acquaintances to me.
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Who knows maybe he has cleared out worst of the beings who can rival him at this point. Thus "mitigating" the Apocryphal Curse?
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Yes? As I said, no companions before the vengeance is complete but everything else is possible.
No idea. It may range everything from "He must endure a regular set of torture/punishment appropriate for his power." to "One of his curses gets renewed every once in a while. Hamster Wheel type of situation where he is forever accursed to give curses to others for no avail." to "Have a large portion of his Cursebearers die, start from over."
I put my bet on the second one.
My favorite would be "Get a new type of curse once in a while" though.
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OctarineShrike
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Basically I'm attacking your notion that there's a boundary between friend and companion.
Edit: Extending on this, if we can't be bothered to associate with a person compatible with us basically dropped into our lap, who will we associate with?
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Maragas
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Oh thats easy, I have lots of friends from wide range of topics to things. I have some close friends that we regularly do things that bought us closer like DnD or VTM. Lastly I have 3 best friends I have known since high school, hell childhood.
I can only call my best friends companions and even then it would be stretching it.
The thing I wanted to emphasis on is the fact that, like only 10% of all social interaction is at the level of "Companion". Even that depends on the person. I had more interaction with you than some of my close friends today
Our hero being reluctant on taking companions or closest friends or whatever doesn't mean he has to be anti social edgelord. He is just understandably reserved against getting close.
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OctarineShrike
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Oh thats easy, I have lots of friends from wide range of topics to things. I have some close friends that we regularly do things that bought us closer like DnD or VTM. Lastly I have 3 best friends I have known since high school, hell childhood.
I can only call my best friends companions and even then it would be stretching it.
The thing I wanted to emphasis on is the fact that, like only 10% of all social interaction is at the level of "Companion". Even that depends on the person. I had more interaction with you than some of my close friends today
Our hero being reluctant on taking companions or closest friends or whatever doesn't mean he has to be anti social edgelord. He is just understandably reserved against getting close.
Don't know if you noticed my extension or just didn't consider it relevant, but clarifying/reiterating, if we can't be bothered to associate with somebody compatible with us that's essentially dropped into our lap, who will we associate with?
Edit:Extending further, personally I'd put the threshold of "Actually friends at all as opposed to casual acquaintances" at your VTM/DnD buddies.
Edit2: All this arguing, this tempest, is itself a form of solidarity and camaraderie. Why do we do this if we don't actually like arguing with each other?
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Maragas
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Timing, the guy lost his companions one by one, Then his wife and children and then nearly his life. Then he chose to throw away Freedom, resurrection of his wife, children and companion for vengeance.
Are you telling me this is a guy who gives a fuck about new companions, the ones he never even knew before Accursed mentioned them, right now when he can't even bothered to resurrect his actual companions and children?
Like I said, I can only imagine a person like this getting companions after their vengeance is complete. Like Kratos, time did some good for him.
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I mean, what do people remember about Terrascape? Our fights against Vitalistist rando and dragon, or Imperia and Stratgist? In Simple Transaction, fights versus escalating orks or moments with Giesene and Jeanne? In EFB, our fight against Kong or gold ass motherfucker, or interactions with skele daddy, Suizhen and Aurelia?
Being walking blander is, ironically enough, bland. Fun character interactions is where it's at. Taking companions and abilities that benefit of more companions will encourage that instead of murder fucking rando army #5453
OctarineShrike
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Timing, the guy lost his companions one by one, Then his wife and children and then nearly his life. Then he chose to throw away Freedom, resurrection of his wife, children and companion for vengeance.
Are you telling this is a guy who gives a fuck about new companions, the ones he never even knew before Accursed mentioned them, right now when he can't even bothered to resurrect his actual companions and children?
Like I said, I can only imagine I person like this getting companions after their vengeance is complete. Like Kratos, time did some good for him.
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I'm thinking transactional relationship+compatibility leads invitably to friendship here. He convinces himself it's transactional, whether to maximize the mitigation of the enemy of all life he made himself, or for the Seals Synergy/having an agent who can go places he can't but in the end it gives way to friendship.
Maragas
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I agree! Thats why I voted for Forsaken with most character interactions. Newly resurrected companions, wife and children reaction to sudden life and the fact that their hero become a Cursebearer. Their adventures among the multiverse. We could have Gisema too! IC we can rationalize as our hero took her because they are compatible and she mitigates his curses.
But it's vengeance now.
Probably. It's a common trope for a reason and I like it. But I don't feel like it's fitting for our character. Plus I would like to meet new characters and waifu. We have the Geas and Apoc Curse, we have all the opportunities for it among the infinite omniverse.
OctarineShrike
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Oh well. I've got one more point I can think of to bring to bear here right now. Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo is a hunger plan. Hunger raises the hero's appetite for the visceral pleasures of life and in general acts as a magic anti-depressant. Assuming visceral pleasures of life includes friends, it's entirely plausible for the hero to seek them out given that.
Maragas
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You make a good point! I like the TSM plan even more now! It can actually make vengeance path more bearable.
OctarineShrike
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How many of them would voluntarily associate with us knowing we voluntarily became the enemy of all life in pursuit of vengeance with no game plan to mitigate it immediately though?
You are deflecting from my initial point, which is that murder blender is less interesting than interactions. If you want to remember, you elected to challenge this point.
For your second point, our hero is currently a tabula rasa - him taking or not taking a companion will retroactively be in character as he will be formed to reflect the choices we made. Really, seeing Gisena slowly go under that hard edgy shell might prove very amusing.
OctarineShrike
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I had another epiphany about Catherine plans. Is not teaching one of the most effective ways to learn and reinforce knowledge about a subject? Teaching her seals, may be an exploit against Hunger's suppression of training benefits, and has benefits too if we give her retinue instead of taking hunger because fewer orders of magnitude difference between our seals and hers, potential synergies with whatever her affinity is, and the training benefits from teaching people about a subject.
Edit2: And then you've got the benefits of her divergent perspective countering whatever Einstellung we may have developed when it comes to seals: Einstellung effect - Wikipedia
Edit2: And then you've got the benefits of her divergent perspective countering whatever Einstellung we may have developed when it comes to seals: Einstellung effect - Wikipedia
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Maragas
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I didn't deflect it, I basically said if you wanted interesting interactions and wacky adventures Freedom paths were your best options and it already passed. It's time for murder blending people voted for and wanted.
True, but the fundamental characterization is done. Our hero gave up everything for vengeance. Enough power to live a aappy life with resurrected wife, children and companions with the multiverse to explore. Given up for vengeance.
We just have different opinions.
Except we can still make a choice. We didn't lose ability to pick any companion ever once we decided for revenge.
It isn't. That's why are we given the choice; Rihaku doesn't give choices our character wouldn't take.
Which is why you immediately attacked my own position and then keep on responding to my posts despite having nothing of value to respond with?
You are not required to chime in to every single post stating your support for your option.
OctarineShrike
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I think I've talked myself back into:
[x]Plan Palpatine V2
-[x]King's Scepter
-[x]Seven Seals
-[x]Hunger
-[x]Forbear's Blade
-[x]Ceathlynn "Catherine" of Amarlt
Immediate curse mitigation from Archmage level sealing capabilities, explosive combat growth, a disciple with the benefits that entails to our own development in sealing(Possible end run around Hunger training suppression via teaching, countering the Einstellung Effect) who we can buff into a combat monster in the meantime, magic anti-depressants, whatever synergies her seal affinity has with ours, and her relevance is at least somewhat independent of her power level via giant robots in the late game.
[x]Plan Palpatine V2
-[x]King's Scepter
-[x]Seven Seals
-[x]Hunger
-[x]Forbear's Blade
-[x]Ceathlynn "Catherine" of Amarlt
Immediate curse mitigation from Archmage level sealing capabilities, explosive combat growth, a disciple with the benefits that entails to our own development in sealing(Possible end run around Hunger training suppression via teaching, countering the Einstellung Effect) who we can buff into a combat monster in the meantime, magic anti-depressants, whatever synergies her seal affinity has with ours, and her relevance is at least somewhat independent of her power level via giant robots in the late game.
No need to be too dramatic about it. We'll have interesting character interactions either way, the Hero won't live in a vacuum and won't take on the whole world by himself. At the very least the Apocryphal Curse ensures we can't just seclude ourselves and grind through the local monster population, assuming they even have one.
That's one of the big reasons we want to take Hunger - training montages are quite literally life-threatening and easily interrupted, so it's best to focus our efforts on advancing as we go. In the meantime he'll meet all kinds of people, and maybe he won't even kill all of them!
We might not have the same companions over longer periods of time - depends on how long others can keep up with our Progress - but that's too far off to consider right now. What we're deciding is mainly our starter pack and the rough direction of our initial development, plus an interesting plot thread or two if we think we can afford to bite.
Edit: Ofc taking Retinue makes for a wildly different playstyle, but it requires quite a lot of focus on our companions. Not just "i'll take this one and this one", but the whole build will have to be structured around them.
That's one of the big reasons we want to take Hunger - training montages are quite literally life-threatening and easily interrupted, so it's best to focus our efforts on advancing as we go. In the meantime he'll meet all kinds of people, and maybe he won't even kill all of them!
We might not have the same companions over longer periods of time - depends on how long others can keep up with our Progress - but that's too far off to consider right now. What we're deciding is mainly our starter pack and the rough direction of our initial development, plus an interesting plot thread or two if we think we can afford to bite.
Edit: Ofc taking Retinue makes for a wildly different playstyle, but it requires quite a lot of focus on our companions. Not just "i'll take this one and this one", but the whole build will have to be structured around them.
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OctarineShrike
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Does Retinue give us an easy way to take people with us when we travel via Geass? Though I suppose we could resort to human storage scrolls if we needed to.