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Like how is incarnating Medb more power-intensive than resurrecting a ton of dead people and wiping everyone's memories? It should be chump change for the grail, not any difference than resurrecting 99 people and 100 people.

So come on take a chance and actually try to give the protagonists a reward instead of making them martyr themselves for "the greater good".
 
1986ctcel said:
Like how is incarnating Medb more power-intensive than resurrecting a ton of dead people and wiping everyone's memories? It should be chump change for the grail, not any difference than resurrecting 99 people and 100 people.

So come on take a chance and actually try to give the protagonists a reward instead of making them martyr themselves for "the greater good".
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It's not bringing anyone back. This grail isn't capable of resurrecting the dead. Look at Hans. He needs two grails to just resurrect his dead sister. This wish is meant to wipe away the war from the survivors minds so the Clocktower doesn't decide to nuke the city, killing everyone there. So we're saving thousands and thousands of people, not reviving them.

Incarnating Medb is its own wish that the grail can almost certainly do, but it probably can't do both. Again, shitty grail.

Edit: Actually, your wish is literally impossible for the grail to fulfill. Please don't vote for it people, it's a dud wish.
 
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Assuming there's a sequel, we should take on the Clocktower.

[X] "I wish upon the Grail... I pray that the Fates of those whom brushed with this war be remedied. Let the sadness, the suffering, and the pain vanish from their minds. Let the glimpses of miracles and nightmares escape their thoughts... So that they may return to their fragile, fleeting, yet happy lives." (Fate End)
 
Impstar said:
It's not bringing anyone back. This grail isn't capable of resurrecting the dead. Look at Hans. He needs two grails to just resurrect his dead sister. This wish is meant to wipe away the war from the survivors minds so the Clocktower doesn't decide to nuke the city, killing everyone there. So we're saving thousands and thousands of people, not reviving them.

Incarnating Medb is its own wish that the grail can almost certainly do, but it probably can't do both. Again, shitty grail.

Edit: Actually, your wish is literally impossible for the grail to fulfill. Please don't vote for it people, it's a dud wish.
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....then frankly the author should have just outright said "lol no you can't save your waifu too" instead of dangling a write-in option that could "potentially" give us a happy ending where we save Medb and the rest of the town over our heads.
 
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[X] "I wish upon the Grail... I pray that the Fates of those whom brushed with this war be remedied, let both the living and the dead be restored to healthy bodies and with memories free of the glimpses of miracles and nightmares, with Rider herself be restored to mortal life as her reward for ensuring the salvation of all healed by this wish.
-[X] "And so I cast Yeetus Deletus on shitty trolley problems, a spell fueled by a dimension of salt that shall heretofore never be seen."

Not too sure what to say here. We're at the final choice I assume of the quest, and the drive-by voting bandwagon for a write-in wish....is the default option. I can't even blame people for not caring. Our "route choice" was only indicated as one outside of the update with vague options, people were voting to be Medb and go against Brie explicitly because they wanted a tragedy.

In attempts to be constructive without being rude, I'll toss my thoughts on some issues down below with (hopefully) minimal salt flavoring.
So I'll split this into two parts: Story Telling and Mechanical.
Story Telling: From a story perspective, none of the other characters really did anything outside of direct confrontations with Brie. Prior to vamps he didn't seem to have done anything. Emiya assisted a bit with vampires but ultimately Brie was the one to actually do something about Caster. He tried to track down Olga and failed, found Assassin only to fight Hans, and didn't even get Hans to use a command seal. The info gathered from Assassin was useless, since we already found out Olga was with Kiara. He sacrificed Saber to take out the monster Olga summoned but considering his earlier failures helped lead to this it's kind of a wash. Finally he brings in mother fucking King Arthur as back-up as he sort of helped Medb stall lancer for three minutes!....whos contribution was ultimately cut some branches as Medb kills Lancer herself? It really only felt like that served as a way to tell players "Hey if you tried to not save the town you'd also have to fight Last second seiba on top of Ruler." Speaking of Ruler, whaaaaaaat was she even there for? She handed out a couple command seals and helped stall Cu as once again, Brie went to actually solve the problem. Outside of that she "Couldn't help" because reasons, even though things got so bad the Clocktower were nuking the town. Speaking of, both the Church and the Clocktower only really exist as faceless entities that are driving the "Time limit" plot. Neither managed to note that Kiara has a bounded field up over the town pavilion or whatever, despite supposedly trying to find the supplier of the magic drugs. Outside of Olga ganking Kiara, Archer trying to snipe Brie, Caster unleashing vamps, and Cu targeting Ruler no one did anything but Brie. Worse, of those incidents only Caster's vampires occurred because of incidents that weren't involving Brie. Nobody served as anything aside from antagonists for Brie to fight. Caster had her vampires which Brie beat down, Kiara was doing something with drugs that Olga took over because Brie beat down Olga, Brie beat down Olga again, Emiya watched, Minerva ran, and Hans...stood there I guess? Despite having his own forces and being Shishou's student he didn't really do anything besides fight us and repair Brie. Also the lack of any foreshadowing regarding Minerva's intant-win button that explicitly led down the Heaven's Fell route felt very Diabolus ex Machina.

Mechanically, I mentioned it before with the fight votes and such but most options didn't really give any indication of what they did. Social votes obviously indicated who we might talk to, but it was ambiguous whether those would lead to increasing a social link, or a plot hook, and if we didn't discover the plot hook if it waited or got worse. Combat votes were especially nightmare-ish because it always felt like we were getting by by the skin of our teeth. Using a gun seemed to be as effective as using magecraft or gae bolg, because whichever way we only seemed to dodge death by a hairsbreadth each time, and just felt like randomly picking, or blind votes. And if it's a blind vote, you might as well flip a coin because the questers have no meaningful impact on the choice. These compounded into the issue that was the Minerva fight, which were back-to-back "Pick gun, spear, magecraft, or pandora's box". None of them seemed to have better results than the others and then the final choice ended up being the choice for our route...but that was only mentioned on the page *after* the update. Even worse, Spear wasn't the "Heaven's Feel" choice because picking it caused Minerva to beat us, or killing Minerva triggered the route, it was the "Heaven's Feel" choice because it just happened to be the one that got us in touching range of Minerva.That definitely felt the wombo combo of "Pick a random box" combined with "Also fuck you, the boss has a one-hit KO ability that was never hinted at".

Then later on we had the vote for Brie picking either her wish, or saving the town. Putting aside the inherent problems with characters that have done almost nothing to save the town putting all of it on Brie, or how it's the cherry on top of the "Literally only Brie can do anything plot-relevant", Brie choosing her wish narrowly wins. Then, rather than a run-off vote for a contested option(which I don't care what Spectral says, that is not something I see anywhere besides Anonkun which has a very different questing structure) it's a vote for what Medb thinks about the wish. Putting aside that up until now, Medb was her own NPC with no input from others, this felt like a run-off vote for "Are you sure Brie wants to sacrifice the town?" except nobody wins in this case; the voters that want Brie to win for her wish lose because Medb won't let her, and the people who want Brie to save the town lose because Brie doesn't want to. You created a situation where nobody wins, and everybody is salty.

Finally, after that, we get a vote to pick a different protagonist. So now the quest ends...following a character that we may have spent the quest with, but not as.

The last two problems there might've arisen partly because of voters voting for them, but they were inherently problematic from the beginning. On top of that, considering that some of those voters were(and in fact, even now still are) saying "How they want a tragedy" it feels difficult to see the winning options in any positive way with people seemingly coming in at the end of the quest to purposefully tank it.

Again, I love the characters and the way you write Rabbit, but please maybe keep some of this stuff in mind for the next quest?

anyways, this Ted Talk brought to you by the UBW gang, reminding all yall that nobody picks the Fate Route for a reason.
 
1986ctcel said:
[X] "I wish upon the Grail... I pray that the Fates of those whom brushed with this war be remedied, let both the living and the dead be restored to healthy bodies and with memories free of the glimpses of miracles and nightmares, with Rider herself be restored to mortal life as her reward for ensuring the salvation of all healed by this wish.
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This is really beautiful wish of the salvation of both town and Medb. Heroes deserve their reward, and their happy ending. And of course, heroes can be selfish, and Brie has all the right to be selfish.

But I am afraid of the bad ending. As has been already mentioned above, this Holy Grail isn't even the original Grail. What if it doesn't have this power? What if it is impossible to kill two birds with one stone?

And because of this fear I don't like this wish. I agree to Impstar, this Grail can't resurrect the dead.

But from the original wish stems my another fear. What if Brie's memories will also be wiped? This Grail is not evil, but not good either. And to forget about Medb is completely unacceptable.

Or, another possibility, only civilians memories will be wiped. And Minerva will still have these memories, and Clocktower will still know about this doll. Thus, Brie won't be able to be free.
 
sportoner said:
This is really beautiful wish of the salvation of both town and Medb. Heroes deserve their reward, and their happy ending. And of course, heroes can be selfish, and Brie has all the right to be selfish.

But I am afraid of the bad ending. As has been already mentioned above, this Holy Grail isn't even the original Grail. What if it doesn't have this power? What if it is impossible to kill two birds with one stone?

And because of this fear I don't like this wish. I agree to Impstar, this Grail can't resurrect the dead.

But from the original wish stems my another fear. What if Brie's memories will also be wiped? This Grail is not evil, but not good either. And to forget about Medb is completely unacceptable.

Or, another possibility, only civilians memories will be wiped. And Minerva will still have these memories, and Clocktower will still know about this doll. Thus, Brie won't be able to be free.
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Meh who cares? The QM seems intent on railroading us with the way the vote is presented* so what does it matter?

*blank write-ins nearly always lose to pre-generated options simply due to the fact that most voters will prefer copying a vote rather than coming up with their own one and the bandwagon effect means that the pre-gen option will get more votes in a short amount of time making derailing it with a new vote extremely hard. Also as mentioned the "runoff vote" after Brie's wish won over the "save the town" option.

EDIT: You realise if my wish doesn't wipe Minerva's memory then the default one won't either?
 
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sportoner said:
Or, another possibility, only civilians memories will be wiped. And Minerva will still have these memories, and Clocktower will still know about this doll. Thus, Brie won't be able to be free.
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The clocktower doesn't know about us yet. As far as I'm aware anyways. And I can't imagine Brie will lose her memories of the war, that would be just too much.

1986ctcel said:
....then frankly the author should have just outright said "lol no you can't save your waifu too" instead of dangling a write-in option that could "potentially" give us a happy ending where we save Medb and the rest of the town over our heads.
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The vote gave a write-in option not because there was a way to save both, but to give voters flexibility. Heck, if enough people were on board, the vote could even go back to saving Medb. I can guarantee you, if there was no write-in vote, the "railroading" accusations would be several times worse.

Gonna put in my two cents as a general review. I agree with some of what Keldin said, about how it seems like nothing really happened unless we were the ones to do it, and also agree a bit about how sometimes votes had severe consequences not even hinted at. I disagree a bit as well however, as sometimes it's okay for different vote options to receive a similar final result. Maybe the difference between using a gun and using magecraft is just a different fight that ends up in the same place. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Now I might be biased as a member of team "save the town," but I personally appreciated the additional votes that amounted to "are you sure?" If the thread was really united in their decision to have Brie's wish go through, there were basically 4 votes to that effect, and she only won one of them. The first vote, whether Medb agreed, who they were going to follow, and now this one. I disagree with the people who claim that it's just a tragedy as well. Yeah Medb and Brie can't be together, and that is tragic, but while the story of their love is a bit of a tragedy, the story itself? I disagree. What I see from here are possibilities. Yeah, Brie needs to get her body fixed, but Luvia seems like she can handle that, and Brie's going to get training from Scathach herself. From there? She can do whatever she wants. She isn't being hunted by anyone. She isn't be restrained by anything. She can hunt down another grail war to try and get Medb again. She can join Emiya on shenanigans. Or any number of other things.

This isn't a 10/10 quest, or even Rabbits best quest (my personal favorite was the previous, Madoka Magica one), but it's a good one and I enjoyed the ride.
 
Keldin said:
people were voting to be Medb and go against Brie explicitly because they wanted a tragedy.
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Plus, there's the politics over people not wanting to screw over the town and, in their words, "be moral". When the binary options started, Brie's way got shoved to the side pretty quickly.
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Then, rather than a run-off vote for a contested option(which I don't care what Spectral says, that is not something I see anywhere besides Anonkun which has a very different questing structure) it's a vote for what Medb thinks about the wish. Putting aside that up until now, Medb was her own NPC with no input from others, this felt like a run-off vote for "Are you sure Brie wants to sacrifice the town?" except nobody wins in this case; the voters that want Brie to win for her wish lose because Medb won't let her, and the people who want Brie to save the town lose because Brie doesn't want to. You created a situation where nobody wins, and everybody is salty.
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That's because... well, going by a recently discovered back-channel party, the emphasis wasn't on dynamics like player politics and narrative cohesiveness. The point of the vote chain seems to have entirely been about deciding who would be the final boss, because Rabbit wanted to write more fight scenes. We have confirmation that if Medb and Brie decided to take their ball and go home, Jeanne and Emiya would've tried to stop them. And Artoria's arrival then means she's the DPS of the three-on-two.

That's it. The only reason Brie and Medb didn't communicate their differences was because Rabbit wanted to write a big emotional fight.
 
Ugh. I kinda want you people to stop saying "railroading" and "truck problems" when you are explicitly given opportunities to come up with a Wish that could ensure you are getting everything you wanted to, if you're really clever, but you can't come up with anything that would reliably work and instead choose to badmouth QM for putting you in this situation in the first place, lol.

I know I'm asking for too much, though, so never mind that.

And no one is trying to get clever with their wording.
Lol, even I can think of a thing or two to Wish for, and I don't plan on using a write-in:

[] "I wish upon the Grail... Give Peace to this war-torn City, Give Peace to this accursed Doll, Give Peace to the Wicked Queen! Happiness for me, for everyone here, and let none be left wanting!"

The same problem as the Wish that wants to to reincarnate Medb and save the city at the same time, which is why I won't be voting for it, but, like, if you don't like this ending, fight for another with your words, honestly put effort in coming up with something that could save everyone, you say you despise trolley problems and instead of derailing the train it looks like you're trying out multitrack drifting by setting the thread on fire.
 
[X] "I wish upon the Grail... Give Peace to this war-torn City, Give Peace to this accursed Doll, Give Peace to the Wicked Queen! Happiness for me, for everyone here, and let none be left wanting!"

This is better. If it backfires, that's the grail's fault, not ours.

Edit: also, such a custom vote is more interesting than the Fate end.
 
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[X] "I wish upon the Grail... I pray that the Fates of those whom brushed with this war be remedied. Let the sadness, the suffering, and the pain vanish from their minds. Let the glimpses of miracles and nightmares escape their thoughts... So that they may return to their fragile, fleeting, yet happy lives." (Fate End)
 
Impstar said:
The clocktower doesn't know about us yet. As far as I'm aware anyways. And I can't imagine Brie will lose her memories of the war, that would be just too much.
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I can misinterpret something, but Clocktower will be interested in Brie, even up to the Seal Designation.
Maybe, this is just possible future, and Clocktower currently don't know about Brie. Moreover, Brie is currently in Minerva's body, and it can completely change the situation.

But still, the more people know about Brie's unique situation, the less safe she is. And I am completely scared of Clocktower. And Minerva already has shown herself as the powerful foe, and it would be great if she forgets about Brie.

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"Indeed. It was quite surprising to be honest. However I fail to see how to replicate such a reaction. To create a pseudo-consciousness in such a manner is unprecedented," the man said with a thoughtful tone, "Should the unit survive the war, no doubt the Clocktower would be expressing interest in passing a Seal Designation upon it."

"I wouldn't be surprised. It's no mere Homonculus at this point. A being melded with stone, flesh and magecraft, it would be akin to a Construct than a Homonculus. If I didn't know any better you may be reconstructing the wild Mudman, friend to the King of Heroes. But your family had always been interested in Greek culture and myths," the woman pointed out with a bland tone.
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sportoner said:
But still, the more people know about Brie's unique situation, the less safe she is. And I am completely scared of Clocktower. And Minerva already has shown herself as the powerful foe, and it would be great if she forgets about Brie.
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Luvia and Rin can probably help, and at least we'd be just a curiosity worth studying as opposed to an outright target.
 
I'd really not like the Fate End; better that we take a leap of faith with a custom vote like Raiseth's.
 
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This is better. If it backfires, that's the grail's fault, not ours.

Edit: also, such a custom vote is more interesting than the Fate end.
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The problem is, the wording of the wish isn't necessarily the same as what we want accomplished. Like, bring peace/happiness to people? Does that mean they won't remember the magecraft and horror of the war, or just not be affected by it? If the former, that's basically the pre-made choice. If the latter, Clocktower is still going to nuke the city. Give us peace? That's nice. Give Rider peace? She's still going to vanish. No amount of word wrangling will cause the grail to do something it can't do. And that is in fact our fault, not the grail. Just like if we had wished to bring everyone dead in the city to life, it would be our fault we're asking the grail to do something it can't do.

Like, what does bring happiness even mean? Does it act like a mini-wish granter for every person in the city, giving them what they need to be happy? Does it just make them happy without changing anything? Frankly it's probably the second, because the first is way too powerful for this grail to pull off (or even the original to be honest).
 
Keldin said:
The last two problems there might've arisen partly because of voters voting for them, but they were inherently problematic from the beginning. On top of that, considering that some of those voters were(and in fact, even now still are) saying "How they want a tragedy" it feels difficult to see the winning options in any positive way with people seemingly coming in at the end of the quest to purposefully tank it.
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Hello, one of the tragedy wanters's here, to be honest [] Summon Caladbolg and stab her through her back. Do it quickly and make it painless. that was the vote to get the ending I wanted and I explicitly didn't vote for it because I realised not everyone wanted it (and I didn't want the quest to end but that's another story). So in no way did we (to my knowledge) 'purposefully tank it'

I didn't want to ruin others fun so I could get a slightly more interesting story.

I already won cause I got a good story to read.
Keldin said:
anyways, this Ted Talk brought to you by the UBW gang, reminding all yall that nobody picks the Fate Route for a reason.
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-implying UBW isn't made a tragedy by the implications in HF.
 
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I'm just gonna echo Raiseth here and say that this whole "trolley problem" is entirely because of voter decisions and literally nothing else.

also the vote

[X] "I wish upon the Grail... Give Peace to this war-torn City, Give Peace to this accursed Doll, Give Peace to the Wicked Queen! Happiness for me, for everyone here, and let none be left wanting!"
 
Impstar said:
The problem is, the wording of the wish isn't necessarily the same as what we want accomplished. Like, bring peace/happiness to people? Does that mean they won't remember the magecraft and horror of the war, or just not be affected by it? If the former, that's basically the pre-made choice. If the latter, Clocktower is still going to nuke the city. Give us peace? That's nice. Give Rider peace? She's still going to vanish. No amount of word wrangling will cause the grail to do something it can't do. And that is in fact our fault, not the grail. Just like if we had wished to bring everyone dead in the city to life, it would be our fault we're asking the grail to do something it can't do.

Like, what does bring happiness even mean? Does it act like a mini-wish granter for every person in the city, giving them what they need to be happy? Does it just make them happy without changing anything? Frankly it's probably the second, because the first is way too powerful for this grail to pull off (or even the original to be honest).
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[X] "I wish upon the Grail... Give Peace to this war-torn City, Give Peace to this accursed Doll, Give Peace to the Wicked Queen! Save us all at once; spare the people the memory of this conflict, and with that same energy and intent incarnate Medb into the world!

Modified the vote; it's better now. Vote for this, everyone! Let's not resign ourselves to our Fate!
 
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Impstar said:
The problem is, the wording of the wish isn't necessarily the same as what we want accomplished. Like, bring peace/happiness to people? Does that mean they won't remember the magecraft and horror of the war, or just not be affected by it? If the former, that's basically the pre-made choice. If the latter, Clocktower is still going to nuke the city. Give us peace? That's nice. Give Rider peace? She's still going to vanish. No amount of word wrangling will cause the grail to do something it can't do. And that is in fact our fault, not the grail. Just like if we had wished to bring everyone dead in the city to life, it would be our fault we're asking the grail to do something it can't do.

Like, what does bring happiness even mean? Does it act like a mini-wish granter for every person in the city, giving them what they need to be happy? Does it just make them happy without changing anything? Frankly it's probably the second, because the first is way too powerful for this grail to pull off (or even the original to be honest).
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All valid concerns, which is why I'm not voting for it.
Well, the only good thing this petty Grail has going for it is that it's not corrupted, so it'll try to grant our Wish as much as it can.
But, like, I'm honestly baffled.

If someone wants to save both the city and the Rider, here's a Wish-Granting machine, go wild.
If someone wanted to only save Medb like Brie was originally planning on, they could've done it as far as the pre-last update.
We controlled Medb, we could've agreed with Brie and just like that, the route would have shifted towards fighting Shirou, Saber and her granddaughter, which would've been honestly awesome, actually.

What else could have Rabbit done? Aside from not writing about how Mage Association is bringing the hammer down on this Grail Wars and that we have to fight fucking Riastrad, better known by his wrestling name "Collateral Damage"?

This was foreshadowed from the moment we met Kotomine,

My own criticism of the story stems towards the power levels of characters involved, honestly.
Jeanne seriously doesn't rock her Ruler form.
Shirou Emiya, instead of doing some fuckery like Broken Phantasms or summoning swords specifically designed to defeat people he fights, looks more like an old man we keep calling him who should've retired from Grail Wars ten years ago, despite being barely thirty.

I only can imagine that this is all for that possible route where we fought them so that we would have a slight chance of winning instead of instantly Bad Ending, but, eh.

Otherwise, I'm cool with everything, 9 cheeses out of 10, would play again.
 
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Luvia and Rin can probably help, and at least we'd be just a curiosity worth studying as opposed to an outright target.
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I completely agree to you, even if Clocktower is interested in Brie, the situation won't be so dire.

But still, I think that wiping Minerva's and other's memories won't impose a problem. Well, maybe it would be better to exclude Luvia and Emiya specifically from this memory-wiping. So, here is revised version of write-in.

[] "I wish upon the Grail, for everybody, except for Brie, Emiya and Luvia, to forget about the events, prior to the start of the Grail War and about the existance of Brie." - Vote revoked in favour of Thelxiope's write-in.
 
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This is a wish granting machine, so we have room to get creative. And I'd say a vote of our own is better than giving up and resigning ourselves to misery, even if the outcome is uncertain. Let's take the leap of faith.
 
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Why do people assume the fate route vote is just resigning to misery. From here there's just possibility.
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We have a chance to do better. Or we can live with the knowledge that we could've been with Medb, but didn't take the chance to make that happen. If that's not misery, what is? Brie's going to live with guilt for the rest of her lifetime if that's the route we'll take.
 
[X] "I wish upon the Grail... Give Peace to this war-torn City, Give Peace to this accursed Doll, Give Peace to the Wicked Queen! Save us all at once; spare the people the memory of this conflict, and with that same energy and intent incarnate Medb into the world!

fine might as well

@Always Late @Keldin I think it would be best to consolidate behind this vote since it seems better thought out than mine.


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The vote gave a write-in option not because there was a way to save both, but to give voters flexibility. Heck, if enough people were on board, the vote could even go back to saving Medb. I can guarantee you, if there was no write-in vote, the "railroading" accusations would be several times worse.
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Then it's pointless.

Who cares about the specifics if the outcome can't be changed without going "let's just leave the town to be nuked"? Hell if people switching to "leave the town to be nuked while running off with Medb" is still possible (and the only other potential outcome) it would have been better as a binary vote instead of one option and a write-in.

Impstar said:
Why do people assume the fate route vote is just resigning to misery. From here there's just possibility.
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Because Brie is giving up the love of her life for some random civilians, she has zero chance of meeting said love again without diving into another grail war where she'll have to kill even more people (and she already has to deal with having killed multiple people now and then there's the whole "Brie's soul will be torn apart by Akasha when she dies while Medb spends eternity with her soul frozen in carbonite" thing).

Raiseth said:
Ugh. I kinda want you people to stop saying "railroading" and "truck problems" when you are explicitly given opportunities to come up with a Wish that could ensure you are getting everything you wanted to, if you're really clever, but you can't come up with anything that would reliably work and instead choose to badmouth QM for putting you in this situation in the first place, lol.
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And I don't want to be forced to be "really clever" in the final vote of the quest just to get an actual happy ending for the protagonists.

I just want to vote in a quest for an option I'd like instead of being given a stupid problem to solve that maaaaaay if we're lucky (IE. the QM lets us) give us what we want. The QM was the one who came up with the framework of this update's vote.

People voted to have the protagonists work together and try to find another way but all that we're given is a choice between "fate route ending" and "write-in" which means the spirit of the winning vote was ignored in favour of the letter of it.

The very structure of the vote is biased towards "fate ending" and requires a great amount of skill and creative thinking just to get any other outcome.
 
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