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Day 3 Beginning
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    • Once more the lights cycle on as day begins, and once more everyone meets up to continue the 'discussions' of the last two days. And once more, someone isn't there. Once more, when people go in search, they find that someone... dead. @ComiTurtle, the Storm Trooper Captain, has been [Shot In The Back] in the middle of a corridor. Once more, no evidence remains as to whom has done this foul deed.

    With the crowd noticeably smaller then it was at the start, and no success yet found, once more people begin to turn upon each other, casting blame and accusations. And if some figures should secretly delight in this... well, the Rebellion has had much to be delighted about, so far.

    Day 3 has begin. It will end in 72 hours, at , or upon reaching Hammer.
    There are 9 players alive, as such the hammer is currently at 5 Votes.
     
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    • [X] Lynch QTesseract

    I had come to the same conclusion as Nani even before they made their lynch post. The selective inactivity - jumping in edgewise only to throw potshots that could be walked back at town or to rescue someone I now also suspect is scum (@Oshha). I suspect they were making an ironic argument at that point, and that Daw really didn't have much if any in the way of support from his scumbuddies. Meaning it was exactly what it initially appeared to be - a new scum player flipping out because they were caught out as scum on D1, with minimal to no support from their buddies. (I'm guessing the third is also one of the lesser or newer posters).
     
    As for why QT if I think both of them are scum? I think he's more dangerous, and if he isn't scum then the theory is wrong and at least it will be a lesser loss, unless he plans on actually posting this time.
     
    [X] Lynch Nictis.

    I don't like their continued survival as the most competent and experienced vet. I would have expected them to have died by now if they weren't scum.
     
    Oshha said:
    [X] Lynch Nictis.

    I don't like their continued survival as the most competent and experienced vet. I would have expected them to have died by now if they weren't scum.
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    I dislike this argument as a sole reason to lynch someone when both other players eliminated by scum were competent and experienced vets. If you have more I'm open to it, though. Especially given QT is also in the game still and is a competent and experienced vet when he can be bothered to post.

    As for Comi: Unfortunately going back through his posts I can't find anything particularly helpful. He died before giving much in the way of reads... his longest stuff was about my weird state, but I've already explained that and I'll let someone else go through and analyze it since it seems stupid to do so myself. Damn it man!
     
    Byzantine said:
    I dislike this argument as a sole reason to lynch someone when both other players eliminated by scum were competent and experienced vets. If you have more I'm open to it, though. Especially given QT is also in the game still and is a competent and experienced vet when he can be bothered to post.
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    First of all, we got three whole days to figure out what to do. This isn't my final lynch choice, just my current thoughts. Secondly, I forgot about QT being in the game.

    Hmm, I reckon that either Nictis or QT are scum, but of the two, I am most wary of Nictis as QT has been silent while Nictis in the main town leader. Should we mention what happened to us in the night? I can't remember if we decided that was good or not for town.
     
    Oshha said:
    First of all, we got three whole days to figure out what to do. This isn't my final lynch choice, just my current thoughts. Secondly, I forgot about QT being in the game.
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    Reasonable.

    As an unrelated warning: Thursday is Thanksgiving in the US, so I suspect a lot of the US players are going to be kidnapped and unable to reply very much. Given I'll be avoiding my family while stuck physically with my family I'll probably still be activeish.

    Oshha said:
    Hmm, I reckon that either Nictis or QT are scum, but of the two, I am most wary of Nictis as QT has been silent while Nictis in the main town leader. Should we mention what happened to us in the night? I can't remember if we decided that was good or not for town.
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    It's only useful if it gives unique information that doesn't expose you.

    I am more wary of Nictis as well. I just have a much stronger town read of him than QT, given I have no read of QT beyond "Has been on both town-lynch wagons, is deeply inactive despite being around, and has little to nothing else to show for his presence in the game." QT still has less posts than the newb you replaced on D1 for example, Oshha.
     
    Byzantine said:
    I am more wary of Nictis as well. I just have a much stronger town read of him than QT, given I have no read of QT beyond "Has been on both town-lynch wagons, is deeply inactive despite being around, and has little to nothing else to show for his presence in the game." QT still has less posts than the newb you replaced on D1 for example, Oshha.
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    Looking at things, I agree that I think QT is more likely to be scum, but I'm more afraid of Nictis being scum. I fancy my chances at dealing with scum!QT, but I don't think I could take a scum!Nictis.

    [X] Null

    I need to think about things more.

    As things stand, I think either QT or Nictis are scum if not both and while I got more of a scum read on QT than Nictis, I think that the latter is far more dangerous as scum than the former.
     
    Tykan said:
    @Byzantine, can you tell me again, what's the argument against Oshha?
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    Technically it isn't against Oshha, but against Dawiuz. Oshha just inherited it by virtue of replacing into the same slot. As for that argument, basically Daw tried casting shade at me right after a wagon against me got started without voting for me. This was a bit odd. He reacted very poorly to the pressure that resulted, with long winded and basically meaningless posts. This just made him more suspicious.

    He then vanished for about 36 hours then came back in a blaze of glory with even more long winded basically meaningless replies. It got to the point I was reading him as too wolfy to be a wolf (I think I'm using that right) after QT stepped up and mentioned that his scum partners shouldn't be letting him flail like this.

    Oshha himself hasn't done anything suspicious other than being part of both town lynches and aligned with QT both times, but that means very little, particularly as Meso could be town as well.
     
    ^ I don't think I missed anything important, but it starts on pages 4 and 5 and resumes on page 13 up until he decided the game wasn't for him and bailed.
     
    Byzantine said:
    Technically it isn't against Oshha, but against Dawiuz. Oshha just inherited it by virtue of replacing into the same slot. As for that argument, basically Daw tried casting shade at me right after a wagon against me got started without voting for me. This was a bit odd. He reacted very poorly to the pressure that resulted, with long winded and basically meaningless posts. This just made him more suspicious.

    He then vanished for about 36 hours then came back in a blaze of glory with even more long winded basically meaningless replies. It got to the point I was reading him as too wolfy to be a wolf (I think I'm using that right) after QT stepped up and mentioned that his scum partners shouldn't be letting him flail like this.

    Oshha himself hasn't done anything suspicious other than being part of both town lynches and aligned with QT both times, but that means very little, particularly as Meso could be town as well.
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    OK, thanks. So it comes down to sadly a rather weak argument, as his behaviour could just be chalked up to newbie with a bit of hot temper getting flak he felt unfair.
     
    I'd have said cop, but he gave very little in the way of reads, and I don't think Comi is going to make the mistake of not actually using the role.
     
    Tykan said:
    Well, he only had one night. Which could have given him any result... Hinting too early you know too much isn't good for your life expectancy.
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    Yeah, but you should be able to get away with "Strong town read" in a post. I don't see him ever having done that on D2 for anyone. I'm the one he was iffiest about vocally, and I know I'm town so...
     
    Sorry, just have to ask. If a tie happens (due to whatever reasons), does it get addressed somehow by the GM or do we only get the result?

    Just the situation is a bit weird to me. Storm Trooper Captain just screams multivoter at me and Nictis vote was very close to EOD...
     
    Tykan said:
    Sorry, just have to ask. If a tie happens (due to whatever reasons), does it get addressed somehow by the GM or do we only get the result?

    Just the situation is a bit weird to me. Storm Trooper Captain just screams multivoter at me and Nictis vote was very close to EOD...
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    Ties can do literally anything, it depends on GM fiat.
     
    Captain seems like cop to me if there's not like an imperial inquisitor. Vig would be another possibility but it seems unlikely given no extra kills in the cycle, outside of a 1shot type vig. I've seen no evidence of a multivoter yet.
     
    Yeah, I think a multivoter is unlikely. We've seen no sign of one yet and I don't believe that it is a common power either.
     
    *Sigh* Just gonna drop this here before I'll leave the game for the night.

    Why @Nictis, why?
    Nictis said:
    Ah, I just wanted to help explain that switching to prevent a tie onto someone you think as Town is, more often than not, a bad choice. If the wagons are small and between two people you think are Town, stick to your reads because it's easy for the wagons to turn around if people don't give in to the ominous pressure of 'but what if tie?' onto one that you like better. If the wagons are bigger, stick to your reads so people can see it easier. The people on the two wagons will be scrambling to fix the tie as is anyways, and there's still the chance that people will decide they like your wagon better.

    Switching onto someone you see as Town just looks like you don't care who gets lynched, which gives the feeling that you're scum. In the event of a tie, it's most likely not going to be worse than a mislynch anyways, so stick to your own conviction. That's how I feel about it at least. (That's not saying "never never switch ever," I just mean don't switch onto someone you expect to flip as Town. If someone makes a good point and you do decide to switch, just mention that. Some people might call it sheeping, but eh)
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    Nictis said:
    And two minutes to End.

    I'll admit, I'm not feeling any particularly strong lynches right now. So I'm just going to...

    [x] Null

    I was going to say that if it ties, we'll be able to hunt for the multivoter, but we're at 4-2 rather than 3-2. Could switch onto Meso, but I don't particularly want to lynch him right now?

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    [x] Lynch Mesonoxian

    Screw it, if it ties it's good info.
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    We had the whole discussion with Meso and the PMs, and why powerhunting is mostly good for scum. Town should avoid to blow PRs' cover. Here we have you three messages before EOD explaining why you shouldn't vote to lynch people you think of as town.
    In the next message you
    - say you don't think any of the two is scum. Or at least you aren't really convinced.
    - vote for the one with fewer votes while saying you would have favoured to make it a tie... cause you wanted to powerhunt. For a role that's more often than not town afaik.

    So you either wanted to powerhunt or make a giant smokescreen. Which is it?
     
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