Alright, so I'm not going to bother finishing the Day 1 time line. Just don't feel up to it, and it's Day 1 stuff.
But let's do Day 2.
Color coding is included. Red is wagon level, green is time and page gaps, purple is personal notes, blue and orange are read mentions.
Day 2, Start! (Page 32)
(Rosen has been lynched, Cyricubed is shot)
ComiTurtle (Comi) expresses surprise at who was killed.
Oshha questions if Cyricubed was a Power Role.
Comi gives
Meso a Town read and states that Scum didn't care about Day 1 Lynch.
-LostDeviljho (Lost) makes a cheeky comment on that.
Byzantine drops a prepared post. Gives
Nictis a Town read while questioning a
Nictis/Nanimani (Nani) and a
Nictis/Oshha connection. Slight suspicion on
QTesseract (QT), heavier suspicion on
1KBestK (1K),
Tykan and
InterstellarHobo (Hobo) for wagon activity and reasonings.
Oshha questions Comi on what made him think scum didn't care Day 1.
-Oshha and 1K give thoughts on why Rosen was lynched despite normally doing that as Town to Byzantine.
Page 33, Go!
Tykan explains Day 1 vote on Meso to Byzantine as having a Townread on both
Nictis and Rosen.
Nictis drops in to mention bad mood and building a timeline for the thread.
1K mentions that Scum are likely to be trying to take out less obvious Vets.
-QT agrees with this while cautioning that the bigger vets (Notably Nictis and QT) could be scum as an alternative explanation for the kill choice.
Oshha reinforces 1K's mention of Rosen being generally anti-town in behavior and so being a good lynch.
-Byzantine responds to repeated mention of Rosen being bad so lynching Rosen is good by saying it's an unproductive topic
(Considering what's been said of it so far, I actually agree. There wasn't a whole lot of wagon analysis, just a lot of people agreeing that Rosen was engaging in bad behavior)
Nani responds to Byzantine's earlier post by explaining vote shift and earlier suspicion of a Rosen/Nictis (BB) team, lightly shading QT ('I expect better from Town![x]' rather than just 'this is scummy'), appreciating mention of
Tykan and
1K's unreasoned votes D1, and voting 1K.
[1]
Oshha responds to Byzantine by saying that they understand but disagree, and give their own thoughts on the people voting for Rosen. Will be in the next line.
-
Thoughts. 1K (NAI) Nictis (Town, but it's Nictis so Neutral)
(I wholeheartedly approve of this mindset) Byzantine (Town, but scum can coach new players and Cyri died so NAI), Meso (Survival voting, NAI)
Comi (Town or Scum, but Scum either looking Town or protecting Meso.
Comi/Meso potential scumteam)
(This is a whole lot of 'But not really' in Oshha's reads)
1K responds to Nani's vote by saying getting angry isn't indicative for her, that the comparison to the last game didn't match because she didn't lynch Evenstar, and that she never gave reasons Day 1.
(On review, not sure I like this bit. Last game 1K didn't try to lynch Evenstar explicitly because I was supporting her and 1K thought that we were a block together and she wouldn't have been able to lynch Evenstar)
-Nani agrees that anger is NAI, but clarifies that he was pushing for the no-reasons vote.
-1K questions why Nani didn't give that reasoning before, and why Nani framed the reason for the vote as 1K getting angry instead. Questions why Nani is throwing shade for explaining reasons if the issue is not explaining reasons.
(This is fair on her end, I can see Nani's reasons on review but it's easy to miss)
-QTesseract explains Rosen vote as having a Townread on
Meso, and responds to 1K by attempting to clarify Nani's post.
Byzantine remains suspicious of
Meso but it is significantly lowered from recognizing a misunderstanding.
Tykan wants to question
Byzantine (Rosen's suspicion),
1K (Has expressed concern of Cyricubed being better able at reading her than the other way around) and
Nictis (Somewhat suspected by Cyricubed)
Oshha reiterates Rosen having had bad behavior. Wants to lynch
Meso but "that would only be helpful if they are scum" for determining associations from the Rosen lynch. Notes a suspicion in
Nictis,
Comi, and, to a lesser degree,
Hobo if Meso flips as Scum. Also suggests that if Meso is Town scum would have preferred to lynch Meso to keep Rosen alive.
(This feels kinda circular to me atm. I get what Oshha is saying here, but it kinda bugs me personally. 'If Meso is town, scum would have preferred to lynch Rosen. Therefore Meso is probably scum' is the feeling I get from it. Not bothering much with it since Oshha has already acknowledged alternative reasonings but on its own it's a yikes.)
Byzantine questions if anyone is roleblocked explicitly to learn about setup, also makes assumption that roleblocker is scum sided.
(Feels more new-ish than TMI to me personally)
Hobo questions the Rosen/Nictis association Nani had seen Day 1.
Page 34, several hours later.
Not much of note in the first couple of posts, Nictis and Tykan promise substantial activity in the near future and Byzantine excuses inactivity with the lack of other people to work off of.
Nictis posts partial Day 1 Timeline
Tykan posts partial ISO of Byzantine. Stealing the TLDR: Slight scumread on
Byzantine, potential for
Byzantine/Nictis team, very tentative.
-Byzantine responds to ISO by explaining mindset at various points and indirectly claiming non-scum with a point towards post count.
Oshha questions Nani's reasons for voting 1K, and votes QT for inactivity.
[1]
-Oshha is townleaning
Nictis (Due to BB)
1K (Overly sympathizing) and
Byzantine (But it's very weak because of Totadile from a previous game)
(Tempted not to color these Town leans because they're all prefaced with a 'But not really')
-Byzantine questions Oshha on Dawiusz's intent in the slot, and inactivity votes QT
[2]
1K explains that Nani is shading them for both not explaining and for explaining stuff. (Again, fair, but it seems to just be a misunderstanding that pretty much everyone made)
Oshha gives thoughts on what Dawiusz was doing.
Hobo votes Nani
[1] to try and incentivize a response to his earlier question and reasons for the 1K vote.
Meso reports that nothing of interest happened and asks others if they got the same message.
(I've already shared my thought on this.)
-1K, Hobo, Byzantine and Lost all respond in the affirmative.
Page 35, I added Lost's post to the last page but oh well.
ComiTurtle discourages people saying what night messages they received.
-ComiTurtle hints that the Technician could be a Jailer and that he hopes it wasn't the Cop.
Byzantine mentions beginning to Townread
Meso and
Comi for their roles in the mass night PM reveal. Also asks if anyone was roleblocked "because he wants to know Scum's powerset" and mentions it being useful if there is a cop and that "we already know scum have three powers - it's unlikely a godfather is getting a second power in a power light game like this one seems to be." (
Post)
(This is a pretty big amount of TMI now actually. Four scum and a Godfather)
Nani responds to questions of motives by apologizing for lack of clarity in regards to 1K and quoting two posts in regards to the Rosen/Nictis (BB) connection and sharing personal unupdated notes.
-Notes indicate likely teams of
Nictis/Oshha,
Nictis/Rosen, and unlikely teams of
Nictis/
Meso and
Nictis/
Daw. States that
Nictis and
Rosen are likely either scumteam or Town. Also states that Ossha appears to be attempting to chain mislynches.
Nictis playfully hints at why mass night reveals are bad for Town.
-Byzantine misunderstands but gets that the roleblocker doesn't know if the target is a power role or not.
-Hobo misunderstands and has an implicit belief that the roleblocker blocking the cop means that scum know the cop.
-Byzantine starts to misunderstand in response to Hobo, and demands that if anyone is roleblocked they should reveal such.
-LDJ and ComiTurtle clarify.
Hobo unvotes Nani
[0] and votes QT for inactivity
[3].
Nictis clarifies issue with mass night reveals, particularly following a lack of driving force behind the thread.
-1K jokingly claims Cop/Doc/Vig and nothing happening.
Page 36, let's a go!
Byzantine unvotes QT
[2] and memevotes 1KBestK
[2]
-Byzantine fixes his vote at the slight response from 1K. 1K
[1] and QT
[3] again.
Nictis jokingly quotes three people (1K, Byzantine and Meso) claiming to be working alone as a scumteam.
Hobo doesn't understand previous clarification and states that it's too easy for people to lie for it to matter.
(This feels deliberately obtuse to me personally)
1K jokingly claims rebel and asks other rebels to reveal.
-Nictis responds
Hobo guesses at the ability of the Technician role.
Nictis states uncertain suspicion on
Meso for potential info digging.
Byzantine lightly defends Meso as just making a series of beginner mistakes, with an unlikely potential of scum smokescreening stuff.
Nictis votes Hobo
[1] for a suspicion towards Hobo's apparent flippancy.
-Byzantine defends Hobo by discrediting my point as being weak evidence and Nictis having a reputation of railroading people on weak evidence, refusing to consider it unless Nictis gives him more than what they did.
-Nictis responds by pointing out the oddity in comparing that to the times they have forced lynches through, asking Byzantine to consider things himself, and a slight suspicion on
Byzantine for what appears to be a discredit attempt.
Hobo responds by saying that he preferred to be on a meaningful vote (The two main wagons) than 'a fancy null' for Day 1, and that Day 2 he just hasn't put in the effort to keep up suspicion on Nictis and Byzantine.
(Lynching Town reads because you'd rather be on an important wagon is still a bad look to me. Stick to your scumreads, don't lynch Town just because you have to lynch someone)
Oshha unvotes QT for no provided reason.
[2]
Nictis asks Comi for a read check on Meso, tells Byzantine not to dismiss their posts just for not being big when Byzantine knows that Nictis is willing to make large posts as scum to lynch people, and explains tie mechanics to Hobo and explains why it's best to stick to scumreads instead of switching to lynch someone you expect to be Town. Also clarifies suspicion on
Hobo and slight suspicion on
Byzantine.
Page 37, nearly over.
Oshha is not scumreading Nani, merely side-eyeing him. Votes Hobo for reasoning Nictis provided.
[2]
Mesonoxian defends info digging as proving that the 'nothing happened' PM isn't different from a lack of PM, that Scum already know who they targeted and that Town are likely to lie.
(Underlying belief is that the Roleblocker is Scum sided) States that Nictis is trying to push a mislynch on Meso while Byzantine backs off as a clever plan, asks Nictis for Town reads and claims that he has seen nothing to disbelieve in a
Byzantine/Nictis scumteam so far.
(If Town, is falling into the depths of paranoia and is making the worst possible construction out of events that aren't occurring. Alternatively, is scum that keeps pushing the same thing to avoid having to give more to the thread and attempt to discredit two Town) Hypocritically accuses Byzantine of trying to get people to reveal unnecessary info.
Byzantine apologizes for earlier posts at Nictis while stating to be townreading
Nictis but being wary, goes back to scumreading
Meso for their post on Byzantine.
Byzantine unvotes QT
[1] and votes Meso
[1] for his consistently strange behavior.
Byzantine and Meso have a back and forth because Byzantine is tired of Meso consistently being wrong about things and is unwilling to believe it's mistaken. Meso claims events of Day 1 that were not true in response.
Nictis responds with a post explaining the issue of assuming that the Roleblocker is non-Town, Town being caught lying, doing things that are pointless from the stated Town point of view, the trouble with trying to get people to give more information than they were willing to give in regards to night activities, the alternative Scum perspective where the questioning and attempts at digging serve a point rather than just expecting lies, and a question to if Meso is merely unaware of his hypocrisy.
-Meso responds by stating that he was not intending to scumhunt with that
(Which was not any part of the post he responded to, the accusation was hunting for Power Roles) he defends his pushing for info again by claiming to have just been checking to see if it was abnormal
(Or rather: If the GM was lying and stuff did happen to him) using the idea of a Town Roleblocker as more reason to suspect Byzantine, and voting Nictis while claiming to have thought to do so earlier.
[1]
Nictis questions claim of how Day 1 EoD occurred and listed what had actually happened in response to Meso stating wrong information to support a scumread on Nictis and Byzantine, and asking for clarification on why Meso is reading a Nictis/Byzantine team.
Oshha votes Meso for general behavior, reasoning, listing Day 1 events incorrectly and the vote on Nictis.
[2]
-Meso claims to not believe to have gotten anything wrong in the Day 1 events.
Nictis complains about people suspecting them without telling them why.
-Nictis provides quotes of Rosen Townreading Nictis and only suspecting Byzantine for knowing Nictis' playstyle as an observer.
Oshha points out that Rosen was Townreading Nictis and that the people on the verge of being lynched were Nictis, Meso, and Byzantine before things turned around onto Rosen rather than just being between Rosen and Meso.
Oshha gives reads list.
-
Nictis (Suspect for being too aligned with Oshha, tentative lean town)
1K (Tentative Town Lean)
Tykan (Tentative Town Lean)
Hobo (Neutral-Scum)
Byzantine (Neutral Town shifting to Neutral Scum)
Meso (Neutral-Scum) Nani (Neutral)
PAGE 38! WOO!
Meso claims to have missed the parts where I was up for the lynch Day 1 and didn't want to reread the whole thread.
(I am actively calling bullshit on this BTW. I was tied in votes since I subbed in, and Meso was there. Refusing to point at why he was scumreading me and Byzantine.) Attempts to defend self by questioning why he would be pushing us if scum, claiming to be close to being lynched for it, and stating that Nictis is trying to get him lynched because of the read check he did with Comi earlier and taking the earlier post explaining the issues in what he's was doing as a sign of Nictis calling him scum.
Oshha unvotes Meso
[1] and votes QT for inactivity
[2]
Nictis gets annoyed with Meso shifting events to continue scumreading and tells Meso to pull himself together and at least give the original reason for scumreading Nictis/Byzantine.
-1K also points out that corrections are not necessarily shade to Meso.
-Meso responds to 1K by saying that Nictis is casting things in the worst possible light, and responds to Nictis by saying that everytime he starts to doubt the scumread Nictis does something suspicious.
(I, personally, don't know where it is that he supposedly starts to doubt me being scum. He's been a nearly one hit note in almost all of our interactions)
-1K points out that casting things in the worst light was what Meso was doing, and provides an alternative and accurate explanation of what Nictis was doing.
Meso explains original suspicion on Nictis(BB)/Byzantine scum read. BB had pushed against Dawiusz when Dawiusz was suspecting Byzantine, Meso was afraid of Dawius getting hammered and suggested a BB/Byzantine scum team with no supporting reasoning. BB didn't like that, so Meso believed that BB and Byzantine were scum together despite other veterans explaining that BB isn't that aggressive in defending other scum. Byzantine called Meso's statistical explanation for finding Scum and Non-Scum scummy and Meso had seen Nictis log in once, so they're an obvious scumteam.
(Ignoring that I wasn't caught up on the thread and couldn't exactly dictate anyone on what to do. If Town, it's a whole truckload of confirmation bias with a side of ignoring alternative explanations or the idea of coincidences.)
-Second part of post is paranoia and reading me asking Comi to check a read and Byzantine saying it's probably new player mistakes as setting up to lynch Meso.
Hobo is okay with lynching QT on inactivity, is suspecting Nictis/Byzantine and then is suspecting Meso.
(This feels like mislynch setup if Meso is Town)
Nani gives vague response to Oshha's questioning and reads
Meso as neutral-Town for the sole reason of feeling genuine in suspecting Nictis/Byzantine.
Nani claims to be okay with a QT lynch.
QT votes Nanimani
[1] for his vote on 1K and appearing to setup a future mislynch with Rosen/Nictis suspicion.
Meso unvotes Nictis
[0] in response to aggravation post and because it's a Hammer game.
Comi gives a catchup commentary post. Byzantine is in the uncanny valley of not likely being partnered with a vet but still leading Comi's mind astray, Oshha could be seen as setting up a mislynch but Comi liked Dawiusz so it's a side thought,
Tykan suspects
Nani on a gutread from Day 1.
ComiTurtle suggests that Cyri was a Watcher/Tracker and admits to trying to bait a Jailed reaction from scum, suspects
Meso on review of claim, questions Tykan's previous suspicion on Comi going unmentioned, and votes Meso
[2]
-Tykan explains the lack of slight suspicion on Comi.
Hobo does an ISO on Nictis, states no reason to suspect
Nictis, a higher suspicion on
Meso, and an intent to read Byzantine.
Oshha unvotes QT for responding
[1] (Stating this as not indicative of or against being in a team with QT personally. I've done it as scum and I've done it as Town, no point holding an inactivity vote when they're being active) and votes Nani for a kind of apparent vacant shading.
[2] (Will note that this follows QT though)
Page 39: Stort!
Oshha states being okay with a Meso or Nani lynch while referring to the tally.
(Two votes on both Meso and Nani, one on QT and Hobo. Seems odd to call attention to the tally for it when Oshha could switch those wagons around single-handedly and had only just made it so that Nani wasn't at a single vote)
Hobo questions Nictis on timeline building, mentions that the VT claim from Meso is harmless on its own, and gives explanation of earlier suspicion.
-Asks Oshha to provide quotes.
-Tykan asks 1K for new reads, citing a lack of Day 2 content.
Byzantine responds to Comi on the BB mention, and tells Hobo that Meso claiming VT wasn't harmless. Doesn't call it scummy, but explains why it can be bad for Town to reveal that Vanillas exist.
-Hobo acknowledges and asks Nictis why he explained ties
Oshha explains vote on Nani as not having good reasons to vote 1K, being unnecessarily vague in response to Oshha and not giving hard stances, that Nani was being suspicious of Oshha
(Noting that that is not seen in the quote Oshha pulled. Nani was referring to his own quote as being obtuse in reading why he was voting 1K, not saying that Oshha missing it was suspicious), claims that Nani is being evasive and implying stuff
(Nani was talking about people voting for Town reasons not necessarily meaning that the play is anti-Town, and the first bit was outright saying that it looked like Oshha was trying to set up a series of mislynches. Not exactly implying) and that his read on
Nani is only lean-scum.
LDJ notes a tie in the votes, states to not have any scum reads.
Hobo points out Nani's reasoning and says that it was pretty clear to him in response to Oshha.
-Oshha responds by saying that 'reasoning B' (To clarify: Having voted to lynch a Townie without any provided reasoning) isn't reason enough for Nani to have voted 1K, repeating that Nani has been implying things rather than stating them, and has gotten slight scum-or-newbie vibes from Meso and is willing to lynch them instead.
Hobo examines
Meso's provided reasoning for his vote and calls it as flailing Town.
-Byzantine says that was his initial read on Meso, but that it seems scummy in how obsessive it is. Also is okay with a Nani lynch because the explanations were okay but the behavior could be abused by scum.
-Hobo unvotes QT
[0] and votes Nani
[3] for bad reasoning.
Page 40. THE END IS NEIGH!
Byzantine notes LDJ not voting Day 1 or having a vote at EoD2.
QT leans Scum at
Nani and leans Town at
Meso.
Nictis asks if Hobo is Townreading Nani.
Tykan votes Nani
[4] for Day 1 suspicion and seeing the vote on 1K as bad because it was obvious 1K would vote Rosen and Nani didn't follow up with pressure or investigation.
(Attributed reasoning to QT)
Nictis compares reasoning of Nani being vague from Oshha to Nani's post, determines that it is slightly supported in the first line only.
Nictis unvotes Hobo
[0] and votes Mesonoxian
[3] to see if there is a hidden multivoter voting for Mesonoxian.
Day ends.
