Augury skill, interesting. I definitely want to try and get a spot on the college of Pontiffs from Scaevola now. To pull that off, we're going to need to get richer or more politically important, preferably both. Fortunately, we've got the rich provinces of Asia to loot. It's a start.

@Telamon , Does Atellus have any idea what it would take to be a plausible candidate for the college of Pontiffs?
 
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For this (canon) omake, one which definitely gave me a lot of ideas on what to do with Sulla, have a final 1000 Augury XP, which is Atellus' only mechanical gain from this omake. The Pythia, the Voice of the God, has spoken to Lucius Cornelius Sulla of his destiny. He rises up to shake the sand, giving him a negative modifier on all diplomacy and augury actions. He will treat Sertorius, Marius, and anyone he believes to be part of the prophecy significantly more harshly than he would OTL (yes, Sulla can get harsher), and searches for one 'dark without and deep within'. What is more, he seeks his promised renown on Eastern shores, and will not return to Rome until he has soundly beaten one of Mithridates' armies.
...damnit, the situation got even worse.
 
@Telamon

I get that you go with a fairly mystical origin story here but I thought that even there one of the key elements of Rome's founding was that it were people from different people/tribes that founded the city. Which I think is quite important since it at least partly explains why Rome tended to be a bit more "openminded" /flexible when it came to its citizenship.
 
Camp Discussions

You sit outside your open tent, enjoying the last warm days of summer as you put the finishing touches on your latest letter to Cicero. It is there that Rufus finds you.
"Ave, Atellus! What manuscript is that, some treatise on law or command?"
"Ave, Rufus. No, this is a letter for Cicero. He is by far the best letter writer I have ever corresponded with."
"It boggles the mind, that you can follow anything in that absurdly large pile of paper. Your last reply took me a few days to review!"

The two of you exchange banter as you walk the perimeter of the winter camp. Eventually, your conversation comes back around to the siege. "You know, Rufus, even though I recommended that we set winter quarters here, I can see the merits of Carcellus' plan. It was the factions of officers who wanted to keep the pressure on Meddix that convinced me otherwise. The next problem is the city wall. It's what, about twelve meters? And a fairly small perimeter, all told. Storming the walls becomes an unpleasant prospect from there."
"Atellus, don't pretend you know enough about siege engineering to bluff me! While you've been running patrols with those horrid Gauls, I've been working with the architects on our siege works. Just watch and learn, I'll show you one of the things that will help us win this city."
So saying, Rufus leads you to a construction site where the architects are erecting the foundations of what looks to be a wooden tower. There are additional foundations , but what draws your eye is the siege machine being assembled nearby. Two wooden arms poking through a twisted bundle of ropes, a basket of bolts the size of pila --
"This, my friend, is a scorpio, and there will be more mounted atop the towers. Ideally, they'll be taller than the walls, so we can shoot down on them, while they will have to shoot up at us. Sertorius hasn't had cause to employ them yet, but this will be a good opportunity. I am told one bolt can run through three men before coming to a halt. If we can make use of these, no one will want to stand atop the walls and suffer their fire."
"Well, that certainly is intimidating. I would assume that this scorpio is best employed against large formations of men, than static defenses. Unless you can somehow employ burning pitch or the like without setting the whole construct aflame?"

Rufus ponders it a bit, before responding, "Perhaps, I'll have to consult with the engineers. But if we can get the towers up enough that we can see into the city..."
You pick up on Rufus' thoughts, "We might be able to pick out important structures, such as granaries, or barracks. A massed fire attack at range could certainly prove disruptive, and even if it fails, the defenders would have to use some of their precious water supply."
"Well reasoned! If you could mention it to Sertorius in your sessions, I can consult with the engineers. Hah! a tribune's work is never done."
"Too right you are. Sometimes it feels like everything is on fire, and we must put out the biggest fires first."
"Well, gods and Sertorius willing, Appius Meddix will soon have that same feeling, only hotter."
"Agreed, my friend. Now, duty calls."
"Don't tell me you'll make me review your letter, my eyes went cross-eyed after just a few pages!"

Fake Edit: I should not be writing at 5AM, but here you go.

Atellus gains 500 XP to Intelligence, bringing you up to (2559/10000) to Rank 16.

Rufus has begun to look into siegecraft and it's applications. Expect him to be better at engineering and the siegecraft skill (the what, Atellus asks in dismay?)
Sharp words and swords
The clattering of swords on armour and shields against shields filled the air as two men did their best to push the other out of the sparring circle on the ground. Shield battering, sword slashing, always on sure footing, fighting as they would a mortal foe.

Or rather, Quintus Cingulatus Atellus, tribune of the Sixth Legion "Gradivius", was fighting his opponent as he would one of Meddix' own warriors. Lucius Proculus Mercator, primus pilum of that very same legion, had yet to show the same grim determination Atellus had seen before at Aequum Tuticum, Aeclanum and at the Tabelline Pass. The man seemed to enjoy bashing the younger man around.

Not that Atellus truly could tell with that stoic look Mercator had adopted for this match.

However, the tribune had an inkling from where that impression came from. It got clearer with every time the first sword battered Atellus' gladius out of his hand and rammed his shield into the tribune, effectively throwing Atellus out of the ring. Like he had just now.

"Up boy, this match is not yet over. And use your damned shield more often. There is a reason we Romans make them so big."

Yes, outside this particularly ring Mercator would never address him as "boy". The pure relish in Mercator's voice showed that he enjoyed it, even if the face would not reveal the same.
Any other day Atellus would have bristled at the words as he picked himself up. Ever slower with every time his back would touch the ground. Among the legionaries of the Sixth serving in his capacity as tribune he would have seen to Mercator's punishment himself.

However, this was sparring and Atellus had been the one who had wanted to test his mettle against the primus pilum. As accomplished as he was a fighter, there was yet so much to learn from this man who had made his way to the first century of the first cohort.

Still, his losses were certainly a cold rain on the fire that was the pride Atellus had felt swell inside him ever since he had joined the siege at Nola.

Thankfully Tercerus was not around to witness all his lessons fail to make a difference in this fight. That last thought made him chuckle.

"Last time you had laid me out, you had told me that I used the shield too often, that I exposed myself."

"And last time you had used your shield too often, just as you have used it now far too rarely," Mercator replied, carefully eyeing the young tribune as he crossed the line in the sand and entered the ring once more.

"Now pick your blade up, we'll fight one more time."

And the battering and clashing and slashing resumed once more, but this time slower than before. Atellus was not fool enough to think that the autumn sun or exhaustion had finally taken their toll on the older man and he doubted that he used his shield any better than before. Whatever the reason was, the fighting came to a halt as Mercator's eyes bored deeper into Atellus' than they had since the first sword had first met the green tribune Atellus had been.

"I did you a disservice."

"My aches tell me differently."

"You'll live, boy. No, I did you a disservice at Aeclanum. I would never have thought that sly words and promises would ever turn down Samnite swords and spears. Imagine the looks of Romans and Hirpini alike when news reached us of the Pentrii turning their backs on Gemino," Mercator said. Or spat in the case of the Samnite rebel's name.

"I imagine it must have been quite a shock to some."

Mercator drew closer as he chuckled.

"The Hirpini looked like the sky had just crashed down on them. They had been hoping that they could get more gold, more promises out of the legate. And then they heard that a Roman boy swayed an entire Samnite tribe with words alone."

"Sertorius was quite pleased with you, Atellus. He even sent out a rider to get a copy of your speech at Aquilonia. In his tent he said that he had been jesting when he said that next you would deliver him Samnium," Mercator said in good humour and his face relaxed just a bit.

"'Sword and hand' the Hirpini whisper among themselves and in Abellinum men of learning and peasants alike know of what you said. And what Rome promises. I am certain these words have spread through all of Samnium by now."

At that Mercator looked up to the sky, before settling his eyes on Atellus again.

" And I do not doubt that the tale of your work in Bovianum has reached Rome and your patron. I'm sure that Scaevola Pontifex must be pleased with himself."

And suddenly, a sharp pain struck Atellus' head as Mercator hit his helmet with his pommel. One shield bash later, Atellus laid in the sand once more.

"But wars are not just won with well placed words alone. Weapons and soldiers have to be kept sharp at all times. Up boy, we go another round."



So, I tried my hand at this, I can't promise anything good and it's not particularly long, but this had been stuck in my head for a while now. Tell me if there are glaring mistakes or if I could have done something better.

800 XP to combat, for a total of (5,490/10000) to Rank 11. Lucius Proculus Mercator now considers you a friend.

man, if we had a more granular control of Quintus we could do soo much mayhem...
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"We're here outside the recently discovered tomb of the famous inventor, statesman, and general Quintus Cingulatus Atellus whose numerous contributions to natural philosophy and engineering were the backbone of the success of the late Republic and early Empire. Though this tomb was discovered and identified last month it was only last week that the main chamber was carefully breached. The finding inside they tell me are of incredible historical and scientific interest, here we have doctor Max Tiber for more about the artifacts."

"Thank you and good evening! We here at the site are incredibly exited at this find not only because we found the fabled Cingulatus hidden burial site, but because besides the usual funerary chamber contents (body, jewelry, art pieces, etc) we also found 28 thin brass tablets inscribed in incredible detail presumably by the owner of the tomb. these were stored in a wax sealed granite chest. One on top of another with layers of blood soaked papyrus and diatomaceous earth between them. The care in preserving them is not the most impressive of the find though, but their contents. On the topmost tablet alone we can read π to the 500th decimal and on the rest we've managed to identify so far: (photos appear on screen)

a full solar system diagram with estimated orbital periods, a table of elements with expected atomic weights denoted in multiples of hydrogen as units, a DNA diagram, a map of the world including continents that were not discovered until much later, and a calendar of expected solar eclipses, and several others that we have not yet deciphered!"

"That's... that's amazing doctor! but how could you be sure sure these are authentic and not an elaborate hoax from some previous archeologist?"

"Ah yes, well, we did suspect that at first but the several intact clay seals on the site and the inscription on the container convinced us otherwise"

"How so?"

"Well, the granite chest was engraved in bass relief with what we have identified as a Carbon atom whose atomic nucleus contains 6 protons and 8 neutrons..."

"Carbon-14 dating..."

"Yes! Exactly! the papyrus and wax ¹⁴C content matched the appropriate time period and what little DNA we could amplify via PCR matched the body found inside"

"So what can we make from this information doctor?"

"We... Frankly are not sure what to make from this! Some may make sense if we imagine it as a visionary genius but there are so many weird details like information he would have absolutely no way to obtain or his weird choice of index date in his calendars, 104 years after his birth (or 2 before his death) that might coincide with a rumored infant massacre by a Hebrew king of the time."

"Thank you Doctor, This was Domitia Didius for Empire News Network!"

And 600 XP to Education, bringing you up to (1100/10000)

Lastly, 170 XP for the last 17 pages of discussion, bringing you all up to 4,050 XP in the bank.
 
Augury skill, interesting. I definitely want to try and get a spot on the college of Pontiffs from Scaevola now. To pull that off, we're going to need to get richer or more politically important, preferably both. Fortunately, we've got the rich provinces of Asia to loot. It's a start.

@Telamon , Does Atellus have any idea what it would take to be a plausible candidate for the college of Pontiffs?

The current application process consists of taking your lips and applying them firmly to the rear end of either Marius or Cinna, whichever is closest.

@Telamon

I get that you go with a fairly mystical origin story here but I thought that even there one of the key elements of Rome's founding was that it were people from different people/tribes that founded the city. Which I think is quite important since it at least partly explains why Rome tended to be a bit more "openminded" /flexible when it came to its citizenship.

The Kingdom of Rome post is the history of Rome as Atellus knows it, and even there we see Roman cosmopolitanism: first the Sabines, then the various Latin tribes, are absorbed into Rome and become Romans. The initial founders were Latins from across Italy, but those given the most prestige and renown in myth are, of course, the Alba Longan settlers who supposedly descend from Venus and followed Romulus himself.
 
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That leaves us at:
Bank: 4,050 XP
Pending
: 2,000 XP on learning skill Augury; a further 2,000 Augury XP and a free Rank of Intelligence on meeting the Pythia; one reroll on a failed interaction with a Sullan.

Stats:
Military: Accomplished (13) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (6793/10000) to Rank 14
Charisma: Accomplished (11) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (3300/10000) to Rank 12
Stewardship: Poor (4) -- (Levels 4) (-2 Modifier) -- (1200/4000) to Rank 5 (No Modifier)
Intelligence: Renowned (15) -- (Levels 15-17) (+4 Modifier) -- (2559/15000) to Rank 16
Education: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (2600/10000) to Rank 11
Subterfuge: Average (7) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (800/7000) to Rank 8 (+1 Modifier)
Skills:
Combat: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (5490/10000) to Rank 11
Oratory: Accomplished (11) --(Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (2326/10000) to Rank 12
Command: Proficient (8) -- (Levels 8-9) (+1 Modifier) -- (2826/8000) to Rank 9
Engineering: Abysmal (1) -- (Levels 0-1) (-6 Modifier) -- (0/1000) to Rank 2 (-4 Modifier)
Seafaring: Very Poor (2) -- (Levels 2-3) (-4 Modifier) -- (500/2000) to Rank 3
Logistics: Very Poor (2) -- (Levels 2-3) (-4 Modifier) -- (1873/2000) to Rank 3
Law: Proficient (9) -- (Levels 8-9) (+1 Modifier) -- (4535/9000) to Rank 10 (+2 Modifier)
Philosophy: Average (5) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (374/5000) to Rank 6
Administration: Average (5) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (4250/5000) to Rank 6
Diplomacy: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (620/10000) to Rank 11
 
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Does having a full Intelligence level, essentially 15k XP, waiting for us, change our training priorities? Should we leave Intelligence alone or hammer it as hard as possible, in the hopes of maximizing gains?
 
Does having a full Intelligence level, essentially 15k XP, waiting for us, change our training priorities? Should we leave Intelligence alone or hammer it as hard as possible, in the hopes of maximizing gains?
Leveling Intelligence appears to be really hard. I feel we should just continue our slow push to write letter to fellow intellectuals and study philosophy & Greek. In the end that free Rank makes reaching Epic Intelligence a much more achieveable goal!

@Simon_Jester If you switch out Seafaring now that we are Rank 2, I will approval vote for your plan.
 
I'd say we should focus on boosting Military to Renowned.

If we drop just over 3000 XP we bring it up to 14. From there it's just one more level (admittedly 15k) to bring it up to Renowned. Between reading up on military stuff and actual fights, we could hit Military 15 within a few turns.
 
@Simon_Jester You fool! You've messed with the natural order!
Actually you will find that this is totally not my fault... :D

See, Sulla looting Delphi wasn't my idea. That happened in real life, so blame him for that.

The only difference is that Apollo, while no more pissed in this timeline, has less divine interference in his attempts to screw over 'Lucky Lucius' AKA Sulla, because Athena/Minerva is otherwise occupied. Which is in turn because Atellus the Younger actually exists in this timeline, with the original 'patient zero' butterfly being Lucius Cingulatus Atellus' appeal to the gods of Carthage.

So it's all Atellus the Elder's doing. :D

Augury skill, interesting. I definitely want to try and get a spot on the college of Pontiffs from Scaevola now.
Notably, we knew that was a thing before. Remember that when we attacked Aeclanum, there was an augury and it was unfavorable. Because the augur the First Cohort had with it had Poor Augury and a -2 on the die roll.

But yeah, we're already in a good starting position to angle for a priesthood of Mars. Being as how we, uh, literally founded a blood cult to him. :p

...damnit, the situation got even worse.
Well, yes... and then again no.

For example, good news, Sulla isn't going to march on Rome while we're tied up fighting Mithridates, at least not until he's decisively beaten at least one Mithridatic army. Some of us were worrying about that. Bad news, Cinna probably doesn't know that, or he'd have been willing to send Marius another legion or two I suspect.

Bad news, Sulla will be harsher with Marius and Sertorius personally. Neutral news, that basically just reduces to how unpleasant their deaths are likely to be if they ever fall into his hands anyway, and either of those men would have known to fall upon their swords rather than let Sulla capture them as it is. Good news, if Sulla actually heeds the one vaguely helpful piece of advice in the entire prophecy that was otherwise unilaterally intended to screw him over through deliberately misleading wording, he'll be looking for a man "dark without and deep within" to "bind him to you if you can, the odds are on the [Athena-affiliated] man." That... might benefit us, in principle.

That leaves us at:
Bank: 4,050 XP
Pending
: 2,000 XP on learning skill Augury; a further 2,000 Augury XP and a free Rank of Intelligence on meeting the Pythia; one reroll on a failed interaction with a Sullan.

Stats:
Military: Accomplished (13) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (6793/10000) to Rank 14
Charisma: Accomplished (11) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (3300/10000) to Rank 12
Stewardship: Poor (4) -- (Levels 4) (-2 Modifier) -- (1200/4000) to Rank 5 (No Modifier)
Intelligence: Renowned (15) -- (Levels 15-17) (+4 Modifier) -- (2559/15000) to Rank 16
Education: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (2600/10000) to Rank 11
Subterfuge: Average (7) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (800/7000) to Rank 8 (+1 Modifier)
Skills:
Combat: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (5490/10000) to Rank 11
Oratory: Accomplished (11) --(Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (2326/10000) to Rank 12
Command: Proficient (8) -- (Levels 8-9) (+1 Modifier) -- (2826/8000) to Rank 9
Engineering: Abysmal (1) -- (Levels 0-1) (-6 Modifier) -- (0/1000) to Rank 2 (-4 Modifier)
Seafaring: Very Poor (2) -- (Levels 2-3) (-4 Modifier) -- (500/2000) to Rank 3
Logistics: Very Poor (2) -- (Levels 2-3) (-4 Modifier) -- (1873/2000) to Rank 2.
Law: Proficient (9) -- (Levels 8-9) (+1 Modifier) -- (4535/9000) to Rank 10 (+2 Modifier)
Philosophy: Average (5) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (374/5000) to Rank 6
Administration: Average (5) -- (Levels 5-7) (No Modifier) -- (4250/5000) to Rank 6
Diplomacy: Accomplished (10) -- (Levels 10-14) (+2 Modifier) -- (620/10000) to Rank 11
Interesting. We may wish to consider using free XP to 'tap' Logistics, Administration, or possibly Stewardship to the next level. Any or all of those skills could be useful to us in the coming turns, and all of them are relative weaknesses for us- we could afford to complete all of them by spending down the bank, spending 127, 750, and 2800 points respectively.

On the other hand, only the Stewardship expenditure would actually kick us up into the next modifier tier.

Does having a full Intelligence level, essentially 15k XP, waiting for us, change our training priorities? Should we leave Intelligence alone or hammer it as hard as possible, in the hopes of maximizing gains?
The gods only know when we'll get a chance to travel to Delphi at this rate; we're pretty much legally bound to follow around whichever legion the Senate assigns us to for the next nine years or so.

Leveling Intelligence appears to be really hard. I feel we should just continue our slow push to write letter to fellow intellectuals and study philosophy & Greek. In the end that free Rank makes reaching Epic Intelligence a much more achieveable goal!

@Simon_Jester If you switch out Seafaring now that we are Rank 2, I will approval vote for your plan.
I will be doing so forthwith.

I'd say we should focus on boosting Military to Renowned.
I'd say we should definitely look for sources of Military XP, but not spend free XP on it because we're like 18000 XP away from actually 'leveling up' in terms of our modifier. The return on investment for Subterfuge or Intelligence is going to be more favorable, as is that of any of our low-rank skills like Engineering, Logistics, and Administration.
 
But yeah, we're already in a good starting position to angle for a priesthood of Mars. Being as how we, uh, literally founded a blood cult to him. :p
My joke theocracy route is gaining more ground! :p

I probably will try to write up something about that idea, seeing as it has stayed in my head even now. It won't get anywhere near canon, but I still find it fun.
 
[X] Plan Make Connections and Study v2

I'm approval-voting @Random Member 's plan, as I said I would do. Because it has Training.

[X] Plan Dual Command
-[X] Make Terms
-[X] Promote Centurions
-[X] Brothers in Arms
-[X] Training
-[X] Correspondence:
--[X] Cicero
-[X] The Crone of Bithynia
-[X] The Cult
-[X] Study (Marius' Campaigns)
-[X] Res Publica
-[X] The Marians
-[X] The Prince

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OK, I have altered my plan. Apologies to anyone who voted for it because they really really really wanted to level up Seafaring again, and I'll make sure to tag everyone affected by that. I have switched out Seafaring for Res Publica. I chose this because the actions Training, Res Publica, Study (Marius' Campaigns), and The Marians strike me as likely to synergize into one big "this is how to legion" package. Like, we train our legionnaires to fight properly, and pit them in shoving matches against each other and so on, and this in turn gives us insight into the tactics of the legions, which we can talk over with Marius' subordinates and trainees, in conversations informed by our studies of Marius' campaigns which they may have participated in, which in turn informs the way we train our men.

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See previous paragraph.
 
I'd say we should focus on boosting Military to Renowned.

If we drop just over 3000 XP we bring it up to 14. From there it's just one more level (admittedly 15k) to bring it up to Renowned. Between reading up on military stuff and actual fights, we could hit Military 15 within a few turns.
I'd say we should definitely look for sources of Military XP, but not spend free XP on it because we're like 18000 XP away from actually 'leveling up' in terms of our modifier. The return on investment for Subterfuge or Intelligence is going to be more favorable, as is that of any of our low-rank skills like Engineering, Logistics, and Administration.

It would be 10k to the next level, not 15k. But yeah I agree Renowned Military is definitely a goal I want to reach by the end of this campaign. The Samnite War was a bit of a let down in that regard, giving us less than 7,000 Military XP total.

Also I remain opposed to spending free XP on levelling Logistic, Engineering or similar skills from very bad to just bad. Either way we are likely to outsource them. The only exceptions would be an impending siege (where commander Logistics seem to apply) or another ship voyage.
 
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Speakig of prophecy, some reinterpretation of the first one in the thread, since i just ran into it again on my reread. Specifically, this line:
Last and greatest of all, fear and love wait before you, two sides of the same coin, twinned like life and death."
I originally thought this was just a reference to Machiavelli's famous line about love, fear, and hate. However, with the relatively high frequency of "start working on finding a wife" options, I'm beginning to think this means he has a dramatic romance arc that he wants to write.
 
It would be 10k to the next level, not 15k. But yeah I agree Renowned Military is definitely a goal I want to reach by the end of this campaign. The Samnite War was a bit of a let down in that regard, giving us less than 7,000 Military XP total.

Also I remain opposed to spending free XP on levelling Logistic, Engineering or similar skills from very bad to just bad. Either way we are likely to outsource them. The only exceptions would be an impending siege (where commander Logistics seem to apply) or another ship voyage.
To be fair, Marius was correct in lessening how important the war was. It was basically a guerilla war against bandits and militias rather than a true, full-scale war against militaries of equal measure.

It was important in the sense of being an objective that Rome needs to achieve to consolidate their power close to home, but not in the sense of actually beating down fellow military powers like the ever-ancient Egypt, the insurgent Pontus, or the great Parthian Persia.
 
We really need to level Logistics... because thats like the most important part of the school of Warfare.
 
OK, I have altered my plan. Apologies to anyone who voted for it because they really really really wanted to level up Seafaring again, and I'll make sure to tag everyone affected by that. I have switched out Seafaring for Res Publica. I chose this because the actions Training, Res Publica, Study (Marius' Campaigns), and The Marians strike me as likely to synergize into one big "this is how to legion" package. Like, we train our legionnaires to fight properly, and pit them in shoving matches against each other and so on, and this in turn gives us insight into the tactics of the legions, which we can talk over with Marius' subordinates and trainees, in conversations informed by our studies of Marius' campaigns which they may have participated in, which in turn informs the way we train our men.
Which plan is yours? The tally system is being weird for me.
 
That sounds like a horrible idea, Having at least a marginal aptitude in logistics is a requirement, i am like 68% sure thats in Sun Tzu.

It is better to be the best at leading the army with a subordinate whom is superior than you at supplying the army, rather than being the best at supplying the army with a subordinate whom is better at leading.

Cause it is then your subordinate leading your men to victory, rather than you leading them to victory
 
It is better to be the best at leading the army with a subordinate whom is superior than you at supplying the army, rather than being the best at supplying the army with a subordinate whom is better at leading.

Cause it is then your subordinate leading your men to victory, rather than you leading them to victory
OR you can be great at commanding and have enough familiarity with logistics that its not your subordinate doing the actual work and your really just the face of the leadership rather than doing anything important
Wow False Dichotomies are fun. No but seriously its not One or the Other.
 
OR you can be great at commanding and have enough familiarity with logistics that its not your subordinate doing the actual work and your really just the face of the leadership rather than doing anything important
Wow False Dichotomies are fun. No but seriously its not One or the Other.
Naturally, but if we were choosing one over the other, being able to lead armies is better than being able to supply them, at least in this period of antiquity
 
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