Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice


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If there was a Magnemite bandwagon later I'd bite my tongue and get out of the way. Can't like everything Kotone gets, right? And it would suit her goals down to the ground.

(But I do hold out hope at least one Pokemon will be fluffy.)

So, question: min/max for maximum power, or hedge our bets for small, safe, consistent gains? Discuss. It's basically the Scyther vs Oddish question, writ large.
 
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If there was a Magnemite bandwagon later I'd bite my tongue and get out of the way. Can't like everything Kotone gets, right? And it would suit her goals down to the ground.

(But I do hold out hope at least one Pokemon will be fluffy.)

So, question: min/max for maximum power, or hedge our bets for small, safe, consistent gains? Discuss. It's basically the Scyther vs Oddish question, writ large.
Personally, the model I'd go with would be "bootstrap for increasingly powerful mon", where we use the pokemon we've captured to go for increasingly more ambitious targets, once we can do so safely.
 
I think we should get something to counter our fire or flying type weakness with Oddish, since it would be fairly easy to encounter when fighting Pokemon and humans, compared to ice or psychic.
A solid rock type? Geodude? Brock approves!
 
Hard to say, for me. I wasn't really a Gen1 girl, though I've dug out my old Gold game and am happily collecting my favorites. In Gen2 it has to be Mareep, I use them every time. They're fluffy, reliable, and great for electrocuting your enemies.
 
You create an environment where we are forced to spend critically limited resources in an environment of limited information. You make it clear that the chance of failure is high, and the consequences for failure are losing literally everything, and then going back to lose everything again, four more times, so that we can have the unique experience of losing 5 everythings by the end. This is not the sort of fun-loving atmosphere that encourages people to grab mystery boxes. Please do not mock us by implying that it is.


What the heck is wrong with magnemite? I'll agree that murkrow isn't ever going to be anyone's poster child for "they can be more than just weapons", but magnemite?
Man, Sirro, you got a lot more prickly over the years.

Anyway, Magnemite is susceptible to high-energy EMP, just like most non-organic Pokémon, including Porygon, Voltorb, etc.
 
Man, Sirro, you got a lot more prickly over the years.

Anyway, Magnemite is susceptible to high-energy EMP, just like most non-organic Pokémon, including Porygon, Voltorb, etc.
So... enough electricity would actually harm and disable these Pokémon? Even though they are resistant to electric type attacks? Or would an EMP be sort of electric/steel attack?
 
Man, Sirro, you got a lot more prickly over the years.
I suppose I did... and it seems pretty clear that at least some of the attitude I'm bringing is not warranted by the person you currently are, but emotional memory runs deep, and back in the day, man, on some of your quests, you were *mean*. I haven't really be around to see you mellow, so I'm not really giving you credit for the improvements you've made. You do seem a fair bit better now.
 
So... enough electricity would actually harm and disable these Pokémon? Even though they are resistant to electric type attacks? Or would an EMP be sort of electric/steel attack?
Bit too early for me to wrestle with that right now, just assume it's a race- thing and not a type- thing.

I suppose I did... and it seems pretty clear that at least some of the attitude I'm bringing is not warranted by the person you currently are, but emotional memory runs deep, and back in the day, man, on some of your quests, you were *mean*. I haven't really be around to see you mellow, so I'm not really giving you credit for the improvements you've made. You do seem a fair bit better now.
Yeah I was cruel in LIBRA 1, which i remember as my first real successful quest, I think..? BtS came later, right?

Didn't I already mellow out some by the time Palette Swap came around?

I blame all the invisitext hardmode quests I was into when I first started QMing.
 
Yeah I was cruel in LIBRA 1, which i remember as my first real successful quest, I think..? BtS came later, right?

Didn't I already mellow out some by the time Palette Swap came around?

I blame all the invisitext hardmode quests I was into when I first started QMing.
Palette Swap was pretty chill. That was the one where we roflstomped everything by throwing silly amounts of omake points at powering up. Libra 1 seemed like it was all about trying to get us to make decisions that would get us killed. I also in particular recall Equilibrium (the second quest that followed more or less this format) as one where we picked a pokemon, we had a plan, you came along and gave us some piece of information or event that for whatever reason destroyed that plan, forcing us to change pokemon, except of course we'd already spent precious and irreplaceable days on the earlier plan so we had to switch to a less ambitious pokemon in order to make things work with the resources we had left... and this happened *multiple times*. You seemed to be clearly enjoying the process of serially crushing our (in-character) dreams, until we finally had to settle for the most mediocre pokemon we could find, because we simply weren't allowed to have nice things. Yes, part of me is still a bit bitter about that.


Still, as noted, it looks like you really haven't done that this time. It might be because the thread decided to go for an opposite-of-ambitious pokemon to begin with, but I do believe you've mellowed. The fact that you had Nurse Prof Joy in character telling us off for things we "should have known already" did feel a bit off, but it wasn't that big a deal. At least we weren't actually punished for it.
 
The fact that you had Nurse Prof Joy in character telling us off for things we "should have known already" did feel a bit off, but it wasn't that big a deal. At least we weren't actually punished for it.

I mean, we were asking questions we were pretty sure about just to be safe. I read it as Kotone being insecure about academics and double checking everything three times, and Joy not having that much patience for her nerves.
 
I mean, we were asking questions we were pretty sure about just to be safe. I read it as Kotone being insecure about academics and double checking everything three times, and Joy not having that much patience for her nerves.
And Joy, while patient, might have been a bit worried about how we are actually doing in class since the questions were a bit basic.
 
Most hated genwunner? Zubat. Definitely Zubat. Those things were absolutely everywhere, weren't actually strong even if they were annoying as hell, and did not yet evolve into the awesome Crobat to compensate for how generally shit they were.

I remember gen3, where you COULD evolve Golbat into Crobat, but not until after you were done with the game and didn't need it anymore. Freaking Zubat.

Most loved Gen1r is a more difficult question, since that hits straight into the rose-colored childhood memories, but I remember really loving Lapras. It was this elegant, dinosaur-looking creature that shot aurora borealis beams, was fairly powerful, and there was a single one to be found in the whole game. Made it feel special somehow.

Edit: kinda derailed the previous discussion here, sorry. I'm on mobile, it doesn't autoupdate. Not much to add to it, this is my first wdango quest, though I did feel several players have a severe case of "hard-mode trauma" going on and informing their decisions.

And I remembered questioning if we should even talk to Bill after the Nurse Joy chapter, if he was also gonna tell us things we mostly already knew while calling us out for asking. I think Prof Joy just failed to give us the benefit of the doubt in that convo. "The doubt", in this case, being whether or not we were complete idiots who had manahed not to learn a single thing in her freaking school for years.

"Yes, I know more poisonous Oddish have better poison, thank you. I was asking if there was anything besides the obvious." Then again, my professors can be right cunts sometimes and I don't sass any of them, so Kotone's reaction makes sense, IC.
 
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Most hated genwunner? Zubat. Definitely Zubat. Those things were absolutely everywhere, weren't actually strong even if they were annoying as hell, and did not yet evolve into the awesome Crobat to compensate for how generally shit they were.

I remember gen3, where you COULD evolve Golbat into Crobat, but not until after you were done with the game and didn't need it anymore. Freaking Zubat.

Most loved Gen1r is a more difficult question, since that hits straight into the rose-colored childhood memories, but I remember really loving Lapras. It was this elegant, dinosaur-looking creature that shot aurora borealis beams, was fairly powerful, and there was a single one to be found in the whole game. Made it feel special somehow.
Eh? I could have sworn I had a Crobat as one of my eventual core team in Pokemon Ruby. Admittedly, it was over a decade ago, and leveling the thing up was nontrivial. Did you start with a bred pokemon? That apparently helps a lot on the friendship grind.

Personally, I always thought Crobat was great, if only for the "leveraging the power of friendship to become a complete badass" aspect. The geodude line was also a favorite... right up until I lost one on a nuzlocke run when a water pokemon 5 levels lower one-shotted it from full HP with a crit. I'm a little more leery around them now.

I can't really speak to Gen 1 overall, though. My first was Gen 3.
 
Eh? I could have sworn I had a Crobat as one of my eventual core team in Pokemon Ruby. Admittedly, it was over a decade ago, and leveling the thing up was nontrivial. Did you start with a bred pokemon? That apparently helps a lot on the friendship grind.
That part applies specifically to FireRed LeafGreen National Dex. Zubat and Golbat are in the national dex, Crobat is not. It kept trying to evolve, but it couldn't.
 
Yeah, see, I can't view wdango as a cruel QM because he specializes in Pokemon Quests. There is literally nothing he could do that would be worse than what I have done to myself.
 
1.15 - Strategy Meeting (Part 2)
"He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."

Silver and Gary nod at you at the same time, which you honestly find far more amusing than it ought to be.

"Alright, revised plan then," Silver says. "We land halfway between Fuchsia and the Safari Zone, blitz an Oddish and a Nidoran on the way, stash our additional equipment, then make our way in for the Kangaskhan."

"Glad you're not suicidal." Gary shrugs.

"To be fair," you point out, "going into the Safari Zone itself is alrea--arguably suicidal."

"Actually... If you guys aren't even going to be catching Pokémon from inside the Safari Zone, I can probably do it myself, you know? You don't need to risk your lives for me."

And she finally speaks. Fine by you, to be honest, but--

"--Absolutely not!"
"--Not happening."

You shake your head as the two boys stop, look at each other, then suffer a brief-but-awkward silence before Gary allows Silver to say his piece first. Leaf's an idiot if she thinks Silver will let her weasel her way out of a debt that easily, especially one that involves multiple debtors, but... yeah, she's an idiot.

"We're not letting you head in there on your own. Even if you refuse to admit it, the Safari Zone is far too dangerous for a cadet who doesn't even have a Pokémon to venture into alone."

"My Dad caught his Starter--"

"--he had backup, Leaf!" Gary snaps. "And honestly, he got lu--"

"--Gary!"

You slowly roll your chair away from the table.

Silver glares at Gary (not surprising) and starts to placate Leaf. "Leaf, listen. It's true that your father didn't have a Pokémon too when he caught his Kangaskhan, but he wasn't alone. And so if you have to be without a Pokémon when you go catch a Kangaskhan of your own, at least we can make sure you won't be on your own, too. Isn't that fair?"

"I--I--I just--It's that--" She swallows. "I know that, too. But I mean, your Pokémon and Kotone's Pokémon can all be caught outside of the Safari Zone, and Gary's already changing his entire plans to go with Ash and make sure he--just--I--my family doesn't take charity, okay?"

Gary cuts in, starting to raise his voice. "How can you think I'm doing this out of pity?"

"That's not what I mean!"

Whew.

"Enough." Silver's voice is soft, but surprisingly, both of them shut up. Despite the fact that they're both still glaring at each other, you can tell that they're listening to him. "Leaf, yes, we're doing this out of goodwill, but it's not pity. We're doing this because we're your friends and we care about you, okay?"

"....."

"It's not that we don't think you're capable. But this is Pokémon that we're talking about. We just want to support you and have your back. Cover your sixes and all that."

"I just don't want you guys to worry about me," she mumbles.

"...Of course we'll worry about you, idiot." Gary sighs.

"The threat of death is very real, Leaf. And as much as he's a legend that everyone looks up to, even... even your father ran out of luck, right..?"

"What if you guys run out of luck?"

"Then you will have our backs."

"I--" She lower her gaze, gritting her teeth.

"..."
"..."

"You know what? Let's--let's just talk about the plan. So. So, Kangaskhan."

Silver and Gary share another look.

Finally, still looking at Gary, Silver says. "So, Kangaskhan."

With another sigh, Gary says, "Alright. No better way to show what we mean than to get back to work."

The drama seemingly over, you roll slowly back to your place at the table.

"Right. Kangaskhan is a strong Pokémon, but capturing one should be relatively simple, since it's always a mother-and-young. A mother can have up to three joeys at once -- an adolescent out of the pouch, one still inside the pouch, and another still in the womb -- but a Kangaskhan mother always has at least one joey in the pouch. If you take out the mother, capturing one of its joeys is a simple affair."

"Wait, can't you just capture the adult Kangaskhan? Or tranquillise it and kidnap the joey?"

Gary shoots you a look. "Adult Kangaskhan are impossible to tame. Trying to kidnap the joey is not only much riskier, but it's also more cruel. The mother is likely to go on a rampage and eventually commit suicide if you do that. It's simpler to just take it out straight away."

Well, okay. Silver puts his hand briefly on your shoulder, and Gary continues.

Pointing to the diagram on the whiteboard, he says, "Here or here is where you'll want to aim. Although it'll be a nigh-instant kill, I don't really encourage a headshot, even with a large-caliber bullet, because of the thick angled skull. The bullet is likely to just bounce off, unless you get a good angle and manage to penetrate the skull, or shoot it straight through the eye.

Instead, try to get a broadside double-lung shot, which will kill it faster and give you a better blood trail. It should bleed out within thirty minutes, and you can recover the joey. If the best you can get is a heart shot, it will take maybe an hour. If you can launch a Repel bomb into the area, it should also disorient it enough so it doesn't wander too far away, and hide the smell of blood from any opportunistic scavengers.

Or alternatively, you can hit it with a tranq first, and then track it and kill it once it starts to slow down, but it's likely to run further away before it drops compared to if you just put a bullet through it with the first shot.

Now, Kangaskhan has three, large claws that are likely to leave furrows in dirt or grass that look...
"

The meeting goes smoothly after that, but carries on for a few more hours, and by the time it's done, you're too tired and your head too stuffy for you to even look at any of the others before you head straight back to your room.


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Snipers and Navigation against Kangaskhan are now less likely to fail.

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It is the 17th day of the Latewinter, in the 48th year of the New Pokémon Calendar.

Your interviews are in 5 Days.

What do you do next?


[x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
→ [x] Scyther (preliminary)
→ [x] Kangaskhan (preliminary)
→ [x] Nidoran (preliminary)
→ [x] Safari Zone West (Safari Area 3) (in-depth)
→ [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
→ [x] Safari Zone East (Safari Area 1) (in-depth)
[x] Do preliminary research on a Pokémon. (2 Days)
→ [x] What Pokémon?
[x] Talk to someone. (1 Day)
→ [x] Topic?
[x] Do some training. (1 Day)
→ [x] STR : Focus on training your body.
→ [x] AGI : Focus on training your reflexes.
[x] Write-in.
 
"What if you guys run out of luck?"
*Instantly sacrifices ten goats to the Dice Gods*
Gary shoots you a look. "Adult Kangaskhan are impossible to tame. Trying to kidnap the joey is not only much riskier, but it's also more cruel. The mother is likely to go on a rampage and eventually commit suicide if you do that. It's simpler to just take it out straight away."
That's dark. Appropriate.

[X] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
→ [X] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)

Time to finish up the North Side!
We're doing North to find the Kangaskhan locations, right?
 
[X] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
→ [X] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
 
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