Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice


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changing vote.
makes sense that stronger pokemon have higher risk.
how about grass type? their various status inflicting moves are useful.
abra is also interesting

[X] Do preliminary research on a geographical area. (3 Days)
→ [X] Saffron Outskirts

[x] Do preliminary research on a Pokémon. (2 Days)
-[X] Oddish
 
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Abra's teleportation abilities would make it extremely difficult to track and catch. One mistake and we're back at square one. The water pokemon options might be worth looking into, though. I'm also leery of taking pokemon that are too weak to start with-- @wdango, how do you train pokemon in this setting? If the only option to train them is to battle other pokemon with the risk of death always looming over us, going for the easy weaklings might be as much of a trap as going for dangerous challenges. It's also worth it to point out that it might not be as easy to evolve pokemon here as it is in the game-- Murkrow is said to evolve "as early as 4-5 years old"; despite being a third of its average lifespan, it still comes off as being actually fairly quick for this setting. After all, if it was that easy to train and evolve pokemon outside of battle, Magikarp would be incredibly viable.

Depending on exactly how short of a lifespan we're talking about, we might also want to avoid pokemon known to be short-lived, even if we decide to go into breeding-- A Better World hints at wanting to grow attached to pokemon as companions, and it's hard to grow attached to a pokemon you know will only live for a few years at best.
I think you might be overestimating Abra. They literally just sleep all the time. As long as you're far enough away that it couldn't feel you telepathically I'm pretty sure you could just tranq it.
 
I think you might be overestimating Abra. They literally just sleep all the time. As long as you're far enough away that it couldn't feel you telepathically I'm pretty sure you could just tranq it.
Admittedly it detection range is likely to be quite good, but if anything works, a long distance sniper-tranq will.

If they can detect you at even a sniper's max range and port out, there'll likely be no real way of getting them at all, bar dark-types.
 
I think you might be overestimating Abra. They literally just sleep all the time. As long as you're far enough away that it couldn't feel you telepathically I'm pretty sure you could just tranq it.

Even if we assume that its detection range and reflexes are such that we can hit it from a long distance before it can teleport (which, I admit, is entirely possible), the real issue is finding it in the first place. Abra teleports even in its sleep-- once every hour, double-checking the pokedex entries. Unless the QM isn't canonizing all pokedex entries-- Murkrow's information generally reflects its entries, so I'm inclined to think that they are-- we aren't finding something that moves that often while leaving no tracks unless we have some kind of psychic energy detector or just set up in known haunts of Abra and hope we get really, really lucky. Speaking of which-- what kind of equipment do we actually have access to, anyway?
 
Hm.
I wonder if we could use some combination/fusion of repel and smokebombs to deter the bugs from pursuing us. Something that releases a large cloud of something really unpleasant to them, to encourage them to go be somewhere else. It would be super-useful in that situation.
Smart.

@wdango so would metapods/kakunas start with only harden like in the game? Or have stuff like poison sting and tackle from their preevolution?
In this case, cocoon Pokémon are all helpless and don't even have Harden lol.

It's a metamorphosis process that finishes automatically.

how do you train pokemon in this setting? If the only option to train them is to battle other pokemon with the risk of death always looming over us, going for the easy weaklings might be as much of a trap as going for dangerous challenges. It's also worth it to point out that it might not be as easy to evolve pokemon here as it is in the game-- Murkrow is said to evolve "as early as 4-5 years old"; despite being a fourth to a third of its average lifespan, it still comes off as being actually fairly quick for this setting. After all, if it was that easy to train and evolve pokemon outside of battle, Magikarp would be incredibly viable.

Depending on exactly how short of a lifespan we're talking about, we might also want to avoid pokemon known to be short-lived, even if we decide to go into breeding-- A Better World hints at wanting to grow attached to pokemon as companions, and it's hard to grow attached to a pokemon you know will only live for a few years at best.
You can train Pokémon outside of combat, no worries. In fact, you'll be doing minimal combat as much as you can, unless it's a subjugation mission.

Yes, evolution isn't a level up thing, since there is no concept of level in this quest. Different Pokémon have different evolutionary requirements, which can be discovered through in-depth research.

I'll throw in Magikarp for free -- it needs to swim up a waterfall of a certain height and then it will naturally evolve. Unlike most Pokémon, a Magikarp's evolution into a Gyarados is almost instant.

Kotone doesn't yet see Pokémon as things to get attached to, but maybe eventually. Right now she's more thinking putting them to use in industry/technology.

I'm still considering going for magikarp if we have a way to level it up well. Perhaps get some money, buy a bunch of rare candy, and stuff it until it learns tackle/evolves?
Rare Candy isn't a thing. Levels also aren't a thing.

I think you might be overestimating Abra. They literally just sleep all the time. As long as you're far enough away that it couldn't feel you telepathically I'm pretty sure you could just tranq it.
Admittedly it detection range is likely to be quite good, but if anything works, a long distance sniper-tranq will.

If they can detect you at even a sniper's max range and port out, there'll likely be no real way of getting them at all, bar dark-types.
Even if we assume that its detection range and reflexes are such that we can hit it from a long distance before it can teleport (which, I admit, is entirely possible), the real issue is finding it in the first place. Abra teleports even in its sleep-- once every hour, double-checking the pokedex entries. Unless the QM isn't canonizing all pokedex entries-- Murkrow's information generally reflects its entries, so I'm inclined to think that they are-- we aren't finding something that moves that often while leaving no tracks unless we have some kind of psychic energy detector or just set up in known haunts of Abra and hope we get really, really lucky. Speaking of which-- what kind of equipment do we actually have access to, anyway?
Smart. Sniping it at long range with a tranq is something that is guaranteed to succeed provided you actually hit it.

But yes, finding it is definitely the problem in this case. And training it to be useful outside of its sleep patterns.

...And preventing it from running away when you release it for the first time. But there are ways to do this.

You have access to firearms, explosives, incendiaries, drugs, poisons and venoms, ropes, some traps, your phone..... Ghillie suits. Repels will be difficult to requisition but possible. Medkits. Painkillers and adrenaline syringes, also hard to requisition, but possible.

Bunch of stuff.

Ash is a special case who gets access to TMs, but you can't even use one yet, let alone requisition one.

Special elemental bullets might be available, but they're expensive so you're unlikely to get many if at all. Depends on your interviews tbh.

Don't forget you probably have to deal with Pokémon that aren't your target, too, as long as it's in the same habitat.
 
Unless the QM isn't canonizing all pokedex entries--
I think that we can safely assume that he is not. Taken entirely at face value, that shit be jank, and only useful in satire. Flavour, probably, but definitely not all the numbers. (Lookin atchu, lighter-than air wailords, Torkoals hotter than the sun, and arcanines circumnavigating the glove in a matter of seconds/minutes.)

Even if we assume that its detection range and reflexes are such that we can hit it from a long distance before it can teleport (which, I admit, is entirely possible), the real issue is finding it in the first place. Abra teleports even in its sleep-- once every hour, double-checking the pokedex entries. Unless the QM isn't canonizing all pokedex entries-- Murkrow's information generally reflects its entries, so I'm inclined to think that they are-- we aren't finding something that moves that often while leaving no tracks unless we have some kind of psychic energy detector or just set up in known haunts of Abra and hope we get really, really lucky. Speaking of which-- what kind of equipment do we actually have access to, anyway?
Thus far unknown (Thrice-cursed ninjas). How many of the problems Abra poses have solutions probably won't be clear unless and until we research it.
 
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I'll throw in Magikarp for free -- it needs to swim up a waterfall of a certain height and then it will naturally evolve. Unlike most Pokémon, a Magikarp's evolution into a Gyarados is almost instant.
Welp that settles it.
Going to go for the magikarp training regimen option ASAP, pump it full of agility to go fast!
@wdango does this count as a preliminary research, btw?
 
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You have access to firearms, explosives, incendiaries, drugs, poisons and venoms, ropes, some traps, your phone..... Ghillie suits. Repels will be difficult to requisition but possible. Medkits. Painkillers and adrenaline syringes, also hard to requisition, but possible.
I'm not seeing anything here that would make it easier to find an abra. Sufficient research into preferred lairs and teleport points may let us find one though.

I'll throw in Magikarp for free -- it needs to swim up a waterfall of a certain height and then it will naturally evolve. Unlike most Pokémon, a Magikarp's evolution into a Gyarados is almost instant.
Honestly, going magikarp is starting to look maybe kinda not-dumb.

@wdango you dropped an intriguing hint about getting breeding populations. Is that something that it would be possible to do in one trip, or would we have to wait until we are ready for a second mon to get the other?
 
Welp that settles it.
Going to go for the magikarp training regimen option ASAP, pump it full of agility to go fast!
@wdango does this count as a preliminary research, btw?
Yeah training your Magikarp isn't gonna be fast, and finding a suitable waterfall isn't gonna be easy, either. Plus your Magikarp is gonna be pretty useless for a while, which won't help you with your duties... and you will likely fail the interviews.

Also it needs more STR than AGI, tbh.

You should actually do preliminary research on the Magikarp line before deciding, if you're really going for it.

If you want a Magikarp I recommend as a 2nd Pokémon.

I'm not seeing anything here that would make it easier to find an abra. Sufficient research into preferred lairs and teleport points may let us find one though.

Honestly, going magikarp is starting to look maybe kinda not-dumb.

@wdango you dropped an intriguing hint about getting breeding populations. Is that something that it would be possible to do in one trip, or would we have to wait until we are ready for a second mon to get the other?
You're only authorised to capture one Pokémon, only your selected Pokémon, and only get one Pokéball regardless.

Yeah finding an Abra is gonna be a challenge lol.

There's a reason this test is a test. It's not meant to be easy.
 
Yeah training your Magikarp isn't gonna be fast, and finding a suitable waterfall isn't gonna be easy, either. Plus your Magikarp is gonna be pretty useless for a while, which won't help you with your duties... and you will likely fail the interviews.

Also it needs more STR than AGI, tbh.

You should actually do preliminary research on the Magikarp line before deciding, if you're really going for it.

If you want a Magikarp I recommend as a 2nd Pokémon.


You're only authorised to capture one Pokémon, only your selected Pokémon, and only get one Pokéball regardless.

Yeah finding an Abra is gonna be a challenge lol.

There's a reason this test is a test. It's not meant to be easy.
Gotcha. So we'd have to go get another metafree later if we wanted to do it., i thought as much.

Is there much precedent for pokemon breeding at present?
 
Metafree?

Not much precedent tbh, but Kotone knows it can happen, although none of the details, so there must be some precedent...
Highly doubt it. Breeding is even unknown to the very Pokémon daycare workers who help your Pokémon breed! :V
 
I think that we can safely assume that he is not. Taken entirely at face value, that shit be jank, and only useful in satire. Flavour, probably, but definitely not all the numbers. (Lookin atchu, lighter-than air wailords, Torkoals hotter than the sun, and arcanines circumnavigating the glove in a matter of seconds/minutes.)

Thus far unknown. How many of the problems Abra poses have solutions probably won't be clear unless and until we research it.

Gonna be honest: Even it really, really doesn't make sense, I like hydrogen Wailords. I headcanon them as part-time sky whales. :V That said, memes aside, I don't see how solar Torkoals and globetrotting Arcanines are that much of an issue in a setting where reality-warping ghost dragons and time-traveling forest pixies exist. Not that I'm denying the possibility that the QM decided to tone things down-- I think it's entirely likely-- but I don't think it's guaranteed he did, either.

In any case, Abra should be findable in the Saffron area, so I'm willing to wait and see what we find on that front. I still haven't completely given up on Murkrow, personally (I think it's dangerous but reasonably possible, given proper preparation and explicitly targeting a solitary adult Murkrow in their nest), but I'm willing to look into Abra or other pokemon as alternatives.

I don't think Butterfree or any common bug pokemon is a good idea, though. They're easy to catch, but bug types are fragile, are notorious for their plethora of bad match-ups, and have short lifespans anyway. We're planning to get more pokemon eventually, but the opportunity is clearly rare enough that we can't afford to treat our first pokemon like a stepping stone to a larger party. It's best to think about this as if our first pokemon is going to be our only pokemon, imo.
 
Gonna be honest: Even it really, really doesn't make sense, I like hydrogen Wailords. I headcanon them as part-time sky whales. :V That said, memes aside, I don't see how solar Torkoals and globetrotting Arcanines are that much of an issue in a setting where reality-warping ghost dragons and time-traveling forest pixies exist. Not that I'm denying the possibility that the QM decided to tone things down-- I think it's entirely likely-- but I don't think it's guaranteed he did, either.

In any case, Abra should be findable in the Saffron area, so I'm willing to wait and see what we find on that front. I still haven't completely given up on Murkrow, personally (I think it's dangerous but reasonably possible, given proper preparation and explicitly targeting a solitary adult Murkrow in their nest), but I'm willing to look into Abra or other pokemon as alternatives.

I don't think Butterfree or any common bug pokemon is a good idea, though. They're easy to catch, but bug types are fragile, are notorious for their plethora of bad match-ups, and have short lifespans anyway. We're planning to get more pokemon eventually, but the opportunity is clearly rare enough that we can't afford to treat our first pokemon like a stepping stone to a larger party. It's best to think about this as if our first pokemon is going to be our only pokemon, imo.
This reminds me,@wdango do human attacks count as different types? I.E. punches are fighting type, Throwing a rock is rock type etc. Would throwing a rock onto a butterfree's head kill it due to 4x rock weakness?

I do like the idea of murkrow as our starter. Or zubat if we find murkrow too aggressive. Zubat's got three evolutions and is very fast, complements us well.
 
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Gonna be honest: Even it really, really doesn't make sense, I like hydrogen Wailords. I headcanon them as part-time sky whales. :V That said, memes aside, I don't see how solar Torkoals and globetrotting Arcanines are that much of an issue in a setting where reality-warping ghost dragons and time-traveling forest pixies exist. Not that I'm denying the possibility that the QM decided to tone things down-- I think it's entirely likely-- but I don't think it's guaranteed he did, either.

In any case, Abra should be findable in the Saffron area, so I'm willing to wait and see what we find on that front. I still haven't completely given up on Murkrow, personally (I think it's dangerous but reasonably possible, given proper preparation and explicitly targeting a solitary adult Murkrow in their nest), but I'm willing to look into Abra or other pokemon as alternatives.

I don't think Butterfree or any common bug pokemon is a good idea, though. They're easy to catch, but bug types are fragile, are notorious for their plethora of bad match-ups, and have short lifespans anyway. We're planning to get more pokemon eventually, but the opportunity is clearly rare enough that we can't afford to treat our first pokemon like a stepping stone to a larger party. It's best to think about this as if our first pokemon is going to be our only pokemon, imo.
I take your point to some extent, but remember we are trying to bootstrap ourselves up from just our guns an our wits to a party. A butterfree is not only a stepping stone to catching the rest of the party, but, crucially, a strong early performer like most bug pokemon. By the time their weak later growth and poor lifespan start to become an issue, we will likely have caught other pokemon with their help anyway.

The bad match-ups points is more compelling to me, though. A 4x rock vulnerability is a major concern.

Come to think of it, though, Oddish is another potential good pick. It sits immobile for most of the day, which should leave us ample time to set up some elaborate traps for one if we can identify it, and vileplume is not to be sneezed at.
Edit: It's probably also solitary.
 
Highly doubt it. Breeding is even unknown to the very Pokémon daycare workers who help your Pokémon breed! :V
:V what's a daycare?

This reminds me,@wdango do human attacks count as different types? I.E. punches are fighting type, Throwing a rock is rock type etc. Would throwing a rock onto a butterfree's head kill it due to 4x rock weakness?

I do like the idea of murkrow as our starter. Or zubat if we find murkrow too aggressive. Zubat's got three evolutions and is very fast, complements us well.
Yes and no.

If you know martial arts, your attacks can be Fighting-type, albeit with lower damage than a Pokémon... Otherwise you deal Normal damage.

Throwing rocks *is* Rock-type, but it deals so little damage that type-effectiveness doesn't make up for it.

Guns are Steel-type damage. Grenades are Normal. Incendiaries are Fire-type. These deal significant damage and should be your actual ways of dealing damage.

Shuriken are Steel-type.

Adding poison to a bladed weapon doesn't change its damage type, unfortunately.

Liquid nitrogen bullets are Ice, but they're... difficult to handle and can malfunction really fast. Kinda need a special gun for that.

etc etc.
 
I take your point to some extent, but remember we are trying to bootstrap ourselves up from just our guns an our wits to a party. A butterfree is not only a stepping stone to catching the rest of the party, but, crucially, a strong early performer like most bug pokemon. By the time their weak later growth and poor lifespan start to become an issue, we will likely have caught other pokemon with their help anyway.

The bad match-ups points is more compelling to me, though. A 4x rock vulnerability is a major concern.

Come to think of it, though, Oddish is another potential good pick. It sits immobile for most of the day, which should leave us ample time to set up some elaborate traps for one if we can identify it, and vileplume is not to be sneezed at.
Edit: It's probably also solitary.

I was considering Oddish as a potential alternative myself, though I'd forgotten about the immobile bit-- that's actually really good. Identifying one will definitely be the hard part; checking the entries, it seems it's actually really active at night, so unlike Abra all we need to do to train it up is to adopt a nocturnal schedule. That goes well with our skills as a ninja, anyway-- we'll probably often be sent on missions at night. The only issue for me is how its lifespan compares-- plants have extremely variable lifespans, after all-- and the fact that Grass types don't have it much better than Bug types when it comes to match-ups, but it's shaping up to look better than most of the common bug types at least.

If we're bringing up potential alternatives: Psyduck, Slowpoke, and Poliwag can all be found in the routes around Saffron, as can Magnemite (though I'm a bit doubtful that our skills are a good match-up against a living magnet). I was also thinking of Vulpix or Heracross as good picks that won't be particularly easy to catch but shouldn't be dangerously difficult for the prepared, either (though risking the eternal enmity of a Ninetales makes Vulpix a bit less attractive a proposition).

Hoothoot might also be an easier alternative to Murkrow that's still pretty useful, and Drowzee is an alternative to Abra that might be easier to find (though it's both bulkier and less powerful, so it's tougher to take out quickly yet isn't quite as useful; also has less growth potential). There's also Bellsprout, but frankly I could write an essay on why Oddish is the better option all around. (As a sidenote, I ruled out the canine pokemon, including Growlithe, due to the likelihood of them being pack hunters.)
 
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I love Vulpix but don't think it would be practical. Let's not get laughed out of the room over Magicarp. Still liking saffron, and the possibility of a sensible water or grass type.
Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 11, 2019 at 2:46 PM, finished with 140 posts and 12 votes.
 
I take your point to some extent, but remember we are trying to bootstrap ourselves up from just our guns an our wits to a party. A butterfree is not only a stepping stone to catching the rest of the party, but, crucially, a strong early performer like most bug pokemon. By the time their weak later growth and poor lifespan start to become an issue, we will likely have caught other pokemon with their help anyway.

To expand on this a bit: It isn't our capabilities that have me concerned. It's the opportunity. Remember, Pokemon Trainers don't mean the same thing here that they do in the games. Pokemon Trainers are members of the military. We have responsibilities beyond just catching and training pokemon, and training in and of itself is sounding like it's a time-consuming task. The QM explicitly states in the post I linked that we shouldn't expect to expand our team quickly because "pokemon are not cheap to maintain". Not only that, but we had to be authorized to go catch our first pokemon, and nothing says we'll just be allowed to go catch more pokemon whenever we see fit. I'd like the QM to weigh in on that front, of course, but I'm really not getting the vibe that expanding our party will happen quickly enough to offset the short lifespan-- I'm concerned that we'll be lucky if we get to the point that we've just started training our second pokemon by the time the first dies.
 
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[X] Do preliminary research on a geographical area. (3 Days)
→ [X] Saffron Outskirts


Well, we can always get back to Zubat idea. It should be squishy enough to get oneshot by sniper rifle. With noctovision.
 
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Votes are still open.

Preliminary tally just to check what we have so far.

If all goes well I'll post another update tonight unless discussion is still going strong.

EDIT: That's a pretty strong landslide. I'll probably update once I'm home tonight.

Votes are still open.

To expand on this a bit: It isn't our capabilities that have me concerned. It's the opportunity. Remember, Pokemon Trainers don't mean the same thing here that they do in the games. Pokemon Trainers are members of the military. We have responsibilities beyond just catching and training pokemon, and training in and of itself is sounding like it's a time-consuming task. The QM weighed in on that, explicitly saying in the post I linked that we shouldn't expect to expand our team quickly because "pokemon are not cheap to maintain". Not only that, but we had to be authorized to go catch our first pokemon, and nothing says we'll just be allowed to go catch more pokemon whenever we see fit. I'd like the QM to weigh in on that front, of course, but I'm really not getting the vibe that expanding our party will happen quickly enough to offset the short lifespan-- I'm concerned that we'll be lucky to have just started training our second pokemon when the first dies.
WoQM: I'll let you start voting to catch a second Pokémon after you complete anywhere between 2-5 missions, depending on what the missions are and how long they take.

Definitely before your first Pokémon lives out its natural lifespan, even if it's a Bug.

No promises on the 3rd.
Adhoc vote count started by wdango on Jun 11, 2019 at 5:23 AM, finished with 122 posts and 11 votes.
 
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WoQM: I'll let you start voting to catch a second Pokémon after you complete anywhere between 2-5 missions, depending on what the missions are and how long they take.

Definitely before your first Pokémon lives out its natural lifespan, even if it's a Bug.

No promises on the 3rd.

Okay, that's good to know. Bugs aren't out of the question, then, though I'm still going to aim for something else. Oddish is actually sounding really good, after some more thought, though Murkrow/Hoothoot and to a lesser extent Abra are all still on the table for me until we find out more. (I'd also be pretty happy with Poliwag or Heracross, but I'm not inclined to make an argument for either of them right now.)
 
I'm little surprised about the "aaaaaa, we will fail to catch it!" panic. We can do it! If we can't think of a plan ourselves, we can always ask Silver or cutieboy Gary for help.
 
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