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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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Please don't! This will make or break the quest, please give us more time.
Tales of History - A Civ-Builder Quest
- Thread starter Azel
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Mind you, your should really consider where the defenders of Riverbend went. While the fanatics mostly crumbled, the hunters disengaged with light casualties and in good order before slinking away while the battle was still on. The updated pointed this out and military units don't vanish into thin air.
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Oh, wonderful. They're waiting to cut off our retreat? The Makarite envoy is trying to trick us into a trap?
Brushcrest in burning down Greenvalley, the Makarites are closing in on our army, this just gets better and better.
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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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So I've got to go, but I'm not going to mince words anymore. The currently leading plan is the most idiotic, stupid, quest-ending, misconceived abortion of a plan I have ever seen. Ever. It completely ignores the fact that we are not at war with the Makar, Brushcrest is sieging Greenvalley, and that no, the Makarite envoy wasn't bluffing about Brushcrest having betrayed us.
So yeah, we really have two options here: either we run and hope that the hunters we defeated earlier haven't blocked off our avenue of retreat, or we stay in the village and negotiate something with the Makar envoy. Striking deeper into Makar territory to destroy the Makar temple is an act of such dense and compressed ignorance of reality that it has long ago collapsed into itself and is dragging the rest of us beyond its event horizon.
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Word of God has confirmed that no, this isn't some sort of elaborate bluff by the Makar envoys. We really have been betrayed by Brushcrest. There is literally nothing to be gained by fucking throwing away our armies in some fucking suicide attack that even the fucking GM called a kamikaze. I don't know what your rationale for voting for this is, but please, please, vote for literally anything else.
So yeah, we really have two options here: either we run and hope that the hunters we defeated earlier haven't blocked off our avenue of retreat, or we stay in the village and negotiate something with the Makar envoy. Striking deeper into Makar territory to destroy the Makar temple is an act of such dense and compressed ignorance of reality that it has long ago collapsed into itself and is dragging the rest of us beyond its event horizon.
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Word of God has confirmed that no, this isn't some sort of elaborate bluff by the Makar envoys. We really have been betrayed by Brushcrest. There is literally nothing to be gained by fucking throwing away our armies in some fucking suicide attack that even the fucking GM called a kamikaze. I don't know what your rationale for voting for this is, but please, please, vote for literally anything else.
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@Satar, I would ask you stay civil with fellow players. I certainly know the desire to speak strongly for or against something, but still.
Also, some clarifications:
- The quest won't end, no matter what you choose or what happens next.
- The state of Greenvalley is pure speculation right now. I neither confirm nor deny an attack on the village.
- Brushcrest did betray you, yes. I've decided to confirm this OOC to give you guys a fighting chance to pull yourself out of this with manageable casualties.
Also, some clarifications:
- The quest won't end, no matter what you choose or what happens next.
- The state of Greenvalley is pure speculation right now. I neither confirm nor deny an attack on the village.
- Brushcrest did betray you, yes. I've decided to confirm this OOC to give you guys a fighting chance to pull yourself out of this with manageable casualties.
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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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- Sesh
Yeah, sorry about that. I'm getting a little too heated about this so I'll recuse myself from the discussion until this vote is done.
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- Germany
It is still the most likely option that Bushcrest is using us as a distraction to attack the Makarites right now, not Greenvally.
I say this is our chance to destroy our most dangerous rival in this entire Region by ripping out their cultural and religios heart while they are surrounded by foes.
Bushcrest is ultimatly the lesser concern, it's extremly unlikely we get a better chance to secure our ascend to local Hegemon than by action bold right now.
I say this is our chance to destroy our most dangerous rival in this entire Region by ripping out their cultural and religios heart while they are surrounded by foes.
Bushcrest is ultimatly the lesser concern, it's extremly unlikely we get a better chance to secure our ascend to local Hegemon than by action bold right now.
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- Germany
Can we at least kill the Chosen and the population here before retreating if we do so?
If we flee now without further action we have achieved literally nothing.
And the Chosen's negotiations still seem very bluffy to me, even if there was truth in it.
[] Kill the Chosen and all but two pop of villagers
-[] Prepare an ambush for the army the Chosen claimed is coming
--[] for that use the head and headdress of the Chosen to enrage eventual attackers and draw them into the village, where they will face a front of our heavy infantery backed by archers, while our light infantery will fall into their backs after hiding in the buildings
@Azel
Is that generally ok?
Should a plan for a possible battle have more or less detail?
If we flee now without further action we have achieved literally nothing.
And the Chosen's negotiations still seem very bluffy to me, even if there was truth in it.
[] Kill the Chosen and all but two pop of villagers
-[] Prepare an ambush for the army the Chosen claimed is coming
--[] for that use the head and headdress of the Chosen to enrage eventual attackers and draw them into the village, where they will face a front of our heavy infantery backed by archers, while our light infantery will fall into their backs after hiding in the buildings
@Azel
Is that generally ok?
Should a plan for a possible battle have more or less detail?
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[X] Try to flee. You still have a day before his warriors are in Riverbend.
-[X] Flee immediately to keep as large a distance to the pursuers as you can.
Changing vote.
-[X] Flee immediately to keep as large a distance to the pursuers as you can.
Changing vote.
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[X] Do something else.
-[X] First of all, fucking merk that chosen.
-[X] As in the previous plan, juke east towards the river. Do not cross the river, though. Head immediately south and then west, towards Makar. Their host shouldn't be too far behind their scouts; by the time they see the feint, they should be north-east of our force. Don't try to conceal our tracks heading south though; if they don't realize we're going for the god-king, they might head for Greenvalley.
-[X] Head straight for Makar, cross the river and attack the site to incite a slave rebellion. Once we've taken it, all we need to do is defeat the force pursuing and run like hell for Greenvalley.
-[X] First of all, fucking merk that chosen.
-[X] As in the previous plan, juke east towards the river. Do not cross the river, though. Head immediately south and then west, towards Makar. Their host shouldn't be too far behind their scouts; by the time they see the feint, they should be north-east of our force. Don't try to conceal our tracks heading south though; if they don't realize we're going for the god-king, they might head for Greenvalley.
-[X] Head straight for Makar, cross the river and attack the site to incite a slave rebellion. Once we've taken it, all we need to do is defeat the force pursuing and run like hell for Greenvalley.
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[X] Do something else.
-[X] First of all, fucking merk that chosen.
-[X] As in the previous plan, juke east towards the river. Do not cross the river, though. Head immediately south and then west, towards Makar. Their host shouldn't be too far behind their scouts; by the time they see the feint, they should be north-east of our force. Don't try to conceal our tracks heading south though; if they don't realize we're going for the god-king, they might head for Greenvalley.
-[X] Head straight for Makar, cross the river and attack the site to incite a slave rebellion. Once we've taken it, all we need to do is defeat the force pursuing and run like hell for Greenvalley.
-[X] First of all, fucking merk that chosen.
-[X] As in the previous plan, juke east towards the river. Do not cross the river, though. Head immediately south and then west, towards Makar. Their host shouldn't be too far behind their scouts; by the time they see the feint, they should be north-east of our force. Don't try to conceal our tracks heading south though; if they don't realize we're going for the god-king, they might head for Greenvalley.
-[X] Head straight for Makar, cross the river and attack the site to incite a slave rebellion. Once we've taken it, all we need to do is defeat the force pursuing and run like hell for Greenvalley.
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They have to fight through the pilgrim village and then break through a stone wall to burn down Greenvally.
Unless Bushcrest has much more military tech than we believe they have our base is relativly save from that direction.
The biggest threat to our home would be the Antler Clans turning on us, not any distant invaders.
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- Germany
@Azel
Can you give us a guess how long this stays open?
I'd like to try and find a compromise vote to take at least some profit from this situation, rather than run because some asshole said so, but right now it feels like not voting for the Makar-attack means fleeing will win overwhelmingly.
Can you give us a guess how long this stays open?
I'd like to try and find a compromise vote to take at least some profit from this situation, rather than run because some asshole said so, but right now it feels like not voting for the Makar-attack means fleeing will win overwhelmingly.
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At least for another 4 hours, though if another option gains ground in the meantime, I would leave it open until tomorrow.
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- Germany
@Satar
Since things got a bit heated, do you think their is any way to still profit from this situation?
I'm not dead set on any plan or course of action, but the thought of winning a difficult fight and gaining literally nothing for it sits ill with me.
If we could at least kill this guy's reinforcements and properly plunder the village that would be something.
Since things got a bit heated, do you think their is any way to still profit from this situation?
I'm not dead set on any plan or course of action, but the thought of winning a difficult fight and gaining literally nothing for it sits ill with me.
If we could at least kill this guy's reinforcements and properly plunder the village that would be something.
Why are we just taking the Makars' word for it?
We chopped our way through one of their biggest settlements. Theres no reason for them to send an emissary instead of surprising us with an army. Its their own village, they know it well enough to hit by night.
Or maybe we're just super easy to bluff into a panic
We chopped our way through one of their biggest settlements. Theres no reason for them to send an emissary instead of surprising us with an army. Its their own village, they know it well enough to hit by night.
Or maybe we're just super easy to bluff into a panic
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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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I think that @Azel is hinting at there being some diplomatic solution to be had with the Makarites.
We know:
1. For some reason they want troops from us. And for some reason they are surprisingly willing to budge; they started asking out for half of our troops, and then quickly reduced their demands to one in five. Why do they need our troops? And why are they willing to be negotiated down?
2. We also know that the hunters we fought managed to slip away. Where did they go? What are the Makarites using them for? Are they linking up with the force pursuing us? Are they being sent east to raid the lowlanders? I doubt that they're behind us; Stone Age communications mean that something like that would need to be planned out in advance.
3. Why negotiate with us at all?
So I think that, if we don't want to flee, we could negotiate a deal with them and try to get something out of it that way. Otherwise I don't see anything else to be gained, honestly.
Now, having answered your question, I'll go back to recusing myself from this thread.
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- United States
The village has already been looted, that's what the past few days have been spent on -- a combination of looting and interrogation. While I would certainly LIKE to do lasting harm, I prioritize the preservation of the civ more.
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- Germany
How much can we take with us in sudden flight?
Not pops for sure and likely no serious amount of material loot beyond some trinkets either.
Ultimatly we can't change what happens in Greenvalley now, we can only return, having achieved as much as we deemed possible.
If that is not the cultural breaking of Makar, then at least plunder and serfs?
We know for a fact that our allies have in fact betrayed us. Personally I'm voting for the high risk option at least in part because I don't think a collapse would be the end of the world. The current circumstances have shown some rather painful social weaknesses and that a collapse could help redress (albeit painfully).