Silent Second Life (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest) Completed
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And thus, Madara's gambit is at full display.
If his eye of the moon plan does not work, he'll just do the next best thing, make the world bow to him through their beliefs of the two brothers.
But like all things I plotted, you can actually stop it.
It won't be easy by any means, but you can stop it.
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I thought that people only knew about sage and that Indra and Asura were forgotenn. So I dont see how that would give him any claim.
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There is no way in hell any of those demigods were truly forgotten. Maybe made irrelevant to Shinobi, who have very particular concerns not shared with the rest of humanity, but for everybody else these are still examples of divinity. The story you hear in the temples or the courts of the learned are likely wrong, sometimes contradictory, always incomplete... but the names would be on ears and lips. Even Kaguya is probably some vague but massive thing in the oldest lore.
He has Hogoromo's eyes. And probably many very old secrets.
The weird thing? Think of who the successor to the Mandate of Heaven would be if Madara succeeds and then dies without direct progeny. Or if his own progeny were produced a lifetime ago when he was still with his clan. It would go to his closest blood relation, some Uchiha still loyal to the Leaf. If I was the Uchiha head, I would fudge some geneological records to make sure that Ren becomes Tenno. And also Hokage.
He can survive for forty more years, maybe more, but he would be a chairbound chessmaster and figurehead if he doesn't perform one of several weird resurrection gambits.
His life is secondary to his ideals, but he probably has three ways to keep going anyway. But all he has to do is fail. Hell, Zetsu will want him dead if he scores a lasting victory here and can't be manipulated into the right resurrection gambit. He can start from scratch if he has to.
Everyone can fail.
He has Hogoromo's eyes. And probably many very old secrets.
The weird thing? Think of who the successor to the Mandate of Heaven would be if Madara succeeds and then dies without direct progeny. Or if his own progeny were produced a lifetime ago when he was still with his clan. It would go to his closest blood relation, some Uchiha still loyal to the Leaf. If I was the Uchiha head, I would fudge some geneological records to make sure that Ren becomes Tenno. And also Hokage.
He can survive for forty more years, maybe more, but he would be a chairbound chessmaster and figurehead if he doesn't perform one of several weird resurrection gambits.
His life is secondary to his ideals, but he probably has three ways to keep going anyway. But all he has to do is fail. Hell, Zetsu will want him dead if he scores a lasting victory here and can't be manipulated into the right resurrection gambit. He can start from scratch if he has to.
Everyone can fail.
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Magoose
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The rest of the world rever Kaguya and the Chakra bros as gods... you are correct.
And Madara has an idea about Zetsu's plans and is flipping the table again.
The Kage's would still be under the daimyo (For now at least) and having ren take over would be silly because he's the younger brother (By three minutes to his twin brother Akira).
And do you really think the villages would bow to an Uchiha (Even Konoha?)
If Zetsu doesn't kill him and make the whole world blow up in another war.
You are correct... however, if you want him to fail, you have to use every bit of the shonen protagonist luck you've got to pull it off.
And maybe warp reality a little bit.
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Heh. Fucked by three minutes. A shame.
And I think it would very much depend on the situation on the ground. Likely it would just be a political hedge, maybe a realpolitik pry-bar if enough shit is on fire by the end of this. If Madara first stomped enough dicks into the dirt, stomped the right dicks in the right order... maybe? No Village is going to want to be under anything but all sorts of things start looking good when you are bleeding out and have enough knives pointed at your throat. Or if you suddenly find yourself as the one holding the knives.
Madara himself might even raise the idea just to make everyone else hate Konoha too much to side with them.
A big issue is that the Villages are unlikely to be a united front even if they have a common enemy. And there are fewer functional Villages right now. Kumo is going to be out of commission until their Kage and his heir come back and clean house and Iwa is on horribly shaky ground. Taki will be strong but hasn't had time to expand out.
Imagine Madara, I don't know, dropping an asteroid as one of his classic shows of force? And you don't have the forces of the canon timeline Shinobi Alliance even if everyone chose to show up. The Villages are a fraction the size, having only had a generation to recruit and reproduce.
And Konoha will have been almost completely cut off from funding and will be effectively surrounded.
Morale would be shit and some people might actually just turn coat.
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Magoose
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As a twin, I understand that feeling. Because really, I'm the youngest child in my family... by one minute and 58 seconds.
Yeah... Things are going to get very complicated very fast if Madara gets what he wants.
And if Madara is even a fraction of the power he had in canon... well he might just win, and we'll be starting Akatsuki (or whatever we want to call it) early, only this time to save the world instead of being manipulated by Madara Uchiha to further his own goals.
Hmm... An extremely overpowered character becoming emperor through his machinations, a bitter old mentor figure who is wise, powerful, and flawed, with a ragtag bunch of misfits fighting against him?
Can somebody say rebel alliance?
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Is Madara taking over really that bad? Even with his issues, he was still part of the duo that ended the warring clans era.
Him ruling just requires us to play things properly.
Like, sure he betrayed the village but crimes wise I'm pretty sure all he did was throw down with hashirama over not being Hokage (and tobirama being a paranoid dick).
Him ruling just requires us to play things properly.
Like, sure he betrayed the village but crimes wise I'm pretty sure all he did was throw down with hashirama over not being Hokage (and tobirama being a paranoid dick).
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Blame Danzo memes are firing up ladies and gentlemen!
Edit: fucking phone...
Blame Danzo memes are firing up ladies and gentlemen!
Edit: fucking phone...
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Blame Danzo.
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Fixed it...I'm on my phone and so times I hate autocorrect.
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If that happens
A big one. This world is sparsely populated for good reasons.
But it would not be a kind age for anyone we care about unless things go perfectly. Our brother is host to the Fox. Do you think Madara wouldn't carve him open like a fish to possess his steed once again? He can bind demons to his will and, if its the most expedient course, its a small sacrifice for a golden age. There are many, many such sacrifices. Everyone we know would be at risk, especially if the Villages don't immediately fold.
He would be Quin Shi Huang. That is both optimistic and terrifying as hell.
As big a concern is, as I stated before, eventually he dies. Maybe he cheats his way back to life, maybe he fails or is sabotaged, but things will fall apart while he is gone. East Asian civil wars were some of the nastiest things in history and those lacked city-leveling elementalist fist-wizards.
It would be something of a mix I think? The Elemental Nations being more or less united under a Tenno with that much personal power and a provable claim to a Mandate of Heaven would probably lead to a renaissance. For your average rice farming peasant or petty burgher it would probably be an improvement.
A big one. This world is sparsely populated for good reasons.
But it would not be a kind age for anyone we care about unless things go perfectly. Our brother is host to the Fox. Do you think Madara wouldn't carve him open like a fish to possess his steed once again? He can bind demons to his will and, if its the most expedient course, its a small sacrifice for a golden age. There are many, many such sacrifices. Everyone we know would be at risk, especially if the Villages don't immediately fold.
He would be Quin Shi Huang. That is both optimistic and terrifying as hell.
As big a concern is, as I stated before, eventually he dies. Maybe he cheats his way back to life, maybe he fails or is sabotaged, but things will fall apart while he is gone. East Asian civil wars were some of the nastiest things in history and those lacked city-leveling elementalist fist-wizards.
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Magoose
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Let me put it to you this way... Unless Madra and his descendants can somehow become the badest motherfuckers in the whole world for at least Three generations, then the Elemental Nations have a chance to have a golden age under an Uchiha emperor... that may last for another ten before it collapses.
If he fails, you're going to have the romance of the Three kingdoms times twenty.
That is almost impossible without a ludicrous amount of luck that was only seen with (in my own opinion), the five good emperors of Rome, the Han Dynasty's first rulers, The first Eight Presidents of the United States with Abe Lincon cementing it.
If an empire is going to last here in this setting? The Emperor, whoever it is, needs to be Marcus Aurelius (A student of Philosophy), Lincon (A student of Law) Bismark (A Diplomat of unparalleled skill and acumen), and Oda (Brilliant general and Ruthless bastard.), for three generations in a row.
No time in human history has there ever been three heads of state that brilliant in succession within an empire to my knowledge besides the 5 good emperors.
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Perhaps he was one of the people talking.
I mean, fourth shinobi war... he kinda did remain able to fight the world for another three generations.
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I meant after his death and or before he resurrects himself again.
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I mean, all he needs to do is trick other people into thinking he's not dead until he resurrects himself. At that point hail the immortal god emperor Madara.
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Actually? Yes, I totally believe he wouldn't carve open our brother to get the fox. His actions might cause the death of children, but he isn't far enough gone yet to make any plan that explicitly requires him to kill a kid. He ended the warring clans era specifically so children didn't have to die for shit like that anymore.
Now, he might take our brother to
Eh, they don't actually need to be that good of a ruler -- they just need to be fuck off powerful enough to enforce their rule. Especially since the more people with power that don't mind the new rule, the less powerful the successor would need to be.
Might makes right is how the Elemental Nations work at this point. They've just had a few of the most powerful people in the last generation or two decide that the constant war was stupid and that people should try to not be dicks to each other.
...Or they could just fall back on the classic trick of unite a group and pick an enemy for everyone to hate trick. If the conflict can last long enough (and is successful) then they can more easily cement their rule.
But if the goal is just to prevent things from going all Romance of the Three Kingdoms, the only thing that really needs to be insured is that there are no equal successor factions. If one is dominant over the others, things will probably work out mostly fine. Which can be accomplished by fracturing factions, strengthening one, or even establishing alliances as needed.
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He just needs to actually conquer the elemental nations. Honestly the easiest way to peace is outright conquest and then eliminate the warrior class aka the shinobi by breaking their monopoly and recruiting their top talent away from the villages for less violent purposes.
If you want to fix the ninja world you need to break the ninja as a culture.