Isn't that using the harmonial link to apologize for what is rooted in Amanda's use of the harmonial network during the Mars miracle?
 
Isn't that using the harmonial link to apologize for what is rooted in Amanda's use of the harmonial network during the Mars miracle?

No. Twist in Harmony centres the process around your apology, using it as a means to restore trust proactively.

I'll leave this open for the rest of the day, as some votes have switched over. If the trend continues, it'll stay open longer.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Aug 14, 2018 at 9:00 AM, finished with 11977 posts and 21 votes.
 
[x] A Twist in Harmony

It's what I was thinking about voting in the first place. I was just preoccupied yesterday.
 
Using Harmonial Link is way cooler than normal therapy, but The Web Beneath feels... abusive.

To be clear, none of these options are wrong; you rolled a Greater Success and that's going to hold. It's why Vega came to you, instead of the other way around. What matters right now is what you feel is most right for this situation. It won't do anything to your success, but it will affect the way your relationship with Vega evolves in the future.
None of the choices are wrong, per se. It's mostly "take time", "rebuild relationship around apology", or "use the Harmonial link Vega extended to mindmeld".

I'm thinking that spending an action next turn on helping Vega make sure she can cope with the spotlight is definitely not a bad idea, and if it is done in concert with helping re-establish Amanda and Vega's relationship friendship, that's not a bad thing.

[x] The Slow Way
 
None of the choices are wrong, per se. It's mostly "take time", "rebuild relationship around apology", or "use the Harmonial link Vega extended to mindmeld".

I'm thinking that spending an action next turn on helping Vega make sure she can cope with the spotlight is definitely not a bad idea, and if it is done in concert with helping re-establish Amanda and Vega's relationship friendship, that's not a bad thing.

[x] The Slow Way

It would be great if you are correct, but I actually think that some choices are better than others here, for example using Practice to solve this problem would probably backfire, in my opinion.

Slow way and twist might both lead to a good outcome, I am not certain about it, though.
 
It would be great if you are correct, but I actually think that some choices are better than others here, for example using Practice to solve this problem would probably backfire, in my opinion.

Slow way and twist might both lead to a good outcome, I am not certain about it, though.

Just weighing in here. This:

As Snowfire said, we got a Greater Success. None of these are going to backfire.

Is exactly correct.

The end result, depending on your choice, will be different. That doesn't mean that any of those results will be negative. You may take this as Word of God.
 
Hrrm. So our method will work but it boils down to how...
[X] The Slow Way
I'm inclined to this-feels like there's some practical concerns/issues on top of the burnout woes Vega's tussling with.
 
[X] A Twist in Harmony

I would tend towards just talking it out but the way it is worded seems far too passive to me given the circumstances. We fucked up so we apologize and set forth to do what we can not just leave ourselves available for her to approach, that is simply how the normal should be so it is not enough when things have gone wrong.
 
So if I'm not mistaken, this vote is creeping perilously close to a draw. I'll leave it up overnight and see if that changes at all before I'm finished with work tomorrow. It's been interesting to see the sudden surge, though.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Aug 14, 2018 at 6:13 PM, finished with 11990 posts and 29 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Aug 14, 2018 at 6:14 PM, finished with 11991 posts and 30 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Aug 15, 2018 at 4:25 AM, finished with 12000 posts and 34 votes.
 
[X] The Slow Way
Adhoc vote count started by andrewopk on Aug 14, 2018 at 6:23 PM, finished with 11992 posts and 31 votes.
 
[X] The Slow Way
Iunno, to me options 2 and three feel a bit too much like patchwork for some reason, and that we need to take the time to do it right.
To mangle a metaphor, it's like if the ground beneath a house isn't quite right, it's the difference between driving deeper supports into the ground to support the building and taking the resources (time and effort and talking in this case) to go and solidify the terrain to make it good ground to build on. Both work, but the long way feels more... Solid? Deep? Sturdy? Something like that.
 
[X] The Slow Way
Iunno, to me options 2 and three feel a bit too much like patchwork for some reason, and that we need to take the time to do it right.
To mangle a metaphor, it's like if the ground beneath a house isn't quite right, it's the difference between driving deeper supports into the ground to support the building and taking the resources (time and effort and talking in this case) to go and solidify the terrain to make it good ground to build on. Both work, but the long way feels more... Solid? Deep? Sturdy? Something like that.
Spending more time does not necessarily translate to doing it right though. Our Speakers perform Miracles in seconds; doesn't mean they didn't do it right.
Note that part of Vega's issue is that we took too much time, not that we took too little.

To give a RL example, if you have in some way wronged a sibling or a spouse or a close friend?
Simply taking off weekend work for the rest of the year at home and making sure they know you're available is a significant amount of time investment, but it doesn't necessarily translate to

You need to be proactive in order to attempt to rebuild the breach. On the other hand, you can be too proactive, and lean into pressuring the person.
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 14, 2018 at 9:33 PM, finished with 11996 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] The Slow Way
    [X] A Twist in Harmony
    [X] The Slow Way: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Right now, Vega is hurting, but you can't just…fix that. She needs time and a safe space to express herself. You can give her that. (Will lock an action to Harmonic Voice next turn)
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
    [X] The Web Beneath: Vega is opening herself to you again, and you can give her so much more support through the Harmonic link than by voice or time. Offer that to her, that she might express herself. And let you do the same.
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 14, 2018 at 9:34 PM, finished with 11996 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] The Slow Way
    [X] A Twist in Harmony
    [X] The Slow Way: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Right now, Vega is hurting, but you can't just…fix that. She needs time and a safe space to express herself. You can give her that. (Will lock an action to Harmonic Voice next turn)
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
    [X] The Web Beneath: Vega is opening herself to you again, and you can give her so much more support through the Harmonic link than by voice or time. Offer that to her, that she might express herself. And let you do the same.
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 14, 2018 at 9:34 PM, finished with 11996 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] The Slow Way
    [X] A Twist in Harmony
    [X] The Slow Way: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Right now, Vega is hurting, but you can't just…fix that. She needs time and a safe space to express herself. You can give her that. (Will lock an action to Harmonic Voice next turn)
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
    [X] The Web Beneath: Vega is opening herself to you again, and you can give her so much more support through the Harmonic link than by voice or time. Offer that to her, that she might express herself. And let you do the same.
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 14, 2018 at 9:36 PM, finished with 11996 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] The Slow Way
    [X] A Twist in Harmony
    [X] The Slow Way: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Right now, Vega is hurting, but you can't just…fix that. She needs time and a safe space to express herself. You can give her that. (Will lock an action to Harmonic Voice next turn)
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
    [X] The Web Beneath: Vega is opening herself to you again, and you can give her so much more support through the Harmonic link than by voice or time. Offer that to her, that she might express herself. And let you do the same.
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 15, 2018 at 3:50 AM, finished with 11999 posts and 34 votes.

  • [X] The Slow Way
    [X] A Twist in Harmony
    [X] The Slow Way: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Right now, Vega is hurting, but you can't just…fix that. She needs time and a safe space to express herself. You can give her that. (Will lock an action to Harmonic Voice next turn)
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
    [X] The Web Beneath: Vega is opening herself to you again, and you can give her so much more support through the Harmonic link than by voice or time. Offer that to her, that she might express herself. And let you do the same.
    [X] A Twist in Harmony: There is pain here, great pain, and you were always taught to take responsibility for what you did to others, accidentally or otherwise. Apologise for this now, and work with Vega to restore the harmony you once shared over the rest of the year.
 
You need to be proactive in order to attempt to rebuild the breach. On the other hand, you can be too proactive, and lean into pressuring the person.
In the context of this vote, that won't happen. I think it'll be more of 'slow way' leaves initiative to Vega, letting her take her own time and redefine the relation towards Amanda on her terms, whereas 'twist' has Amanda take the initiative and rebuild the relation with her being the more active part.
 
In the context of this vote, that won't happen. I think it'll be more of 'slow way' leaves initiative to Vega, letting her take her own time and redefine the relation towards Amanda on her terms, whereas 'twist' has Amanda take the initiative and rebuild the relation with her being the more active part.
I'm not even sure it's that; it's that Slow Way commits Amanda to completely solving Vega's problems, while Twisted Harmony just does enough to get Vega back on the horse, so to speak.

As I see it, the problem with Vega is twofold. On one hand you have Amanda's presumption during Mytikas: her taking the reigns of Vega's team, Vega's project, and Vega herself in order to Speak using their Circle's power and preparations, and then not really making time for Vega in the year afterward to reassure her that yes we do trust her to make decisions for herself. This issue is solved in both Twisted Harmony and Slow Way through a path of actualization, of raising Vega up to take her rightful place as an equal and colleague, as opposed to Web Beneath which sort of locks her into a more subordinate role.

That view is why I immediately eliminated Web Beneath, but what settled me on Slow Way is that we're seeing something else going on here, namely that Vega is overwhelmed by her new fame, power, and recognition. The best thing for her would be to get out of the spotlight for awhile, like Amanda did, but unlike Amanda she can't just take a sabbatical because the timelines for her own projects are too tight, so she's fraying around the edges. That, I think, is the more important of Vega's two problems, and the one that Slow Way is meant to deal with most directly. As I see it, Twisted Harmony is narrowly about rebuilding Vega's relationship with Amanda, but Slow Way is about building Vega up into a person who can stand with her or alone, if need be; I think she's going to need that, unless all my OT3 jibes are meant to be a template for the future.
 
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In the context of this vote, that won't happen. I think it'll be more of 'slow way' leaves initiative to Vega, letting her take her own time and redefine the relation towards Amanda on her terms, whereas 'twist' has Amanda take the initiative and rebuild the relation with her being the more active part.
But Vega doesn't want to redefine the relationship towards Amanda on her terms. At least not entirely on her terms.
One of her specific grouses was the lack of reachout, lack of initiative on Amanda's part.
She understood why it didn't happen, but she still feels hurt at it's absence.

Slow Way seems to double down on not reaching out, and waits for Vega to move.
Mandy's available, and there for her, but only does as much as is asked.

The GM has pretty much stated that our roll means we succeed regardless of choice. But that our choice matters in our relationship going forward.

Slow Way is how you treat a colleague; maybe a grad student. A Twist In Harmony feels like how you'd treat a close friend or a sibling.
The Web is how you'd react to someone who you've been intimate with; not necessarily a lover, but someone whose inner self and reactions you are utterly familiar with, to the point of being able to identify unspoken boundaries.

So it seems to me anyway.
I'm not even sure it's that; it's that Slow Way commits Amanda to completely solving Vega's problems, while Twisted Harmony just does enough to get Vega back on the horse, so to speak.
I don't think that's accurate either.
Amanda has never been characterized as the sort of person to leave stuff like this half-done either, and the GM has promised success regardless of choice. Just that our choice helps define our relationship going forward.

As I see it, Twisted Harmony is narrowly about rebuilding Vega's relationship with Amanda, but Slow Way is about building Vega up into a person who can stand with her or alone, if need be; I think she's going to need that, unless all my OT3 jibes are meant to be a template for the future.
I can see why you'd think this, I guess. But I don't think that's what she actually wants, or something there's a need for.
She was capable of standing on her own for a year after all; that's ipso facto evidence that she

What she seemed after was more emotional support than an extra hand with the workload.
It's like how Adria didn't need help; her need was for someone to reassure her that it was OK to feel overwhelmed sometimes, to seek comfort.
 
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