And you'd be wrong.
Diagnoses like
antisocial behavior are never made in isolation; you don't pick one symptom and wave it about.
The early symptoms of indoctrination can look like schizophrenia with paranoid ideation, or PTSD, which has a different clinical presentation.
You're missing the gist of my point, which is that the perspective of the people who called it antisocial behavior matters more than the diagnosis itself when we don't actually have the specific symptoms that led to that conclusion or know the methods they used to determine the symptoms.
Obviously different both in medium and effect.
Indoctrination always seems to end in severe, permanent mental damage, with the only thing retarding that process being Reaper intervention.
These guys are mentally intact.
The quoted section is describing, specifically, the results of direct exposure the signal from Sovereign itself rather than from a separate artifact. Rana is exposed indirectly to the indoctrination signal and, almost definitely, for more time than the week required to directly turn someone into a mindless thrall, but she's clearly lucid before the events that led to her death in ME3. Benezia is clearly indoctrinated, and also seems to be lucid, if a complete asshole, before she breaks free of her indoctrination temporarily. There's no indication in either of their conversations, anything after that in ME1, or on the wiki itself that their lucidity is due to a specific choice of Sovereign's. The Batarian government, though also indoctrinated by a Reaper, were almost definitely lucid, or at least seemed externally to be.
However, even if we're looking at a possible Reaper artifact, we're definitely not looking at a Reaper, so Object Rho would potentially be a better indicator. Kenson and her team were all exposed to Object Rho for what was realistically more than a week, and Kenson is also clearly lucid.
The part of the wiki you're quoting is one limited section based on one event that's contradicted by other parts of the wiki. The effects of indoctrination are, frankly, ambiguous. Either it causes people to become mindless thralls, or it doesn't. The effects are heavy and complete after only a week unless it isn't. The voices send people into a mindless rage, or they don't do anything for years. The only
consistent metric we can use for determining whether the artifact is Reapertech is whether or not they're hearing voices, and I'm not ready to dismiss Reapertech as a possibility until that's determined convincingly.
I'll give you that the sequence of events could use elaboration.
But I'm going with GM intent here; if they say they were attempting to blow the station and were still lucid, the GM is obviously not trying to call up the classic manifestation of Reaper indoctrination exposure.
I gave two examples. In the first, we know Kenson was still lucid when she tried to blow her station, and, as you said, it was less about suicide than it was an attempt to stop Shepard. This first scenario meshes with the supposition that the researchers attempted to destroy the station after the irregulars attacked to prevent exactly what happened: the researchers were all either killed or imprisoned, the danger the artifact presents is known, and the artifact is contained. That's a reasonable scenario no matter what the artifact's origin is. The second example, you made a decent point about:
As for Rana Thanoptis, we don't actually know the circumstances of her death.
Was she simply suffering from PTSD? How did she fall into custody after killing military officers?
The report with all available information is
here. She's pretty clearly suffering from indoctrination, and it seems to be from "providing research assistance on Reaper technology" in exchange from a pardon for her stuff with Saren. I'll grant you that the suicide is "alleged," though, and not knowing the circumstances of her death, we can't use it for evidence of much.
The Reapers fight wars every fifty thousand years or so; the one against the Protheans apparently lasted several hundred years.
And despite that, we are counting Reaper artifacts from canon on the fingers of one hand.
In a volume of space constituting much of the known galaxy, inhabited by hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of spacefaring sapients.
Consider exactly how much identifiable shit an Earthborne army leaves behind.
We are still finding WW2 bombs in Europe.
The Reapers really don't leave anything behind.
I'm not saying they're left lying
everywhere, but they pretty clearly do leave things behind, and I don't know why you're trying to say they don't. Do the examples I gave just not count for some reason?
Fake edit: I may have conflated an argument someone else made with one you'd made when I was making the argument you were responding to here, as I didn't see exactly what I was looking for when I was reading back through your statements here since the update, so I may have come across differently than I intended.
Specifically, my stance is that, though rare, the Reapers did leave the occasional piece of Reapertech in unexpected places. They have been around for upward of 37 million years based on just the dead Reaper Cerberus found and nearly a billion based on the Leviathan of Dis, and the Precursor civilization probably falls within the time frame that the Reapers have been operating. So, based on those observations, the object isn't inherently disqualified from being Reapertech on either of those grounds.
