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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest

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[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.

Doesn't matter if this is reaper tech or not. It subverts people via methods we are incapable of detecting. The methods of securing the item are a guess based on limited, unverified, untrustworthy, data.
There is no SAFE way to study or store the damn thing. We trash the damn thing and study the mind fucked researchers and whatever data is left after wrecking it. Including the spectrograph of the thing burning in the sun.
 
[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.

No way we want to even touch this shit. It's way to dangerous.
 
Spacegnom said:
Taking control of someone and then force them to destroy the artifact/ kill themselves sounds much more like the Leviathans than Indoctrination.
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You're right:
The Intelligence's betrayal of its creators was sudden and devastating. Its pawns slaughtered most of the Leviathans, using their genetic material to create the very first Reaper, Harbinger, who was physically designed after the Leviathans themselves. The surviving Leviathans went into hiding, while the Intelligence used Harbinger to begin the cyclical harvest of the galaxy's species to create more Reapers, all in an effort to solve the problem of preserving life. The Leviathans acknowledge the Intelligence still serves its purpose as a tool, but they believe it has not fulfilled its purpose of preserving life.

As the Leviathans hid, they surreptitiously enthralled subsequent species to erase the remaining evidence of their existence. Resigned to the Reapers' reign, they focused their efforts on ensuring the survival of their species, watching the galaxy through organic "artifacts" for signs of their discovery. Though they had the power to destroy Reapers, demonstrated when they killed the Leviathan of Dis, the Leviathans declined to aid the galaxy's species against the Reapers.
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Leviathan
It could be them, it could be someone previously unknown. Especially since the Leviathans are aquatic, and nothing says the Precursor planets we've discovered were especially watery.
 
[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.
 
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
[X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.
[X] Continue full experimentation. While the Lystheni's direction of research was utter madness, they weren't wrong about the sheer potential of this artifact. If it can be invented once, it can be invented again -- and you'd like to know if there's a countermeasure. Authorize a full and proper team, and tell them to get you answers.
 
Putting aside whether it's Reaper tech or not, we are not currently in a position to be researching this. Maybe later if we ice it and the Rachni war has ended, but for now we're focusing on setting up future integration of a vassal, keeping the war effort strong, exploiting the more relevant research opportunities we have (such as medical research yo), and so on.

For now, here's my vote, with sun included because on ice is uncomfortably behind.
[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
 
Goi said:
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
[X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.
[X] Continue full experimentation. While the Lystheni's direction of research was utter madness, they weren't wrong about the sheer potential of this artifact. If it can be invented once, it can be invented again -- and you'd like to know if there's a countermeasure. Authorize a full and proper team, and tell them to get you answers.
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What do you mean by this? You're saying we should do all three?
 
Rihtan said:
Doesn't matter if this is reaper tech or not. It subverts people via methods we are incapable of detecting. The methods of securing the item are a guess based on limited, unverified, untrustworthy, data.
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You. Have. No. Defence. Against. It. Being. Used. Against. You.
Not without studying it. Putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala doesn't help us.

Pretending it doesn't exist won't do us any good the next time some antagonist drops a couple emitters on your planet. Or kidnaps a couple colonists, and then sends them back to your space with "artifacts". You know, like the Collectors.

The Protheans studied mind control, and not on a lark.
That's why the Vendetta VI was able to detect indoctrinated people.
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There is no SAFE way to study or store the damn thing.
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This is explicitly false.
The update makes it clear that the lystheni figured out how to do it, even on their limited budget.
There is a reason why lystheni space wasn't in rebellion against the dalatrass.
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Apr 11, 2018 at 9:09 AM, finished with 143 posts and 64 votes.
  • [X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.
    [X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.
    [X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
    [X] Continue full experimentation. While the Lystheni's direction of research was utter madness, they weren't wrong about the sheer potential of this artifact. If it can be invented once, it can be invented again -- and you'd like to know if there's a countermeasure. Authorize a full and proper team, and tell them to get you answers.
    [X]Plan Sunshine
    --[X] Full disclosure of Lystheni history and society, including their origins and the nature of their animosity towards the Citadel (Lystheni forced to stop being cagey).
    --[X] The resumption of trade, this time on Virmirean terms (resumed trade relations with an open market, economically subordinating the Lystheni to you and proving far more profitable than the previous, protectionist agreement).
    --[X] All Lystheni military assets placed under your command.
    --[X] Full disclosure and surrender of the stations in Sikel in violation of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (get the artifacts and the stations on which they sit, along with experimental records).
    --[X] A network of your best observation posts throughout Lystheni space (become Big Sister).
    --[X] Full lystheni intelligence records
    --[X] The dissolution of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (claim the LBZ).
    --[X] Claim all Lystheni research sites. Allow joint access to vetted lystheni scientists on condition of full data disclosure.
    --[X] Economic support of Lystheni interests, working towards a common understanding and cooperation (basically civilian Marshall Plan by Virmirean companies OR the FDO).
    [X][SISTER] Imprisonment. People in favor of the death penalty would object to this one, but those against would love it, so it comes out to as popular.
    [X][DAD] Imprison him in Virmirean space. More proportional to anything he's actually done, and Shereel asked that he live, so it's not a hard concession.
    [X] Write-In: Super limited experiments. Perform ONE course of experiments, with short exposure of a small number of volunteer subjects, using every sensor available to see if we can detect the mind-affecting mechanism. Run every known form of brain scan on the volunteers to see if we can spot signs of those who have been affected by every means, OTHER than simply monitoring their behavior. If we learn anything, put it on ice and figure out what to do next. If we can't detect the mind control process and can't detect signs of it in victims, throw it into the sun.
    [X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.​
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[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.
 
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
 
uju32 said:
Mind control =/= Reapertech.
Canon had at least three different species capable of total mind control: Reapers, Leviathan, and Thorian. The Leviathan were actually the best at it, and indoctrination was allegedly developed from observing them.

There is no WoG I am aware of. But none of the people are ACTING like indoctrinated people from Mass Effect.
We know how Indoctrination manifested in canon salarians. None of this.
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How so? The behavior of indoctrinated individuals changed depending upon the person and the situation. The Salarians in ME1 were exposed to indoctrination by Saren until they became mindless thralls, but nowhere is it stated that Salarians go straight to zombie level. It actually always seemed like the Reapers, or whatever was in their artifacts, could determine the extent and focus of the brainwashing. Contrast the subtle indoctrination of Saren or the Illusive Man versus the cultish behavior of the Alliance team in Arrival.

My other issue is that leaving tech like this somewhere is a risk to our own stability. If hostile actors find out about it, they might try something like stealing it and planting it in a major government center, or at a military base, with the intent of subverting our government or causing civil war.
 
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
[X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.


Dangerous? Yes, most certainly. Less dangerous than throwing it into the sun and hoping we never face mind control affects again? Absolutely, especially since there are several cases in canon of antagonists with mind control.
 
Bruce-Man said:
No way we want to even touch this shit. It's way to dangerous.
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By this argument, we should destroy all xenotech we come across.
Because we have no idea of knowing what longterm effects they can have.

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How so? The behavior of indoctrinated individuals changed depending upon the person and the situation.
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They tried to blow up the fusion reactor of their space station. With themselves inside.
At no point in time have indoctrinated EVER attempted to commit suicide in canon.
Or to attempt to remove the indoctrination/mind control focus away from others.

Remember, they are weapons and infiltrators.
Destroying themselves without achieving anything is of no purpose.
Ergo, this is not Reapertech.

Whether it's Leviathan tech, or some unknown, remains to be seen.
QuietlyObserving said:
My other issue is that leaving tech like this somewhere is a risk to our own stability. If hostile actors find out about it, they might try something like stealing it and planting it in a major government center, or at a military base, with the intent of subverting our government or causing civil war.
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Hostile actors already have access to suitcase nukes, bioweapons and starships as improvised kinetic kill vehicles. And they all exist now, and will exist unless we literally burn the galaxy to cinders.
There are much easier ways to cause mayhem than to attempt to steal xenotech and use it to induce insurrection; that's Bond villain level of dumbness.

And if we're so bloody incompetent as to miss the removal of a xenotech artifact from a highsecurity research facility and into a military base?
We might as well pack it up and go home, because we're too stupid to live.
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Apr 11, 2018 at 9:21 AM, finished with 149 posts and 67 votes.
  • [X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.
    [X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.
    [X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
    [X] Continue full experimentation. While the Lystheni's direction of research was utter madness, they weren't wrong about the sheer potential of this artifact. If it can be invented once, it can be invented again -- and you'd like to know if there's a countermeasure. Authorize a full and proper team, and tell them to get you answers.
    [X]Plan Sunshine
    --[X] Full disclosure of Lystheni history and society, including their origins and the nature of their animosity towards the Citadel (Lystheni forced to stop being cagey).
    --[X] The resumption of trade, this time on Virmirean terms (resumed trade relations with an open market, economically subordinating the Lystheni to you and proving far more profitable than the previous, protectionist agreement).
    --[X] All Lystheni military assets placed under your command.
    --[X] Full disclosure and surrender of the stations in Sikel in violation of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (get the artifacts and the stations on which they sit, along with experimental records).
    --[X] A network of your best observation posts throughout Lystheni space (become Big Sister).
    --[X] Full lystheni intelligence records
    --[X] The dissolution of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (claim the LBZ).
    --[X] Claim all Lystheni research sites. Allow joint access to vetted lystheni scientists on condition of full data disclosure.
    --[X] Economic support of Lystheni interests, working towards a common understanding and cooperation (basically civilian Marshall Plan by Virmirean companies OR the FDO).
    [X][SISTER] Imprisonment. People in favor of the death penalty would object to this one, but those against would love it, so it comes out to as popular.
    [X][DAD] Imprison him in Virmirean space. More proportional to anything he's actually done, and Shereel asked that he live, so it's not a hard concession.
    [X] Write-In: Super limited experiments. Perform ONE course of experiments, with short exposure of a small number of volunteer subjects, using every sensor available to see if we can detect the mind-affecting mechanism. Run every known form of brain scan on the volunteers to see if we can spot signs of those who have been affected by every means, OTHER than simply monitoring their behavior. If we learn anything, put it on ice and figure out what to do next. If we can't detect the mind control process and can't detect signs of it in victims, throw it into the sun.
    [X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.​
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Actually, now that I think about it, an interesting idea would be to found a government agency similar to the SCP Foundation to deal with poorly-understood and potentially dangerous artifacts such as these.

[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisit experiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
 
[X] Fire it into the sun. Durrahe has the right of it. Whatever mad idea the Precursors had in mind when they engineered it, you can't think of any value to be had in learning how to implant anarchist ideology. Hell, any ideology. Despite how Lissa occasionally worries about you, you are not an autocrat, and you certainly have no interest in this madness.

Like hell we're touching any reaper tech.
 
uju32 said:
This is explicitly false.
The update makes it clear that the lystheni figured out how to do it, even on their limited budget.
There is a reason why lystheni space wasn't in rebellion against the dalatrass.
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
 
We don't want to mess with this shit. We'll might as well be killing any researcher we throw at this thing. Sure we won't know how it works and sure maybe we won't be able to fucking miraculously find a way to prevent indoctrination with tech 2000 years before canon, when all the researchers who tried to study indoctrination were indoctrinated. Call me crazy, but I don't mind that trade off.
 
uju32 said:
They tried to blow up the fusion reactor of their space station. With themselves inside.
At no point in time have indoctrinated EVER attempted to commit suicide in canon.
Or to attempt to remove the indoctrination/mind control focus away from others.

Remember, they are weapons and infiltrators.
Destroying themselves without achieving anything is of no purpose.
Ergo, this is not Reapertech.
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A stretched conclusion. In canon, there's a fairly small sample size of indoctrinated, not nearly enough to make that generalization. More to the point, you are concluding that the entire purpose of the indoctrination was to destroy the station. They were under assault when they tried to overload the core. I can see the indoctrinated mentality leading to a last ditch denial. They couldn't succeed, so they attempted to destroy all evidence of the indoctrination. Considering the Reaping isn't due for another two millennia, is it strange they'd try to cover their tracks?

The Reapers also don't always do subtle, either. Case in point, the Rachni.
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that's Bond villain level of dumbness.
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Very true. To rebut: Cerberus.
 
Bruce-Man said:
What do you mean by this? You're saying we should do all three?
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1) Approval voting is the standard for this quest.
Bruce-Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
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Bruce-Man said:
We don't want to mess with this shit. We'll might as well be killing any researcher we throw at this thing. Sure we won't know how it works and sure maybe we won't be able to fucking miraculously find a way to prevent indoctrination with tech 2000 years before canon, when all the researchers who tried to study indoctrination were indoctrinated. Call me crazy, but I don't mind that trade off.
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2) This is probably not Indoctrination. The updates says the mind-controlled scientists tried to blow up the station. Such behavior has never been shown by indoctrinated individuals. It looks much more like Leviathan mind control.
3) Per WOG 'Limited' would not risk our scientists:
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limited would focus on things like observation of previous exposure subjects — the Lystheni have an extensive lineup of individuals at every point of exposure from one hour to five hundred hours — and remote observation of the artifact.
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[X] Continue limited experiments. With exposure trajectories already charted for you by the Dalatrasses' sprint to fathom the bottom of sapient morality, you have what you need to ethically study this thing. Of course, the prior experiments also show the dangers of the artifact, so you'd best tread carefully.
[X] Put it on ice. This thing is dangerous to study even with detailed notes on its effects, but its principles show promise. It's likely that you simply don't have the technology to productively study it at this point, but you can release the research notes and wait for them to click for somebody. You can always revisitexperiments later if a promising avenue of research crops up.
 
Bruce-Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
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Bruce-Man said:
We don't want to mess with this shit. We'll might as well be killing any researcher we throw at this thing. Sure we won't know how it works and sure maybe we won't be able to fucking miraculously find a way to prevent indoctrination with tech 2000 years before canon, when all the researchers who tried to study indoctrination were indoctrinated. Call me crazy, but I don't mind that trade off.
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No it's being stupid and wasting the best possible chance to conduct actual long term study on this type of technology. Are there going to be casualties amongst the researchers studying them? Yes. Welcome back to the early days of radiation study where the scientists and researchers had not a damn clue on what they were doing and what the dangers were. I fully expect that the first things our researchers are going to gain is ample amounts of data on the effects of Indoctrination and finding out what doesn't work in protecting against it.

As I've kept saying this is the type of shit that takes decades of exhaustive research in order to figure out and just burying our heads in the sand will help no one. We know OOC that the Reapers are out there, we know OOC that at the very least Indoctrination leaves signs that can be detected if you know what to look for(the Protheans figured that out) and we know IC that these artifacts are work via principles we have no clue about which is all the reason for studying them(so we can figure out how those principles work).
 
Bruce-Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
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1) It did not say they were indoctrinated.
Indoctrination is Reapertech. This is not Reapertech, by all known OOC metrics.
"The artifact induced severely antisocial behavior. The researchers banded together and attempted to seize their station. By the time Lystheni irregulars seized control of the platform, the researchers were in the process of attempting to overload its power core. In interrogations, they were lucid, but intractably hostile. They voiced a noted distaste for the Dalatrass's agenda and authority where before they had been among her most loyal servants. It had all of the trappings of an ideologically anarchist revolt, but in individuals with no history of such beliefs."
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NONE of that is characteristic of Reaper indoctrination in salarians.

2)It said they were subverted BEFORE the government realized it had an effect on people. I quote:
He rolls his eyes. "Naturally. I, on the other hand, am your man in charge of, approximately, precisely this." He lays his hands on the desk in front of him. "To launch right into things: the Sikel sites were, of course, devoted entirely to the artifacts removed from SO 4. However, shortly after the move was completed it became apparent that researchers and staff in regular contact with a particular artifact had been adversely affected by the proximity, despite what I must begrudgingly admit were unimpeachable containment procedures."
"It, 'became apparent?'" you ask, letting the sheer lack of context present in those words do the talking.
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"Surprisingly, her intention was not to use it to sow chaos within Virmirean space," says Durrahe. "Not principally, anyway. She did have plans along those lines, but her primary objective was to discover how the artifact functioned so that she could reverse the affect and apply it to her own people."

You consider that for a moment before shuddering. "That's...disgusting."

He gives you a grim nod. "Yes, it is. And it would have been terrifyingly effective. Unfortunately, it would seem that her efforts to even determine the artifact's means of acting on its subjects were for naught. They haven't even detected what causes these effects. The exposure experiments were a matter of shooting blind. They found nothing, of course." He makes a gesture of distaste. "If you want my opinion, we should scrub the experiments. The artifact's effects on salarians are well-tracked. Two hundred and forty hours' exposure on typical work cycles or ninety-six hours continuous exposure to first observable effects. The artifact has been isolated on its own station -- a lystheni model flown out specifically for the task. I suggest hooking it to a tug and dragging it into the Sikel primary."
"Definitely a strong contender," you say grimacing. "I'll consider it." You sigh. "And what else do we have to handle?"
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Again, it is self-evident that distance is enough to prevent it's effects, since all they had to do was put it on a different space station.
And there is currently no evidence that the effect is transmitted over radio, or light, or whatever.
You know, the first things the lystheni would have checked.

Bruce-Man said:
We don't want to mess with this shit. We'll might as well be killing any researcher we throw at this thing. Sure we won't know how it works and sure maybe we won't be able to fucking miraculously find a way to prevent indoctrination with tech 2000 years before canon, when all the researchers who tried to study indoctrination were indoctrinated. Call me crazy, but I don't mind that trade off.
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This is the same argument that has been made with regards to chemical weapons or nuclear weapons or genetic engineering.
Ignorance is NOT bliss. It just makes you a more attractive target.
 
Bruce-Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
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Incorrect. When they thought the artifact was just another artifact, it succeeded in subverting researchers. But they found out about the artifact. By all indications, there have been no more (accidental) exposures since the Lystheni found out. By absolutely every standard you can find, the Lystheni's present measures of containment have a 100% success rate.
 
Is it just me, but we could probably confirm whether or not its reaper tech with a visual description of the tech.

Reaper tech has a very distinctive design after all.

@PoptartProdigy this maybe rather cheeky, but are you willing to give us a description of the artefact from say...a picture Mira was shown?

Bruce-Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't it explicitly say that the Lystheni researchers were ALL INDOCTRIATED. They were specially picked to be the most loyal of citizens, and they were all subverted within a hundred days. They don't have a safe way to research this. Throwing dangerous tech that controls minds into the sun is not saying "Lets not research any new xeno tech" its being fucking sensible.
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Actually we kinda do.

Stay away from it. Its field isn't so massive we can't be careful. The Lytheni were able to the basics of how to study it safely for us thankfully. If you don't know its influence its significantly more dangerous like those initial scientists. If you do know its dangerous the risk drops like a stone as you stay away and can recognise the signs of influence.

QuietlyObserving said:
A stretched conclusion. In canon, there's a fairly small sample size of indoctrinated, not nearly enough to make that generalization. More to the point, you are concluding that the entire purpose of the indoctrination was to destroy the station. They were under assault when they tried to overload the core. I can see the indoctrinated mentality leading to a last ditch denial. They couldn't succeed, so they attempted to destroy all evidence of the indoctrination. Considering the Reaping isn't due for another two millennia, is it strange they'd try to cover their tracks?

The Reapers also don't always do subtle, either. Case in point, the Rachni.
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Kinda. While the exact motives of the indoctrinated varies they do usually try to protect reaper tech, not destroy it.

The Illusive man doesn't want Shepard to blow up the Collector base, the Cerberus scientists turn themselves unto husks to protect the wreak ect.

+ the Reapers ain't the best at hiding their tracks...kinda. They left 2 full reaper corpses lying around after all. Just nobody would connect them with...ya know. Reapers.
 
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