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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest

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[X] Plan Opening Salvo
-[X]Demands
--[X] Full disclosure of Lystheni history and society, including their origins and the nature of their animosity towards the Citadel (Lystheni forced to stop being cagey).
--[X] Full disclosure and surrender of the stations in Sikel in violation of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (get the artifacts and the stations on which they sit, along with experimental records).
-[X] Leverage
--[X] War (make your implicit threat explicit).
-[X] Concessions
--[X] A general withdrawal of military forces (stand down the 3rd RWF).

Also approval voting for Uju's plan:
[X]Plan Steamroller
--[X] Full disclosure of Lystheni history and society, including their origins and the nature of their animosity towards the Citadel (Lystheni forced to stop being cagey).
--[X] The resumption of trade, this time on Virmirean terms (resumed trade relations with an open market, economically subordinating the Lystheni to you and proving far more profitable than the previous, protectionist agreement).
--[X] Full Lystheni commitment to the Rachni War effort (all Lystheni military assets placed under your command).
--[X] Full disclosure and surrender of the stations in Sikel in violation of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (get the artifacts and the stations on which they sit, along with experimental records).
--[X] A network of your best observation posts throughout Lystheni space (become Big Sister).
-[X] Leverage
--[X] A continued complete trade embargo (what it says).
--[X] The dissolution of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty and a complete blockade of Lystheni space (claim the LBZ and put defense platforms in every system to make sure that nothing passes).
-[X] Concessions
--[X] A general withdrawal of military forces (stand down the 3rd RWF).
 
PoptartProdigy said:
A Hard Line​
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I'm honestly surprised they actually went for it.

We are keeping the civilians in medical quarantine right? And checking them for bugs?

These people need to either be absorbed entirely or treated as the barely functional client state they are until such time as they mature enough to be sane.

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[X] Plan Hard Line part 2
-[X]Demands
--[X] Full disclosure of Lystheni history and society, including their origins and the nature of their animosity towards the Citadel (Lystheni forced to stop being cagey).
--[X] The resumption of trade, this time on Virmirean terms (resumed trade relations with an open market, economically subordinating the Lystheni to you and proving far more profitable than the previous, protectionist agreement).
--[X] Full disclosure and surrender of the stations in Sikel in violation of the Virmire-Lystheni Border Treaty (get the artifacts and the stations on which they sit, along with experimental records).
--[X] A network of your best observation posts throughout Lystheni space (become Big Sister).
-[X] Leverage
--[X] War (make your implicit threat explicit).
-[X] Concessions
--[X] A general withdrawal of military forces (stand down the 3rd RWF).

To reiterate: This is not a trade negotiation. This is us giving them an ultimatum that they either let us make sure they aren't going to screw with us any more, or we will make them incapable of screwing with us any more.

I'm willing to forgo military support because… back in the day we refused to convert civilian ships for combat because doing so would be sending our people off to die. The Lystheni are pathetic soldiers and many of their warships are barely worthy of the name. If we send them into combat then we are sending people compelled to obey us to die.
On the flip-side I am not prepared to commit to propping up their economy.

I still see no reason to threaten anything but war. If we go to war everything else is irrelevant. If they refuse then we are going to war.
 
[X] Plan Opening Salvo
[X] Plan Hard Line part 2

Angelform guarantee their independence and I'll vote for your plan as well.
 
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Sir LagsAlot said:
[X] Plan Opening Salvo

Angelform guarantee their independence and I'll vote for your plan as well.
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Why? What gain is there in them being independent?

Additionally we had a massive debate about not wanting a Declaration of Independence that would put us at odds with the Citadel. Depending on what these morons are up to guaranteeing their independence could far worse for relations with the Citadel.
 
Angelform said:
Why? What gain is there in them being independent?

Additionally we had a massive debate about not wanting a Declaration of Independence that would put us at odds with the Citadel. Depending on what these morons are up to guaranteeing their independence could far worse for relations with the Citadel.
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...I didn't think about how the Citadel would react simply due to how small they are but you make a good point so I'll throw in my lot with you as well I guess.
 
I have to admit I'm a bit worried that the Lystheni may be attempting somthing while we are negotiateing
 
Prevalent117 said:
Is it frowned upon if we just kill them with war and leave the rest to rot?

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I don't handle stupidity well
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In the age of fast enough communications and, given the ability of various species to live side by side on Virmire, culture of valuing xenos to at least some extent...yeah, deliberate genocide would probably get Mira imprisoned for crimes against sapience. Especially as we have a decent Salarian constituency.

edit: well, it does not cover Rachni, but that's likely because Rachni are, well. All-devouring swarm as far as anybody can see. Lystheni are just SV-tier bad at talking to people, and unlike typical SV protagonist in such situation don't have a big enough hammer to make it irrelevant.
 
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Yeah. Better to follow through with ground invasion. Would be more efficient than either blockade or exterminatus - being cheaper than the first and leaving us with a viable colonisation prospect at not particularly great expense in the second.
 
mmm...Materialist xenophobes? who've modded their game to get the inward perfection civic.

That's how I see the Lytheni ATM.
 
[X]Plan Steamroller

I don't see why we wouldn't use all the leverage we have, especially when they're so reliant on trade with us.
 
You know, I keep hearing people saying "It's not insanity, it's incompetence!"

My response? Incompetence on this level is its own special form of insanity!
 
thamuzz said:
Honestly, I don't see this one as worth it.
As in, their fleet is so pathetic that they might actually be worth less than the logistic strain of supporting them.
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Not my plan. I even agree with your sentiment. That said it could still be useful to demand war participation from them now, so as to look 'lenient' when we drop it later on.
My perception of the intent behind Plan Steamroller was that it should show the Dalatrass how ridiculous we find her proposal.
 
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