[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
[X][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)

[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

Could you make the choices different colors? Makes it easier to tell them apart.
Adhoc vote count started by Summer Bones on Mar 2, 2018 at 4:53 PM, finished with 102 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
    [X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
    [X] eighteen
    [x] thirteen.
    [X][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)
    [X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
Ah screw it I'm up for extensive cybernetics and body mods. Let's spit in Mother Nature's eye!

[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can dothat. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
Do we know what sort of thing this would feature? Is it various cooperative sports or focusing on one for competitive purposes?
It's mixed sports, switching out weekly, for example.

Do we know of any sports specifically for Talented? I can't really imagine them competing against ordinary people under most circumstances, but the different ratings would arguably still make things unfair unless sports are divided by tier.
There's probably something just for Talented (probably telekinetics), but I've never thought about it. I'll have to think on that.

Talented can participate in normal sports after undergoing verification that no aspect of their Talent isn't able to be leveraged in the sport. So... for example, a pure external-focused Healer can still participate in shotput. Or a (receiving) telepath can participate in Archery, etc.

Can we ask her questions? Or would that be bothering her?
Sure, you can ask questions. Especially since it may help ease some of Amy's worries.

but I wouldn't put it past Ensou to throw us a curveball.
heh. HEH. MUAHAHAHAHAHA.

You'll see~



Also: I realized I've never defined what exactly innertech is. So... I ninja edited and added a little bit of description of that in from Amy's PoV near the end. This whole "working with your own world thing" is fun but definitely a learning experience for me in terms of descriptive detail.
 
[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
There's probably something just for Talented (probably telekinetics), but I've never thought about it. I'll have to think on that.
How common is the extreme-environment package we're getting? There may be leagues for those augments specifically. It's also possible that there are leagues for, or sports explicitly designed to support, heterogenous Talents.
Sure, you can ask questions. Especially since it may help ease some of Amy's worries.
Questions to ask, then:
  • What portion of people take the innertech upgrade? How many of them report satisfaction with it?
  • Does the innertech upgrade feel... invasive, you guess is the word? Are there any explicit or common complaints about it?
  • Would the augment package present any difficulties with getting other augmentations or upgrades? Does it cause problems with surgeries or other medical treatments? Are there any hints of a Version Two being in the works that you should wait two years for?
 
[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can dothat. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck no. You're perfectly happy with what you've got. It does what you want and it does it predictably. The thought of something potentially able to think for itself having access to you, literally who you are like that is just not okay—no matter how (not) advanced or intelligent it actually ends up being. Maybe other people are fine with it, but your mind is your sanctuary, and you'd like to keep it that way, thankyouverymuch.

I was tempted to go option one/no just to be totally contrary. :p

I don't have any super-strong argument for no on AI innertech because it is presumably safe and secure based on it being a standard offer, but the appeal to the current innertech everything Amy wants predictably speaks deeply to the part of me that rages every time a software update rearranges my GUI for no good reason in return for offering features I don't care about.
 
[X][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can dothat. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.
[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
[x][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)

It's too big to answer right off the bat. Need to talk to/look up the people who underwent the procedure, maybe ask them about reasons. 'Altering the body to the degree most people are not comfortable with' is just not a snap-second decision.

[x][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

This, however, is low-key enough. All it does is give us something we already have, but better... and does not come bundled with invasive body alterations.
 
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Hrrm...I REALLY wish I had a clearer notion on the whole 'altered body' thing...But lesse-
Denser bones&muscles, longer without eating/drinking, increased lung capacity, enhanced heart...Soooo...
I WANT to call this the 'Astartes' upgrade, so to speak, but I don't think I wanna, precisely, becoming a Space Marine sounds too much like a straight-up good thing, and this I think will be more of a trade-off.
The BIG thing with these changes is if our Talent is focused on say, our body we have potential for MASSIVELY BAD TIMES should our powers be Panacea-style where you can't just hit the 'undo' button for any changes or adjustments you make. Admittedly that might not be entirely a bad thing but...
The...Innertech has the same trade-offs-anything telepathic or mind-altering in our talent is going to do WEIRD things when it rams into the tech, I think, but here I'm more willing to upgrade, since we already have a varient of it going...
Personally? I'm gonna go ahead and bet that:
1.the physical tech thing is going to NEGATIVELY effect our powers. Biological issues seems like the sort of thing that from the perspective of narrative probably won't crop up (Probably), but I still can see it screwing with us learning powers, and thus our rate at which we pick up our powers. Thankfully? We're the thirteen year old, we've got some learning rate to spare, if we go down this route.
2. Innertech is going to be a mixed bag. If we have the 'Sanctuary mind' perk, it will help if we have telepathy of our own. But it can also conversely mean we're not going to like mental intrusions, even if they have good intentions behind them. On the flipside, you wanna TK a truck in half? You're going to want this.

I'm thinking my personal answers are
[x][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)
This shouldn't cause a major drop in it's potency, but will give us time to get a better idea of what precisely it does.
[x][innertech] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)
I'm voting for this sucker because while it DOES feel more like a straight upgrade I want to hear the 'sanctuary mind' guy's viewpoint, and we're frankly not gonna get it from someone who went down the other path like Ms. Nurse here. Soo that's my thoughts on the matter. Too big a decision to make without thinking on it. Maybe call Mom and Dad and pick their brains.
 
low-level sentience.

I think you mean sapient here. Sentient refers to having senses, not consciousness. It's a fairly common mistake.

[x][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)
[x][innertech] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)

There isn't any downside to gathering more information before we commit to these choices. Particularly shouldn't go for the irreversible body augments without more research.
 
Hrrm...I REALLY wish I had a clearer notion on the whole 'altered body' thing...But lesse-
You can ask questions and I'll answer them out here, and in-character in the next segment to maintain narrative consistency if they're things Amy would ask.

I think you mean sapient here. Sentient refers to having senses, not consciousness. It's a fairly common mistake.
No, I used sentience for the ability to have perceptions and be able to categorize and create concepts. The use and manipulation of senses [of the user] is standard for all innertech: see Amy's pop-up notification in the first chapter. Generalized perception is where low-level innertech fails, and where higher-level can succeed (to varying degrees).

Sapience is quite literally (by translation, even) having wisdom, which is a whole bunch of other things, including self-knowledge (knowing your own motivations/self, which is waaaay beyond self-awareness) and being able to act with insight (contextual comprehension of cause and effect) and understanding (handling some thing/situation using abstractions or generalizations created through experiences).


What portion of people take the innertech upgrade? How many of them report satisfaction with it?
"About sixty percent of an incoming class goes for it immediately. There's a number of reasons, such as not having innertech already and wanting it, having a system that may interfere with their talent, or just wanting to get the best they can.

"We ask again after a semester, and there's usually a good fifteen to thirty percent that accepts then after easing their worries and for the potential help with a problematic Talent.

"I've only Known of a handful of people ever wanting to either remove it or downgrade after getting it in the twelve years I've been working here, though I don't remember the specific reasons."

Does the innertech upgrade feel... invasive, you guess is the word? Are there any explicit or common complaints about it?
"It's... unnerving at first. Disquieting. Things don't work the same as they used to, and they aren't meshed perfectly well with your neurology yet. It takes anywhere from nine to twelve months for complete integration, which is at least ten times longer than any other innertech I've studied, but it's because of how the system studies and continually refines itself until it can't any more. It's usable without feeling unnatural within two weeks, at the longest, and things just become smoother and easier beyond that.

"The biggest complaint..." she laughed. "The biggest complaint was when the first version was introduced twenty-five years ago, the year before I came here, which was that it made things 'too easy'. People felt it was an unfair advantage between those who had it and those who didn't, especially in classes that had a practical component as part of the grade.

"Common complaints? Probably the adjustment period. People who are used to having their innertech work perfectly can get pretty frustrated when things don't work the way they should at first."

Would the augment package present any difficulties with getting other augmentations or upgrades? Does it cause problems with surgeries or other medical treatments? Are there any hints of a Version Two being in the works that you should wait two years for?
"Surgeries and any alterations to your body from a macro scale would be more difficult, if just because you'd be harder to get in to. Anything that works on a micro- or nano- scale and functions on already-present tissues should work fine if adjusted properly to compensate beforehand. Any that work while you're still developing, like this, would only be as effective as long as you were developing.

"There's been talk of a second, much-improved version for years. It's supposedly been going through clinical trials for the past two, but I haven't heard anything beyond that. Part of the reason for it was to be able to make the same changes to fully developed adults, instead of just late-teens who were exiting high school and wanted to get in on exploration. If it passed clinical trials, it could take anywhere between two and five years for it to become available. Since it would work on both developing and already-fully-developed tissues equally, you'd be able to move from one to the other without any problems, no matter how long you decided to wait to do so."
 
I guess...What would these augments do to Amy's figure? Like...
Would she end up stocky and shorter with the augments than without? Less...Ah...shapely? taller and thinner without need of large amounts of bulk?
 
[X][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)
[X][innertech] Heck no. You're perfectly happy with what you've got. It does what you want and it does it predictably. The thought of something potentially able to think for itself having access to you, literally who you are like that is just not okay—no matter how (not) advanced or intelligent it actually ends up being. Maybe other people are fine with it, but your mind is your sanctuary, and you'd like to keep it that way, thankyouverymuch.
 
"There's been talk of a second, much-improved version for years. It's supposedly been going through clinical trials for the past two, but I haven't heard anything beyond that. Part of the reason for it was to be able to make the same changes to fully developed adults, instead of just late-teens who were exiting high school and wanted to get in on exploration. If it passed clinical trials, it could take anywhere between two and five years for it to become available. Since it would work on both developing and already-fully-developed tissues equally, you'd be able to move from one to the other without any problems, no matter how long you decided to wait to do so."
So this is obviously where we, by the power of Protagonism, accidentally get the second revision. :p
Would she end up stocky and shorter with the augments than without? Less...Ah...shapely? taller and thinner without need of large amounts of bulk?
Probably if she stayed in normal gravity, but if she's going to be spending the next six or seven years in a high-grav environment, I'd expect little to no effect.

I think that those answers resolved my major concerns. I'll take both. And I have a sneaking feeling that we're going to need those control enhancements.

[x][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.

[x][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

TTS intensifies.
 
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Do we know what sort of thing this would feature? Is it various cooperative sports or focusing on one for competitive purposes?
Alright, so for free-form sports and/or those designed to pit various Talented against each other irregardless of their abilities, the physical augmentation would not disqualify you from playing or competing.

I guess...What would these augments do to Amy's figure? Like...
Would she end up stocky and shorter with the augments than without? Less...Ah...shapely? taller and thinner without need of large amounts of bulk?
"Your skeleton doesn't end up any different in outward appearance. Your muscles would be harder and more easily defined, but with us women our subcutaneous fat tends to smooth those things out pretty quickly. You'll weigh more, for sure, with the muscle density increase, and will need a larger amount of calories, protein, and calcium, but it shouldn't cause any abnormal changes. If you see anything like that, come tell me immediately."
 
So do we know anything about the Martial Arts class? Like what type of Martial Art it is?
 
[X][Hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.

[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

For the class choices, I want to pick Film/Holo as an elective, because I want us to be the one who does the nature documentaries on alien worlds. And maybe the xenological ones if we encounter friendly or at least neutral intelligent life.
 
[x][hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.

[x][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

With the new WoG saying it wouldn't disqualify us from (freeform) Talented sports, I no longer have any good reason to avoid the above. I didn't want to disqualify us from what may be one of the best ways to compete with other Talented.

Although...
It's mixed sports, switching out weekly, for example.
Would the new innertech prevent us from participating in this class? And if it wouldn't, is it likely we'd have enough of an assisted advantage so as to be resented by other students?
 
[X][hypotension] …Maybe later you'll want something like that, but for now you'll just stick to the clothes and exercise.

We should really wait before committing to such an extensive full-body modification. We still have at least a decade before it becomes too late for Amy to get the upgrade, so there's no need to rush headfirst into anything. What really kinda bugs me is the fact that taking the modification would essentially close off some options for us, and wouldn't open up any new options (that I can think of) until we reach adulthood. It would essentially isolate us from some of our peers (due to the effects on our bodies), and it would also prevent us from participating in any competitive sports. Don't get me wrong, I fully intend to do this in the future, but for now, I'm far more preferential to leaving all our options open (plus, something just seems weird to me about putting a thirteen year-old girl on what are, essentially, sci-fi steroids).

[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?

The innertech, on the other hand? I see no problem with getting this now, it wouldn't really limit our options, and it could have some really great benefits in the future.
 
So do we know anything about the Martial Arts class? Like what type of Martial Art it is?
They're spending enough money on other stuff that I'd be very surprised if they only offered one option. So probably many different schools to choose from, covering most of the general range. I don't know if we'd recognize any specific schools, given an apocalyptic war and major population bottleneck in the middle, but I'm sure we'll see at least one or two each of a combative, an armed and an unarmed combat sport, and a spiritual style.
We should really wait before committing to such an extensive full-body modification. We still have at least a decade before it becomes too late for Amy to get the upgrade, so there's no need to rush headfirst into anything.
It becomes steadily less and less effective as Amy grows. 20-21 is where it becomes outright useless. That's because it works by modifying growth and that's about the age at which you're done growing. I'll note, by the way, that growth also isn't uniformly distributed - Amy has a growth spurt coming up in about a year that'll constitute more than half of the effect of the augment.
It would essentially isolate us from some of our peers (due to the effects on our bodies),
IC information from the doctor says that there will be no externally-visible physical changes.
any competitive sports
Except the ones that permit arbitrary Talents and free-form Talent use, which are the only ones that matter for our purposes in the first place. Because:
Talented can participate in normal sports after undergoing verification that no aspect of their Talent isn't able to be leveraged in the sport.
Even a weak teleportation or telekinesis can be leveraged in any sport. Given the bit about "moving in a weird direction", I give it good odds that we're already banned from all competition.

Plus, uh, Amy has idiopathic hypotension. She can bulk up and maintain blood volume and wear compression stockings all she wants, but she's always going to be at a disadvantage, particularly on this planet. Participating in competition is already pretty much out.

I mean, unless you want to double up on personal fitness for her electives, but I think you just claimed that Amy would be ostracized for having visible muscle...?
(plus, something just seems weird to me about putting a thirteen year-old girl on what are, essentially, sci-fi steroids).
It's designed for thirteen-year-old girls, thirteen-year-old girls that expect to want to travel the universe when they're older and will need a way to handle going from 0.5g planets to 2g planets.
 
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Because we might have a minor in biology or tech for our power or something. Should check first.

Also this is... reminding me of BAHHSC quest in some ways. They feel like Valks but instead taking less points in Super-tech and putting them towards multi-form psionics.
Lady, she's thirteen. She's likely relying on doctor instructions and doesn't know enough about the condition to realize that would even be a problem, not without giving it some serious thought. So, yeah, she didn't think about it. That's arguably your job, where "your" refers to the school and/or recruiters. [/rant]
Also, so very much this. I know medics, especially for an isolated minority and primarily dealing with teenagers of said isolated minority, can have bad bedside manners, but wtf lady.
 
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[X][hypotension] Postpone decision to original meeting, until after you've had time to see everything else here. (2 days from now)

[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
[X][Hypotension] Option two. You've always thought about visiting more planets and seeing everything you could, and with this you can do that. You're not entirely comfortable with the idea of something changing you, shaping you that much, but it's a small price to pay for the freedom it'll give you.

[X][innertech] Heck yes. You've wanted to upgrade your stuff for at least a year, you just couldn't afford it, and now they're offering to just give you something like this? Besides, you've always been at least curious about AI, how systems grow and learn, and what better way to see that than up close and personal, watching it in action?
 
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