We'll keep it absolutely in mind for next Precinct 13 game.
Has anybody else in these parts actually played a Precinct 13 game?

Spoiler Alert: Supernaturals casually run circles around you.
They're running circles around you until something's getting cocky and screws up.
Suddenly everything gets really interesting when it all bottoms out and nobody has tenth a clue what's going on.
Then you take a day shift, die miserably, get in someone's pocket, accidentally hunter, or finish prologue of your mage campaign ;)
 
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We'll keep it absolutely in mind for next Precinct 13 game.
Has anybody else in these parts actually played a Precinct 13 game?

Spoiler Alert: Supernaturals casually run circles around you.
They're running circles around you until something's getting cocky and screws up.
Suddenly everything gets really interesting when it all bottoms out and nobody has tenth a clue what's going on.
Then you take a day shift, die miserably, get in someone's pocket, accidentally hunter, or finish prologue of your mage campaign ;)

I think there is room in a horror setting for action cop movie expies. Because, think about it, action cops lives horrific lives. They're constantly thrown into mortal danger. They can't find peace. Their families either leave them or die. People put bombs under their toilet seats. Every time you poop, you have to check. Because the one day you don't, is the day you go boom.
 
I think there is room in a horror setting for action cop movie expies. Because, think about it, action cops lives horrific lives. They're constantly thrown into mortal danger. They can't find peace. Their families either leave them or die. People put bombs under their toilet seats. Every time you poop, you have to check. Because the one day you don't, is the day you go boom.

Good news everyone! You're all being assigned to back up Detective Callahan.
Player one is Callahan's fresh new partner straight from the academy.
Player two is Callahan's grizzled-ex-partner back in our precinct for a few days.
Player three is patrol officer now running backup on Callahan's assignment.
Player four . . .
 
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Good news everyone! You're all being assigned to back up Detective Callahan.
Player one is Callahan's fresh new partner straight from the academy.
Player two is Callahan's grizzled-ex-partner back in our precinct for a few days.
Player three is patrol officer now running backup on Callahan's assignment.
Player four . . .
The james bond RPG is basically this, FWIH. You don't get to play bond. You play the supporting cast and you don't carry any assurances of surviving.
 
Good news everyone! You're all being assigned to back up Detective Callahan.
Player one is Callahan's fresh new partner straight from the academy.
Player two is Callahan's grizzled-ex-partner back in our precinct for a few days.
Player three is patrol officer now running backup on Callahan's assignment.
Player four . . .

Oh don't worry Player Four. Callahan's partners never last long. You'll get to be his partner pretty quickly for a short while before you end up crippled or dead.
 
Well, the Guardians of The Veil book is generally a really good book.

Seers of The Throne is really good as well.

And both those factions are ones which the Free Council hate. And the Free Council book was terrible. The Silver Ladder book was also good, and the Free Council hate them too.

Hmmmmmmmm. I think we've just confirmed that the Free Council are so terrible that they just hate good things.
 
And both those factions are ones which the Free Council hate. And the Free Council book was terrible. The Silver Ladder book was also good, and the Free Council hate them too.

Hmmmmmmmm. I think we've just confirmed that the Free Council are so terrible that they just hate good things.

Furthermore, we can see that Adamantine Arrow and Mysterium are both acceptable books and the Free Council don't hate the Adamantine Arrow or Mysterium, but merely find them acceptable.

Your hypothesis seems to be supported by evidence, yes.

Wait, do we get Arcane Experience for exploring this mystery?
 
And both those factions are ones which the Free Council hate. And the Free Council book was terrible. The Silver Ladder book was also good, and the Free Council hate them too.

Hmmmmmmmm. I think we've just confirmed that the Free Council are so terrible that they just hate good things.
I haven't read the book myself, but my personal idea of how the Free Council should work is that they're only barely a cohesive faction. I mean, there's a few guys who happily try to work with anyone else who identifies as a Free Council member, whether because of ideology, temperament, or just a creeping fear that the whole network will fall apart unless somebody keeps trying to hold it all together.

Most of them? They're just 'the weird guys' of their local areas: that one stuck-up Mastigos who's totally going to prove that Mind and Spirit are the same Arcana one of these days, a tiny cabal planning to build a private kingdom of fungus-people and volcano-powered wonderment underneath Yellowstone National Park*, a Thyrsus who runs a Proximi-heavy New Age commune out in Idaho and keeps trying to get Luna-sempai to notice them.

Going back to that 'creeping fear' bit, the main thing binding all these disparate groups into a (theoretically) greater whole is basically just self-preservation. When you're a Mage, being alone can go really bad really fast; there's a lot of nasty shit waiting out there to swallow up thaumaturges who live on their own, including their own hubris, and you can get more done in the face of the other Orders when you can claim to be a representative of the Free Council instead of just some random asshole who lives out of a derelict meat packing plant off the southbound freeway.

You don't pick the Free Council to represent being part of a venerable tradition, you pick the Free Council to represent your character being:

A) Somebody who can't quite see themselves fitting in with any of the other Order chapters in their area and thus latched onto the Council for protection and a way to get in contact with/cut deals with other Mages more easily.

B) A (probably misguided) iconoclast who's fed up with those other Orders and their hidebound foolishness, and will hopefully evolve their position into something more complex than "fuck you dad old people" someday, or at least find something else to base their lives around.

C) One of the scions of the "original" Free Council, that band of free thinkers and philosophers who told the Seers of the Throne to get fucked. They're the smallest faction left in the Order: the last heirs to a dying house, inheritors of philosophies and beliefs that have largely been ground down and disproven by the cold march of time, and they've either become willfully blind to that semi-obsolescence or founded/joined one of a handful of new movements evolving from the ashes of the Free Council's glory days - all while bearing the brunt of the Seers' occasional reprisals for their forebears' actions.


* If they don't get eaten by the Abyss first, of course - seriously, they're like idiot children who keep trying to microwave tin foil. No, Charlie, you can't "just wing it" if the rangers find one of your escaped 'Mold Men' - you have to actually think & plan before you start doing this kind of thing annnnd you've just walked off to go make your stupid mold monsters. Fuck's sake...
 
So it a book where you play a mortal law enforcement, great that is just great.

Does this mean that i "hunt" supernaaturals which get too cocky and are found by accident?

Well it can mean that, but it can also mean that you just attempt to maintain order and do your job and perhaps sometimes, shadows of the supernatural world shine through.

It can also mean that you get to play Se7en.

With magic.
 
What's the best Hunter Conspiracy or Compact or whatnot?

What's unquestionably the worst?

Not morally, but in terms of 'What it is/does' in a game.

I have a love affair with the Knights of Saint George.

I really like the idea of the Knights of Saint Adrian, but Ink is a pretty bad Endowment.

Anyways, I'm in the same school of thought as @EarthScorpion and believe that Hunter should have been a bunch of Blue Books.
 
What's the best Hunter Conspiracy or Compact or whatnot?

VASCU

psychic serial-killer-hunting fbi agents go go go go

Chieron is also awesome, because you're an expendable mook for an evil megacorp that wants you to track down supernatural creatures and capture or kill them so they can dissect them. And your bosses use you as a test subject and honestly don't give a shit about your life. Which makes it great for dark comedy and the horrors of corporate bureaucracy and trying to get your expenses report for silver bullets approved.

What's unquestionably the worst?

Hard question. Most Compacts tend to be forgettable rather than outright bad.

The Ashwood Abbey is pretty awful, though, because I can't imagine wanting to play a game with a willing Abbey member in the game. The only sympathetic member of the Abbey is someone who's basically like "Shit, I joined my Dad's secret society because it's just a thing you do, right, and now I found he was a serial-killing rapist hedonist and so are all his friends and they're going to kill me if I leave or tell anyone, but I also like having a Morality greater than 2, what do I do?".
 
VASCU

psychic serial-killer-hunting fbi agents go go go go

Chieron is also awesome, because you're an expendable mook for an evil megacorp that wants you to track down supernatural creatures and capture or kill them so they can dissect them. And your bosses use you as a test subject and honestly don't give a shit about your life. Which makes it great for dark comedy and the horrors of corporate bureaucracy and trying to get your expenses report for silver bullets approved.



Hard question. Most Compacts tend to be forgettable rather than outright bad.

The Ashwood Abbey is pretty awful, though, because I can't imagine wanting to play a game with a willing Abbey member in the game. The only sympathetic member of the Abbey is someone who's basically like "Shit, I joined my Dad's secret society because it's just a thing you do, right, and now I found he was a serial-killing rapist hedonist and so are all his friends and they're going to kill me if I leave or tell anyone, but I also like having a Morality greater than 2, what do I do?".

I mean, I sorta assumed they were supposed to be the villains? Like, you come across them and realize that their stupid bullshit has only made everyone more open to supernatural beings fucking everything up in revenge, and then you shoot them in the head for the greater good.
 
Oh right, he also asked for Compacts.

Fuck I love the Null Mysteriis then, scientists who attempt to make sense of the World of Darkness, attempting to unify the alien principles of the supernatural with accepted scientific thought. Utopia Now is pretty cool too, the concept of building a better world, one broken Daemon body at a time is one I find pretty cool.

Meanwhile, I find the Ashwood Abbey and Bear Lodge pretty laughable, but I must admit that I stopped being able to take Witch Finders seriously about the time it suggested I send hippies with baseball bats after witches.

"That'll teach ya to mess with mother earth!"
 
What's unquestionably the worst?
Segmented nature, 3 different near unrelated aspects, of Ascending Ones makes it unplayed conspiracy.
Tighter focus probably could have fixed it.

Anyways, I'm in the same school of thought as @EarthScorpion and believe that Hunter should have been a bunch of Blue Books.
Vigil is 100% my favorite in World of Darkness.
I find it superior to Reckoning in all ways!

. . . I also like having a Morality greater than 2, what do I do?".
Get a better Hunting Code you noob! :p

VASCU

psychic serial-killer-hunting fbi agents go go go go

Chieron is also awesome, because you're an expendable mook for an evil megacorp that wants you to track down supernatural creatures and capture or kill them so they can dissect them. And your bosses use you as a test subject and honestly don't give a shit about your life. Which makes it great for dark comedy and the horrors of corporate bureaucracy and trying to get your expenses report for silver bullets approved.
I'm going to agree with EarthScorpion here.
VASCU is distillation of the old Project Twilight FBI make 100% better.
Chieron Group is playing best of Shadowrun megacorp but in World of Darkness.
 
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Get a better Hunting Code you noob! :p

I am exceptionally unsympathetic to Hunting Code abuse. Like, massively so.

It is meant for hard-bitten lone vampire hunters who have decided that vampires aren't people, so all their alterations are along the veins of adding "unless they're a vampire" to sins. Use of those rules for "tee hee, I'm an Ashford Abbey serial killing rapist but my Morality is two or higher because I decided such things aren't sins" is stupid. No, you're just a Morality 0-1 monster and you don't get to escape rolling for derangements that way.
 
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