[x] Plan Three-gun

By the way, did we ever get that bidirectional enbloc? This thing is going to be used by sleep deprived, freezing, starving, and possibly stupid people who are getting shot at and wearing big thick gloves. Enblocs getting shoved in the gun the wrong way with a lot of force is a given.
 
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[x] Plan Three-gun

By the way, did we ever get that bidirectional enbloc? This thing is going to be used by sleep deprived, freezing, starving, and possibly stupid people who are getting shot at and wearing big thick gloves. Enblocs getting shoved in the gun the wrong way with a lot of force is a given.
it's way too late in the competition for a bidirectional system to develop.

Instead you has:

Which worked enough for Austria Hungary, and will work fine for you.
 
maybe it'll it possible to idiot-proof the directionality of the clip with, say, a dot of paint or an engraving on the top; the clip above has something similar with a corrugation on it...
 
[X] Plan Three-gun
-[x] Request 150 final production designs from Arbatescu, Holl, and Topani
-[x] Proceed to limited field testing.
 
[X] Plan Three-gun
-[x] Request 150 final production designs from Arbatescu, Holl, and Topani
-[x] Proceed to limited field testing.

but also

[ ] Ensure the manufactured enbloc clips are idiot-proofed in terms of directionality.
 
maybe it'll it possible to idiot-proof the directionality of the clip with, say, a dot of paint or an engraving on the top; the clip above has something similar with a corrugation on it...

You've got any ideas on how? Remember, this is something that people are gonna be using while wearing large gloves, in the night, while its sundering out. Idiotproofing something against those conditions without interfering with effectiveness will be... interesting.
 
You've got any ideas on how? Remember, this is something that people are gonna be using while wearing large gloves, in the night, while its sundering out. Idiotproofing something against those conditions without interfering with effectiveness will be... interesting.
I had a thought, but then I realized I was thinking more along the lines of your standard pistol magazine... (having a stopper/bottom plate on one end that cannot fit inside the well, forcing you to turn it the right way)


The bit I'm talking about is the black plate at the bottom.
 
Why are people wanting to keep Topani's rifle work in the competition? It's his packet loader we want him to perfect. Ditch his rifle, tell him to make the best damn en bloc clip he can, and he'll make a mint off the royalties of that, while Arbesctu perfects the rifle.

[X] Get Real
-[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
-[X] Remove Topani rifle from competition.
-[X] Topani to focus entirely on perfecting his packet loader to match the Arbesctu
-[X] Request three hundred final production design units from Arbesctu, matched to the finalised Topani packet loader
-[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
 
I'm good for the Arbatescu, although I'd like to note that forcing stripper clips on it was a bad thing, price wise. Gun used to be about 30 Kreutzer cheaper iirc.
It was 20 cheaper, yeah. Still pretty cheap.

Why are people wanting to keep Topani's rifle work in the competition? It's his packet loader we want him to perfect. Ditch his rifle, tell him to make the best damn en bloc clip he can, and he'll make a mint off the royalties of that, while Arbesctu perfects the rifle.
Since we're committed to Topani's reload system, it makes sense to keep his design in the running as a fallback, in case it won't partner properly with the Arbatescu for some reason. (Note that it's already displaying issues)

Of course, Topani's rifle is displaying new issues as well, which is presumably why Holl's is still here. :V

With that said, if the Arbatescu properly integrates a packet loader without losing much reliability, then that should definitely be the final choice.
 
I'm kinda sad we've got four or five updates to go before the automatic pistol selection. Rifles are nice and all, but trolling around Forgotten Weapons and soliciting bad ideas to put together a concept list is pretty fun too.

Bonus points if anyone can figure out which gun designs are fictional versus what designs were contemporary!
 
[X] Get Real
-[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
-[X] Remove Topani rifle from competition.
-[X] Topani to focus entirely on perfecting his packet loader to match the Arbesctu
-[X] Request three hundred final production design units from Arbesctu, matched to the finalised Topani packet loader
-[X] Proceed to limited field testing.

With the specification of adding a stopper to the packet loader.
 
I'm good for the Arbatescu, although I'd like to note that forcing stripper clips on it was a bad thing, price wise. Gun used to be about 30 Kreutzer cheaper iirc.
Value wise, however, the clips are a huge gain over single loading.
With the specification of adding a stopper to the packet loader.
Having it obviously keyed in some fashion so it can't be jammed in wrong would be part of perfecting it, yes.
 
You've got any ideas on how? Remember, this is something that people are gonna be using while wearing large gloves, in the night, while its sundering out. Idiotproofing something against those conditions without interfering with effectiveness will be... interesting.

Value wise, however, the clips are a huge gain over single loading.

Having it obviously keyed in some fashion so it can't be jammed in wrong would be part of perfecting it, yes.
This is likely what we have, or close to it:
Notice how the bullets are loaded at an angle? That means it isn't going in upside down.
Note the angles:

You still aren't necessarily getting it in the first try, but you're not jamming it in backwards either.
 
[X] Plan Testing
-[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
-[X] Request fifteen final production designs from Arbesctu and Topani
-[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Derpmind on Feb 20, 2018 at 9:25 AM, finished with 35 posts and 18 votes.

  • [x] Plan Three-gun
    -[x] Request 150 final production designs from Arbatescu, Holl, and Topani
    -[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
    [X] Plan Testing
    -[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
    -[X] Request two hundred final production design units from Arbesctu and Topani
    -[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
    [X] Plan Testing
    -[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
    -[X] Request fifteen final production designs from Arbesctu and Topani
    -[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
    [X] Get Real
    -[X] Remove Holl rifle from competition.
    -[X] Remove Topani rifle from competition.
    -[X] Topani to focus entirely on perfecting his packet loader to match the Arbesctu
    -[X] Request three hundred final production design units from Arbesctu, matched to the finalised Topani packet loader
    -[X] Proceed to limited field testing.
    [X] Plan Heavier Testing
    -[X]Remove Holl rifle from competition
    -[X]Request 150 final production designs from Arbatescu and Topani
    -[X]Proceed to limited field testing
    [X] Get Real
 
[x] Plan Three-gun
-[x] Request 150 final production designs from Arbatescu, Holl, and Topani
-[x] Proceed to limited field testing.
 
Repeating Rifle Commision Stage Five
With 150 guns of each design given to a company of conscripts each, plus a company using the existing rifle, a test battalion was hastily assembled and set out into the field to test conditions across the empire, particularly in likely conflict zones. Those poor bastards mostly survived the year (outside the usual losses to malaria, exposure, and shoddy pitons.) So with only twenty dead, the reports are in.

Company Anton received one hundred Holl rifles (the remainder being held as spares,) and lived with them from basic training until the end of the year. They like the build quality, the sights weren't a problem, and the only rifle they managed to break beyond repair took a thousand foot drop with the assigned conscript. Unlike the examples in testing, parts replacement could quickly become time consuming due to the need to occasionally hand fit multiple parts at the same time. Outside that it was handy in most conditions, and only ever a problem to shoot prone, which led to somewhat of a lower average score for marksmanship during the trials. Of course one dumbass managed to break his hand while cycling the action but this might have been deliberate, given that it was the man's left hand. The final survey of the troops was positive, with very little feedback on what could be done to make it better.

Company Berta was equipped with the Topani rifle. One of the major problems with it was not so much loss as it was how stiff the actions were, with more than a few having been broken from being kicked open. Fortunately, the bolts were easily replaced between guns, but were as stiff as the original. Otherwise, the rifles held up to abuse, but were found to be a bit fiddly in the cold compared to the Holl and Arbatescu designs. Needless to say Company Berta performed the worst in the alpine segment, and in the western forests because the design didn't seal as well as the Holl while being more fiddly than the Arbatescu. Needless to say, it was not popular in the final survey, with more feedback on improvements than anything else.

The Arbatescu was very well received by Company Cäsar. It had few problems, although the action got a bit stiff in cold weather due to the lubricants issued. Otherwise, the weapon was easy to safe, easy to clean, and thanks to the simple bolt design easy to keep clean. All in mountaineering mittens. Needless to say the troops loved it, and most failures were from drops breaking stocks and other user error. Company Cäsar continually outperformed Anton, Berta and Dora in testing, receiving higher marks in prone accuracy, cleaning times, and operational readiness. Maintenance was occasionally an issue, with single piece bolt bodies and the flat springs in the magazine that hold the packet in place proving to be the largest problem, since individual components cannot be sized for easier replacement or less hand fitting. The main complaint about the Arbatescu was the lack of a better sealed action compared to the Holl, otherwise survey results were extremely good.

One year of expensive trials later, the high command is quite ready to just adopt something already so we can get to issuing please god. Naturally now comes the time to down-select to one rifle to adopt.
 
[X] Arbatescu

Whelp, we've seen, we've come, we've conquered. Time to get ready for autopistols.
 
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