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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Amberion said:
So there's the question: how many people rewrote the Geth in that mission?

*raises hand*

Like Legion said, the choice is to rewrite them, or kill them all. Which is interesting because in ME1, Shepard killed a LOT of Geth, and since the (morally repugnant?) option to rewrite them was never present, we had no problem killing them in droves. Suddenly, because we have the option to 'make them like us', they become more 'real', less computer game cardboard cutouts and more like actual people. It certainly made me think a little bit about the ethics of killing, even people who are trying to kill you. Sometimes when playing video games we become so used to the casual violence that the reality of what we are doing in these games doesn't quite register until you have the option to do something else.
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Geth upload themselves onto a server when a platform (the things you were fighting) becomes inoperable.

So we are really killing any of them.
 
Meh, I destroyed them with no regrets.

Mass murder? Sure, in a sense, but that is what Shepard signed up for when he/she became a Spectre - doing filthy work to ensure galactic stability is maintained. Hell, that is what Shepard signed up for with the military in the first place - carrying out violence in the defense of the state. The heretics were an ongoing threat, who killed thousands of people over the course of the war, and eliminating them was always a goal. Whether you do that by deleting the programs or obliterating their minds doesn't matter from that perspective.

It's not something to be glorified, it's a terrible thing. But it's the natural consequence of the situation.


How many people regret killing Batarian slavers, even though they are just like us? Despite the fact that, if freed from the Hegemony, they could have been raised as perfectly palatable members of society?




You know, I really hated ME3, and to a lesser degree ME2, for what it did with the whole Geth-Quarian thing.

Geth are an interesting form of life - can a single Geth program even be called sentient? Their reliance on interconnection was the best thing about them, and ME3 just threw that right out.
 
Van Ropen said:
You know, I really hated ME3, and to a lesser degree ME2, for what it did with the whole Geth-Quarian thing.

Geth are an interesting form of life - can a single Geth program even be called sentient? Their reliance on interconnection was the best thing about them, and ME3 just threw that right out.
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Well, in a way it solved their manpower issue. By having each Geth program as 'full' AI, then you could have a thousand Geth platforms running from what would have originally been operating a single one.

But yeah, ME3 kinda threw it out, but at the same time it was kind of/sort of implied that was what the Geth wanted. To evolve into something that was their own choice.

The reason why Legion rebelled against the Reapers was that he realised that 'the form of Geth' that the Reapers offered was 'the form of Geth that the Reapers saw fit'.

Basically Legion wanted the Geth as a whole to have the ability to choose what they became.

The Geth do have the whole 'intelligent life must self-determinate' shick after all.
 
But the Geth wanted to all come together into a single entity - they were stronger together than apart, so they were building their massive superstructure to all be together. The core essence of themselves was the same.

After the Reaper "upgrade" ...I don't even know. Are they still even Geth? You've removed everything that defined them, and are left with a race of EDIs without her extensive education.
 
Uxion said:
Geth upload themselves onto a server when a platform (the things you were fighting) becomes inoperable.

So we are really killing any of them.
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Except when we unknowingly destroy server hubs(I cannot remember actually destroying any Geth server hubs in ME1, but according to the dialog with Legion in that mission, we did destroy some), they house millions of geth, far more than can be transferred to mobile platforms. And unless they have these big honking transmission facilities, or ships(like that ship on Feros we caused to crash! That's a server hub!) it's unlikely that they escaped.
 
Tabron89 said:
Fixed. It sounded bad without the fix, it could have meant either way...
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Yeah, thanks, it was a typo and I was tured as hell.
Amberion said:
Except when we unknowingly destroy server hubs(I cannot remember actually destroying any Geth server hubs in ME1, but according to the dialog with Legion in that mission, we did destroy some), they house millions of geth, far more than can be transferred to mobile platforms. And unless they have these big honking transmission facilities, or ships(like that ship on Feros we caused to crash! That's a server hub!) it's unlikely that they escaped.
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Maybe things became a bit more cramped? The efficiency of the Geth probably decreased due to the reduction of processing power or something.

Kinda like how you can run many programs on different machines, byt the most adbanced computer can run and finish the programe faster.
 
Uxion said:
Yeah, thanks, it was a typo and I was tured as hell.

Maybe things became a bit more cramped? The efficiency of the Geth probably decreased due to the reduction of processing power or something.

Kinda like how you can run many programs on different machines, byt the most adbanced computer can run and finish the programe faster.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. You trying to suggest that they crammed millions of geth into a single geth platform when their ship went down, on Feros? Even on our computers today, there's a limit to the number of programs you can run before the computer crashes. You're hitting memory limits, processor limits, and disk space limits. Face it, every time we destroyed a server hub, we were destroying millions of geth programs.
 
Amberion said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You trying to suggest that they crammed millions of geth into a single geth platform when their ship went down, on Feros? Even on our computers today, there's a limit to the number of programs you can run before the computer crashes. You're hitting memory limits, processor limits, and disk space limits. Face it, every time we destroyed a server hub, we were destroying millions of geth programs.
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I don't know, it was just speculation on my part.

I still think that they moved out or something, out of range of actually being an impact on the battle.

But then again, individual Geth probably have the same weight as individual ants in a colony: negligible.
 
Uxion said:
I don't know, it was just speculation on my part.

I still think that they moved out or something, out of range of actually being an impact on the battle.

But then again, individual Geth probably have the same weight as individual ants in a colony: negligible.
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But the other ants don't all become measurably dumber each time one of their number dies. Geth do.
 
a tad offtopic, but what in universe feason did the geth have to discontinue the geth hoppers?
 
Van Ropen said:
In-universe reason? You really think Bioware put effort into that, when the hoppers were removed because they were too lazy to plan for the non-standard movement?
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To be fair they at least came up with in-universe explanations for a lot more than they didn't, even if a lot of those explanations were rather lackluster.
 
You know I could see us getting offered Spectre status like in canon for a variety of reasons, while not an N7 we're still combat capable (and could receive training to remedy that), we're super smart (something immensely desirable in an investigator) and best of all from the Council's POV it keeps us out of the lab and brings us under their influence.

Whether such an offer should be accepted if it comes is another matter, but freedom from red tape and laws is quite an incentive to a researcher. We just stick our personal lab in a frigate so we can take it with us.
 
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Madfish said:
You know I could see us getting offered Spectre status like in canon for a variety of reasons, while not an N7 we're still combat capable (and could receive training to remedy that), we're super smart (something immensely desirable in an investigator) and best of all from the Council's POV it keeps us out of the lab and brings us under their influence.
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By that time we should have personal ship with a lab inside.


Offering Revy a Spectre status also equals making Paragon unbound to laws, since it is solely Revy's.
 
Nah, the Systems Alliance would never dream of putting Revy in the Spectre spot. By the time the offer comes around Revy is going to be more valuable to humanity than any number of human Spectres.
She's the greatest human mind ever, possibly the greatest mind in the galaxy ever. You'll not find anyone wanting to risk her safety when she can keep making miraculous leaps in science and technology.
 
Madfish said:
You know I could see us getting offered Spectre status like in canon for a variety of reasons, while not an N7 we're still combat capable (and could receive training to remedy that), we're super smart (something immensely desirable in an investigator) and best of all from the Council's POV it keeps us out of the lab and brings us under their influence.

Whether such an offer should be accepted if it comes is another matter, but freedom from red tape and laws is quite an incentive to a researcher. We just stick our personal lab in a frigate so we can take it with us.
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XenonPrime said:
Nah, the Systems Alliance would never dream of putting Revy in the Spectre spot. By the time the offer comes around Revy is going to be more valuable to humanity than any number of human Spectres.
She's the greatest human mind ever, possibly the greatest mind in the galaxy ever. You'll not find anyone wanting to risk her safety when she can keep making miraculous leaps in science and technology.
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Not only her safety, spectreship would also place her under the authority of the council. No way is the alliance doing that.
 
XenonPrime said:
Nah, the Systems Alliance would never dream of putting Revy in the Spectre spot. By the time the offer comes around Revy is going to be more valuable to humanity than any number of human Spectres.
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I was more thinking the Councils offer of a Spectre if one came would be conditional on it being her in a take it or leave it sort of way.

Also does the offer have to go through the government? It's basically a really high profile job offer.

Might piss off the SA a bit but they're the ones begging for a human Spectre...
 
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